jayscheuerle
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It may work the other way, John. Prices might go up if more people ditch visual for video.
Personally, I can't see letting go of the technology-free, quiet nights under dark skies where nothing but glass and mirrors move the light and long-traveled photons meet their final resting spot in the back of my eyes. - j
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John Fitzgerald
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I am going to wait a while before I purchase any more eyepieces, and see what the market does.
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semiosteve
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I haven't really thought of using the Mallincam for planetary or lunar work. It is just too amazing to pull out such detail on DSO's.
Maybe if Saturn and Jupiter were up to tempt me it would be different. It would not matter however, our skies do not clear again for about 4 months here!
Steve
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Bowmoreman
Clear enough skies
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Loc: Bolton, MA
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Some are saying (on another forum) that the Mallincam and other similar devices will make eyepieces spiral downward in price as they become "obsolete". Any opinions here?
My $.02?
Not a chance... Visual to Eyeball is just that. Totally VISCERAL... as great as Mallincam (and presumably Stellacam as well) are, it still isn't the "real thing"
I'm reminded of the delta between ultra-high-end audio playback and going to a symphony... two different, and perhaps equally enjoyable, experiences...
Clear skies
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Visual:DM6, XT10i w/ZambutoMirror,RTP
EP: 31T5, Ethos (21,17,13&8),10XW,5XW,3.5XW; Paracorr T1
MallincamColorHyper+,QSI583WS,QHY8
SBIG STV eFinder
Denk II: (2x24Pan,2x10XW)
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Bob S.
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Steve, The MallinCam is not a very good planetary camera. It is better for the Moon but there are other cheaper cameras out there that do a MUCH better job on lunar/planetary targets IMHO.
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jayscheuerle
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Yep. Planetary's all about lotsa frames, picking the best and stacking! (none of which the Mallincam does)
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rolandlinda3
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I tend to agree. The sensitivity of the chip can get overwhelmed with a bright planet, and it is hard to compensate for the oversaturation. It can be done, but it is real touchy. There are several people, however, that have mastered it--including a few that use the mallincam for solor prominence observation...and do very nicely.
Live video may not be the "real" thing to everybody", but when eyes weaken and backs get tired...AND I want to see details of a DSO in contrast to a smudge...there is no arguing the live monitor results showing MallinCAM output. When I survey what I could get with a weeny 5 inch SCT and a larger 12.5" Dob....and sketch each object, I continue to be amazed. If someone reads this and doubts, have a look at the rolandlinda3 gallery in Members Galleries and note the sketches done with MallinCAM output on either telescope I have mentioned. I love panning with an EP, but to study an object in detail--LIVE and IN COLOR--what a great tool!!That is also why we published a little article in the Reflector (last issue). For people with sky glow issues or lots of moisture/haze or physical limitations or desire to study object detail, astro video is one outstanding solution.
Roland Beard
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Bill Cowles
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Reged: 04/16/06
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Loc: Utah
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Very nice sketches. I think you prove what many are saying about the Mallincam, that it's more amazing what the smaller scopes show and not what the 20" plus scopes show.
Is you Dob on a platform?
Bill
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mistyridge
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I have a question for you Mallincam owners. Will a Mallincam hypercolor show more on DSOs with a 5" refractor than a 18" Dob used with the human eye and standard EP? This would be under typical suburban SQM 19.5 skies.
-------------------- Mike F
Misty Ridge Observatory
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Many scopes 70mm to 12.5", SCTs, refractors, and newts and a lot of other astro stuff.
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smokin oakum
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From what I understand, YES! In dark skies, maybe no. It's all about the way you like to see detail. I'm waiting on a invoice to be e-mailed to me, and my check will be in the mail tomorrow for one of these bad boys...
I'm a believer!!!
Clear skies, or at least close  Neil
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mistyridge
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Thanks Neil, maybe I will have to buy one and do a comparo to satisfy my curiosity.
-------------------- Mike F
Misty Ridge Observatory
Skyshed POD
Many scopes 70mm to 12.5", SCTs, refractors, and newts and a lot of other astro stuff.
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smokin oakum
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I wish I could be so free with my money, but I can only make a purchase like this every few years. I can tell you one thing that has stood strong in reading comments from those who have seen this thing in action. Either they now own one, or are saving up to get one.
Go for it!
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Sparkcast
C11 CGE / Hyperstar
MallinCam Hyper Plus Color
Orion 12" XTi f/4.9
MoonLite Focuser
Round Table Platform
12" Parralax rings
Cape Fear Astronomy Club
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David Pavlich
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Loc: Mandeville, LA USA
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Some are saying (on another forum) that the Mallincam and other similar devices will make eyepieces spiral downward in price as they become "obsolete". Any opinions here?
Well, professional astronomers have all but abandoned the eyepiece. They don't use a Mallincam, but they don't use eyepieces either. Something to think about. 
David
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Mike Harvey
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Reged: 03/01/04
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Loc: Orlando, FL.
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Very nice sketches. I think you prove what many are saying about the Mallincam, that it's more amazing what the smaller scopes show and not what the 20" plus scopes show.
Well......that could be because there are more users with "under 20-inch" scopes! 
Last weekend at CAV, with the 28" StarStructure and Mallincam, we saw the galaxy behind the Helix Nebula (shining through it) AND some of the "streamers" inside the rings! I can't tell you how many times I've heard fellow observers say "well, aperture is STILL everything...even with the Mallincam!".
