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Astraforce Paul
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Manfrotto 3130/3011N for PST, ST80? Other Bogen?
      #1009440 - 06/21/06 08:50 AM

In another thread, I saw some great comments by Mike about the Manfrotto 3130/3011N combo. I've been looking for something more stable for my PST than a low-end Velbon camera tripod w/ Orion slo-mo controls. I might also put a short tube 80mm on the Manfrotto (well, not often as I have another small scope I prefer for astro work). Had a few questions.

1) With my current set up, I get lots of shakes when focusing the PST. How is the PST on the 3130/3011N in that regard?

2) How about ease of motion? I like the slo-mo controls on my current set-up as they make it easy to center the sun or recenter it, but they do induce shakes. How easy/hard is it to reposition the Sun with the 3130?

3) Are you able to point high up in the sky with the 3130/3011N?

4) Oh, I see where Eagle Optics sells the 3011BN/3130 combo for $173. Is that a good price? (I wonder what the dif is between 3011N and 3011BN?)

Are there other Bogen head/tripod combos (or tripod/heads from other companies) that I should be considering at that price?

Some folks consider 3-way pan heads essential.

In the old days, people often recommended the Bogen 3126 head, stating that a non quick release attachment was sturdier and had fewer shakes. Others preferred the 410. I've seen some good and bad reports about the Paragon Plus and the PST. Someone else recommended the Slik 700DX as having smoother motions than the 3030, 3047, and 3410. The number of choices and opinions are a tad overwhelming! But then what did I expect? Ask 10 amateurs a question and get 25 different opinions!


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EdZ
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Re: Manfrotto 3130/3011N for PST, ST80? Other Bogen? new [Re: Astraforce Paul]
      #1009542 - 06/21/06 10:25 AM

many of these are discussed already and the recommendations are here

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Comments about the 3130 head

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Trev
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Re: Manfrotto 3130/3011N for PST, ST80? Other Bogen? new [Re: EdZ]
      #1009601 - 06/21/06 11:06 AM

I have my PST mounted on a 055 Pro with a 028RC head and have found it works very well.

Trev

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Modified C6R-ASGT (Frankencannon)
Modified 102 SLT (Frank Jr.)
UnModified 102 SLT (Solarboy)
SVNHNG Deluxe w/ BV & SLT Mount
Antares 105 f/15 w/CG-5 and Argo Navis
PST w/Manfrotto 055Pro & 128RC Head
6" f/5 Newt on SkyView Pro Mount
10x50, 15x70 Binos
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JackProton
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Re: Manfrotto 3130/3011N for PST, ST80? Other Bogen? new [Re: Astraforce Paul]
      #1009983 - 06/21/06 03:21 PM

I've been doing photography for a while and am still a beginner in astrophotography but I have a few observations you might find useful.

I use a Bogen 3011 tripod with a MIN-EQ for widefield astrophotography and also used it for my C90. The 3011 tripod is very, VERY stable.

I use the 3011 tripod with a heavy duty 3049 head that can support 16 lbs. The 3049 doesn't allow for very precise control and a scope must be mounted backwards in order to point it up (not a big issue). The 3049 head is very, very solid and stable though.

I tried this setup with the Orion slow-motion adapter but the Orion adapter is much too light-weight and added a whole host of vibration problems. I'm trying out a Celestron heavy duty altazimuth for the C90 right now -- Adorama is offering them for about $80 at the moment. So far, it looks pretty good but there's a little more play than I would like in the altitude/tilt and no tilt lock.


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HughBoy
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Re: Manfrotto 3130/3011N for PST, ST80? Other Bog new [Re: EdZ]
      #1010138 - 06/21/06 05:26 PM

Quote:

many of these are discussed already and the recommendations are here




EdZ - you are my hero!

You just saved us all a *lot* of (re)typing. Yes - this issue has been posted on at great length, but to cut to the chase, I believe the consensus for Bogen/Manfrotto slo-mo alt-az setups (for PST, ST80, Nighthawk, ED80-weight scopes) is the 410 geared head and a 3001 (or similar class) tripod.
Cheap? No.
Good? Yes.

If you go non-Bogen, there are a plethora of alt-az setups (Microstar, Unistar, WO, etc., etc.), all of which seem to garner good reviews (can't say authoritatively - I personally use a Bogen...).

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- Coronado PST ("Goldeneye")
- WO ZS66 SD APO ("The Pocket Rocket")
- Celestron C80ED APO ("The Sleek Black Beauty")
- Celestron C8 SB-XLT ("The Pony Keg")
-- WO binoviewers
-- Imaging: Canon DSLR, Nikon Coolpix 4500 w/Scopetronix EP, Meade LPI
> ASGT, NexStar GT/BaaderBracket, SVP, EQ-1, Bogen 3001D/410 geared-head
(and too many old POS scopes to mention...)


