Chris Schroeder
Postmaster
Reged: 12/11/04
Posts: 8515
Loc: N.E. WI Sky Glow
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12/27-12/31 overcast 1/1/07 -6°C 76%RH clear 1800-15.76, 2000-15.20 & 2130-15.02 nearly full moon rising
-------------------- Chris
Mallincam Color Hyper Plus
10" DSH with SC DSC, CPC 800 XLT
AT 111EDT, AT 102Achro, ZS80FD 10th Anniv, AT 72ED, ZS66SD, PST
CG5-AGT, EZ-Touch, Voyager
POD XL3
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Starman1
Vendor (EyepiecesEtc.com)
Reged: 06/24/03
Posts: 17639
Loc: Los Angeles
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Having observed many places and having measured sky brightness under many different skies, I'd like to propose that it is not dark enough to do any Deep-Sky observing if the sky is brighter than about magnitude 19.5 per square arc-second. Yes, you can see stars if the sky is brighter than that, so double star and variable star work can be done, but the diminishment of the views of deep-sky objects reduces the size of the scope tremendously. I don't know how you all feel, but if my 12.5" can't even outperform a good 70mm refractor at a dark site (when the 12.5" is being used under a brighter sky, that is),I don't really see any point to doing it except as a limiting magnitude exercise. Viewing really doesn't get good until about magnitude 20.5, and is a lot more fun after magnitude 21.0. Each half magnitude darker at this point has profound effects where the quality of the image is concerned. And the quality of views really improves around 21.5. At that point, the limitation on the scope's performance is the aperture, coatings, and clarity of the air. I regularly measure magnitude 17.5 at my home in LA and that is a sort of "permanent twilight". To those of you measuring even brighter skies, I humbly express my condolences.
-------------------- Don Pensack
www.EyepiecesEtc.com
12.5" Teeter/Zambuto, 5" Maksutov
Sustaining Lifetime IDA member
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Den Mama
Reged: 05/14/05
Posts: 76331
Loc: montana
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12/28/06 - 1/1/07 Complete overcast, moon almost full.
Carol
-------------------- Carol
AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF
Masayumas 7.5,15,25W,35
Pentax XW5,10; XL7
TV22Pan
ES30
Paradigm 8,12,18
DreamCatcher Dobservatory
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mistyridge
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 10/28/05
Posts: 2896
Loc: Loomis, CA
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12/29-01/01/07-moon light and thin overcast.
-------------------- Mike F
Misty Ridge Observatory
Skyshed POD
Many scopes 70mm to 12.5", SCTs, refractors, and newts and a lot of other astro stuff.
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Chris Schroeder
Postmaster
Reged: 12/11/04
Posts: 8515
Loc: N.E. WI Sky Glow
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1/2/07 1950 0°C 53%RH Clear 15.80
-------------------- Chris
Mallincam Color Hyper Plus
10" DSH with SC DSC, CPC 800 XLT
AT 111EDT, AT 102Achro, ZS80FD 10th Anniv, AT 72ED, ZS66SD, PST
CG5-AGT, EZ-Touch, Voyager
POD XL3
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UpNorthLibrarian
sage
Reged: 04/18/05
Posts: 424
Loc: 36.02N / 78.9 W (no longer: 4...
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1/2/07 -- 44.3 N / 84.4 W ... 2345 local --- 32 degrees (f) ---full moon --- SQM 14.50 - 15.10
Shadows from the moonlight. But no clouds!!
-------------------- 'True observation begins when one is devoid of set patterns'
Li Jun Fan
203mm DBA Certified Dob
AT-80mm Refractor w/Vixen Icarus D Alt/Az Mount
10x30 Canon IS Binos
9x60 Obies
8x42 Obies
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Chris Schroeder
Postmaster
Reged: 12/11/04
Posts: 8515
Loc: N.E. WI Sky Glow
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1/3/07 2010 4.3°C 47% few clouds 16.24 full moon at 40°
-------------------- Chris
Mallincam Color Hyper Plus
10" DSH with SC DSC, CPC 800 XLT
AT 111EDT, AT 102Achro, ZS80FD 10th Anniv, AT 72ED, ZS66SD, PST
CG5-AGT, EZ-Touch, Voyager
POD XL3
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csa/montana
Den Mama
Reged: 05/14/05
Posts: 76331
Loc: montana
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1/03/07 20:30; 39°F; NE Helena 10%clouds moon, full, 17.30
-------------------- Carol
AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF
Masayumas 7.5,15,25W,35
Pentax XW5,10; XL7
TV22Pan
ES30
Paradigm 8,12,18
DreamCatcher Dobservatory
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mapofthedead
super member
Reged: 06/01/06
Posts: 155
Loc: Cambs, UK
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05/01/07 - 2045 - Wisbech, UK - Clear, Waning gibbous Moon low in East - 5.4°C - 17.85
-------------------- You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him discover it in himself.
