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Quote:I'm not sure we could ever tell for real if a machine is self-aware. It might be lying./Ira
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Quote:But as Rick pointed out, no amount of code can make a machine self-aware. However, that doesn't mean a machine can't be self-aware in principle, it just requires more than just a computer. Self-awareness, like so many other phenomena, is almost certainly something emergent, requiring not only vast amounts of information-processing ability, but a high sensitivity to the external environment and the ability to dynamically model that environment, and one's own interaction with it, in real time. A robot can potentially do that, but it's certainly not there yet.Could we tell if we were confronted by a self-aware machine? I think we could be easily fooled either way, but again, I think it's possible.
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Quote:Gorillas and chimpanzees show some signs of self-awareness. Not sure about orangatans. I also don't know if we really have the capability to test for it in dolphins.
Quote:Perhaps "They" will be wearing spacesuits filled with water instead of some exotic atmosphere!/Ira
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Quote:Why "They" are not here yet??3 words:The Prime Directive
Quote:Maybe, but neural networks are slow compared to modern cpu.
Quote:Well, 'just 20 watts', yes but each watt earned for the brain will cost you an expensive time spent looking for food. We need 2400 kcal of food already. Try to go in survival mode in the wild and see if you can actually gather 2400 kcal of food/day on a regular basis and how much time and energy you must deduct. Some of my acquaintances tried and said that after a while, they were starving, and the only thing they could think about was food. Of course, forget a vegetarian diet, well, i guess a vegetarian diet would fill a 2400kcal bill IF you were looking for food all day long, but what's the point to feed a brain if you don't have any time to use it? same for very slow to digest raw meat (there are some adepts of this diet). Our brain is definitively designed with meat and fire in mind.I got the number from there:http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/JacquelineLing.shtml
Quote: Of course, if there's plenty of food available, what good is civilization anyway? Agriculture was a good invention for predictable shortages, but the rest of history has been the tale of how we've dealt with the unforeseen consequences of that invention.
Quote:Skilled hunter-gatherers never had to spend all that much time searching for food. They had plenty of leisure. Sometimes, unfortunately, there was simply no food to be had. Hunter-gatherer lifestyles aren't good at storing food for lean times.Of course, if there's plenty of food available, what good is civilization anyway? Agriculture was a good invention for predictable shortages, but the rest of history has been the tale of how we've dealt with the unforeseen consequences of that invention.
Quote:Finally a definitive answer will be forthcoming:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/30/1205662/-Former-lawmakers-to-hear-te...who better than former lawmakers to decide this important issue