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Astraforce Paul
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Best tripod/head for PST at $150 or at $100? new [Re: HughBoy]
      #1027992 - 07/03/06 08:09 PM

Hey, folks, thanks for the help and the incredible set of links (I had only seen some of them). Good insights on the stability of the 3011, the lack of precision of the 3049, and the vibration probs with the Orion slo-mo adapter.

Trev, what's the "055 Pro with a 028RC head"? Which company?

I really like the cut-to-the-chase summary recommendation for the 410-- not cheap, but good.

OK, but if that were too much money-- nearly $300 with say the 3011 tripod--OUCH!-- what's the 2nd best solution?

How about solutions for the PST at the $150 and $100 price points?

Maybe it's the EQ-1 used side-saddle... What do you think? But it weighs in at 12 pounds with the counter-weight, not exactly ideal for a quick look mount.


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HughBoy
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Re: Best tripod/head for PST at $150 or at $100? new [Re: Astraforce Paul]
      #1030564 - 07/05/06 03:13 PM

For less-expensive alternatives:

> If you use a EQ-1 in 90 deg mode (am assuming that's what you mean by "side-saddle") you may well not need the counterweight, since the PST's pretty light.

> I kinda like the idea of the Celestron heavy duty altazimuth mentioned above. It's not optimal for a longer, heavier tube, but the short/light PST might be a good match. If there's a good return policy you can give it a try-out. And it's quite inexpensive!

Good luck.

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Hughboy

- Coronado PST ("Goldeneye")
- WO ZS66 SD APO ("The Pocket Rocket")
- Celestron C80ED APO ("The Sleek Black Beauty")
- Celestron C8 SB-XLT ("The Pony Keg")
-- WO binoviewers
-- Imaging: Canon DSLR, Nikon Coolpix 4500 w/Scopetronix EP, Meade LPI
> ASGT, NexStar GT/BaaderBracket, SVP, EQ-1, Bogen 3001D/410 geared-head
(and too many old POS scopes to mention...)


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Trev
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Re: Best tripod/head for PST at $150 or at $100? new [Re: HughBoy]
      #1031095 - 07/05/06 09:26 PM

Hey Paul,
The 055 Pro and 028RC are made by Manfrotto which I've been told is the same as Bogen.

Trev

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Modified C6R-ASGT (Frankencannon)
Modified 102 SLT (Frank Jr.)
UnModified 102 SLT (Solarboy)
SVNHNG Deluxe w/ BV & SLT Mount
Antares 105 f/15 w/CG-5 and Argo Navis
PST w/Manfrotto 055Pro & 128RC Head
6" f/5 Newt on SkyView Pro Mount
10x50, 15x70 Binos
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HughBoy
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Re: Best tripod/head for PST at $150 or at $100? new [Re: Trev]
      #1031737 - 07/06/06 10:22 AM

I believe they're the Manfrotto international part/model numbers (used everywhere but in the US).
Bogen is the US distributor for Manfrotto gear and uses different part numbers (at least in some cases).

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Hughboy

- Coronado PST ("Goldeneye")
- WO ZS66 SD APO ("The Pocket Rocket")
- Celestron C80ED APO ("The Sleek Black Beauty")
- Celestron C8 SB-XLT ("The Pony Keg")
-- WO binoviewers
-- Imaging: Canon DSLR, Nikon Coolpix 4500 w/Scopetronix EP, Meade LPI
> ASGT, NexStar GT/BaaderBracket, SVP, EQ-1, Bogen 3001D/410 geared-head
(and too many old POS scopes to mention...)


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Astraforce Paul
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Re: Best tripod/head for PST at $150 or at $100? new [Re: HughBoy]
      #2604265 - 08/26/08 08:51 AM

A follow up on this thread... I ended up getting the Slik Pro 700 DX.

See my evaluation at

PST tripod thread

It's the last post in thread (well, as of today, August 26, 2008!)


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Re: Manfrotto 3130/3011N for PST, ST80? Other Bogen? new [Re: EdZ]
      #2607707 - 08/27/08 04:20 PM

I have a Manfrotto 028B (or Bogen, replaces the 3246) tripod and a Manfrotto 410 head (or Bogen, renamed from 3275). I use these for everything from my 8x56 Ultima binoculars to my ZenithStar 80 ED scope. The tripod is very stable, and the head makes it easy to move small increments without losing objects at moderately high magnifications. I am very happy with this setup.

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Takahashi FSQ-106EDX f/5
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Vixen ARK 16x80
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Re: Manfrotto 3130/3011N for PST, ST80? Other Bogen? new [Re: robjohn]
      #2608853 - 08/28/08 02:45 AM

I found my old Velbon tripod with its pan/tilt head pretty stable with the PST. BUT, if I locked up the pan/tilt nice and tightly, and then fitted the Malta mount (without its legs) to the Velbon that was even better - nice and smooth 'push-to', easy to nudge to keep the sun in the fov.

I sometimes use this arrangement with my Ranger as well. For longer sessions, it goes on my LXD75, but for a quick look, the Velbon/Malta is fine.

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