Mike
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rolandlinda3
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Bill....yes the Dob is on a platform. With any video camera that is using integration periods, you have to be tracking and and reasonably polar aligned if you have a Dob. My 12.5 Dob is on a Tom O. compact platform. Tom, by the way, recently purchased a MallinCAM HC as a result of what several of us were telling him. He is using it on a MONSTER scope. You can ask him, but I think he has permanently changed his approach to observing because of it.
Mike....Jack estimates that you can see the equivalent of two and half times your aperture if it is a decent night, your scope is tracking well, and the settings are correct. For my own experience, if you look at my gallery and notice one of my earlier sketches of M42 with a 5 inch SCT. As near as I can tell, I am seeing what a 12 inch scope sees...with the addition of balanced color. I have done this on terrible nights when the moon was high. To me, giving you an exact figure of how much it improves your aperture would be misleading, because the entrance of color as well as the detail adds another dimension to my studying an object. I will say this, however: I have abandoned my pursuit of a large aperture scope in favor of a smaller scope that is portable...but rigged with the MCHC and a monitor (you do need a power tank or two).
At nearly 60, I will not exhaust my study of sky objects with this type of observing tool before the Lord takes me home. Furthermore, I have a 102ED on order...specifically so I can see a bit wider field of view and go to very out-there places and show people detail on objects that would have previously never been seen by them. In those locations, you cannot take big scope. Big scopes don't travel well where I am going.
Last observation...I have a few friends with Naglers that bought MallinCAMs just recently. Don't get me wrong: these EPs are wonderful. But the Naglers my friends (with astro video cameras) have are gathering more dust than use. These decisions are not made out of whim; they are made because the results on the monitor with the video astro tool/telescope combo speak for themselves.
ONE CAUTION: video astro tools are electronic devices and the technology is still in the "teething" stage--in my opinion. The perfecting of the soft Peltier cooler integrated in the MalllinCAM Hyper Color, for instance, was recent (less than two years I think). Other changes that are just as significant have occurred during the same time period. For my wife (who loves these tools) and me, this means that we expect the video astro camera to have a finite life--it has a chip that is sensitive while we are wringing this little baby out in widely varying thermal conditions. We use it thoroughly. I might say that it is a tough design. Nevertheless, because things are still changinig pretty fast, I estimate we will change the video astro camera or get it upgraded at least every five years. You may be shocked at this estimate and the associated expense and you should make an estimate for yourself. However, we use it 50 times per year and at least 1-2 hours at each setting. 1/2 of those settings include friends and the public. You can do the math. For us...it is the cheapest way to see the most the best with a given scope--Live and In Color!!
Roland
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Doug Culbertson
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Well, professional astronomers have all but abandoned the eyepiece. They don't use a Mallincam, but they don't use eyepieces either. Something to think about. 
David
No offense, but I am not sure that that is a good argument, as I honestly don't think that most professional astronomers even know the sky all that well.
As an example, I was once at a star party when a published professional astronomer walked up to my telescope and asked what I was looking at. When I showed her the Leo Trio, she replied that it was gorgeous in the eyepiece. She went on to tell me that she had done her dissertation on one of the galaxies in that group, but she had never actually seen the galaxy itself. She had only analyzed the computer data!
-------------------- Doug
Midway, FL
14.5" f/4.3 Starmaster/Zambuto w/goto
Orion XT10i w/Ed Stevens Primary
Orion EON 120/CG-5GT
31mm Nagler,13mm Ethos,Leica ASPH Zoom
Antares 1.6x Barlow/50mm Extension
Supercharged WO Binoviewer w/24mm and 12.5mm Ultimas
Mallincam Xtreme
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George Methvin
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Reged: 01/30/06
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Loc: Central Texas
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Funny but has anyone noticed that sence this post and others about the Mallicam got started theres has been a lot of people trying to sell there asto cameras and cdd gear. Its just seems that way to me LOL
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smokin oakum
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Posts: 1529
Loc: Wilmington, NC
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Well they better get in line. Rock is putting them together as fast as he can, but the demand IS exceeding the supply. I am currently 14th on the waiting list and that should put one in my hands in middle to late January, unless I get lucky.
I can't wait!!!
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C11 CGE / Hyperstar
MallinCam Hyper Plus Color
Orion 12" XTi f/4.9
MoonLite Focuser
Round Table Platform
12" Parralax rings
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Doug Culbertson
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Funny but has anyone noticed that sence this post and others about the Mallicam got started theres has been a lot of people trying to sell there asto cameras and cdd gear. Its just seems that way to me LOL
You know, I have noticed that too. While ccd does end up providing what, IMO, is a better image overall, the Mallincam gives you detail and color on any object in around 28 seconds, and with no processing required. I don't know of any ccd camera that can do that!
-------------------- Doug
Midway, FL
14.5" f/4.3 Starmaster/Zambuto w/goto
Orion XT10i w/Ed Stevens Primary
Orion EON 120/CG-5GT
31mm Nagler,13mm Ethos,Leica ASPH Zoom
Antares 1.6x Barlow/50mm Extension
Supercharged WO Binoviewer w/24mm and 12.5mm Ultimas
Mallincam Xtreme
1 Thermacell®
"Yeah, well that's just, like, your opinion, man" - Jeffrey "The Dude" Lebowski
Life's too short to drink cheap beer - Me
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George Methvin
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Posts: 1083
Loc: Central Texas
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Me and a freind will orders our this coming spring or summer. I think in the next 10 years you may see the end of eyepeices they may just become paperweights. In 10 years when you buy a scope it will come with a video chip built into where eyepeices used to go and there will be a small LCD screen to view what you are looking at. Really much better then a eyepeice and you see so much more and deeper. Video will only get better and cheaper so why have 30 eyepeices when all you will need is one video chip so all can enjoy the views. Just a thought.
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