-- Galileo Galilei
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mistyridge
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 10/28/05
Posts: 2896
Loc: Loomis, CA
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1/5/07-1915-Loomis CA-clear,glow of moon just before rise -36*F-19.21
-------------------- Mike F
Misty Ridge Observatory
Skyshed POD
Many scopes 70mm to 12.5", SCTs, refractors, and newts and a lot of other astro stuff.
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Den Mama
Reged: 05/14/05
Posts: 76331
Loc: montana
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1/04/05 -total overcast -wanning gibbous 1/05/05-total overcast-wanning gibbous
-------------------- Carol
AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF
Masayumas 7.5,15,25W,35
Pentax XW5,10; XL7
TV22Pan
ES30
Paradigm 8,12,18
DreamCatcher Dobservatory
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mapofthedead
super member
Reged: 06/01/06
Posts: 155
Loc: Cambs, UK
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06/01/07 - 1830 - Wisbech, UK - Clear - 6.4°C - 18.3
-------------------- You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him discover it in himself.
-- Galileo Galilei
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Den Mama
Reged: 05/14/05
Posts: 76331
Loc: montana
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1/06/07 -19:30- 18°F - NE Helena- Clear/moon below horizon - 21.17
-------------------- Carol
AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF
Masayumas 7.5,15,25W,35
Pentax XW5,10; XL7
TV22Pan
ES30
Paradigm 8,12,18
DreamCatcher Dobservatory
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snorkler
Aperture Aficionado
Reged: 10/11/04
Posts: 10041
Loc: Bay Area, California
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1/06/07 -19:50- 43°F - 40 mi NE San Francisco- Semi-cloudy/moon below horizon - 17.55
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I'm not the lowest of the low, but I am the slowest of the slow. '06 Scion xB. 49.6 mpg avg over 38,000 miles. 177% of '08 EPA
Best flat drive 94.5 mpg for 10.1 mi
Longest tank 1033 km (642 mi) on 10.56 gal = 60.8 mpg
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mistyridge
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 10/28/05
Posts: 2896
Loc: Loomis, CA
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1/6/07-19:30-40*F-Loomis CA-20%thin high cirrus-19.32
-------------------- Mike F
Misty Ridge Observatory
Skyshed POD
Many scopes 70mm to 12.5", SCTs, refractors, and newts and a lot of other astro stuff.
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Chris Schroeder
Postmaster
Reged: 12/11/04
Posts: 8515
Loc: N.E. WI Sky Glow
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1/4-5/07 Overcast 1/6/07 2115 -4.1°C 53% wanning gibbous moon 15° 18.36
-------------------- Chris
Mallincam Color Hyper Plus
10" DSH with SC DSC, CPC 800 XLT
AT 111EDT, AT 102Achro, ZS80FD 10th Anniv, AT 72ED, ZS66SD, PST
CG5-AGT, EZ-Touch, Voyager
POD XL3
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Chris Schroeder
Postmaster
Reged: 12/11/04
Posts: 8515
Loc: N.E. WI Sky Glow
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1/7/07 overcast 1810 2.5°C 74% 16.13 Just for comparison
-------------------- Chris
Mallincam Color Hyper Plus
10" DSH with SC DSC, CPC 800 XLT
AT 111EDT, AT 102Achro, ZS80FD 10th Anniv, AT 72ED, ZS66SD, PST
CG5-AGT, EZ-Touch, Voyager
POD XL3
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Chris Schroeder
Postmaster
Reged: 12/11/04
Posts: 8515
Loc: N.E. WI Sky Glow
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1/8/07 1815 -5.2°C 66%RH 18.52 overcast 1/3 to the west
-------------------- Chris
Mallincam Color Hyper Plus
10" DSH with SC DSC, CPC 800 XLT
AT 111EDT, AT 102Achro, ZS80FD 10th Anniv, AT 72ED, ZS66SD, PST
CG5-AGT, EZ-Touch, Voyager
POD XL3
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mistyridge
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 10/28/05
Posts: 2896
Loc: Loomis, CA
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I/7/07 2010-35*F clear 19.41
-------------------- Mike F
Misty Ridge Observatory
Skyshed POD
Many scopes 70mm to 12.5", SCTs, refractors, and newts and a lot of other astro stuff.
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csa/montana
Den Mama
Reged: 05/14/05
Posts: 76331
Loc: montana
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1/07/07 - 1/08/07 Total overcast
-------------------- Carol
AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF
Masayumas 7.5,15,25W,35
Pentax XW5,10; XL7
TV22Pan
ES30
Paradigm 8,12,18
DreamCatcher Dobservatory
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