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Starliner telescopes
      #13845 - 10/11/03 07:43 PM

A classified listing in our local newspaper offers a "6-inch refractor" made by Starliner for sale. I understand that Starliner went away a couple of decades ago, and as far as I can tell only offered reflectors. The owner doesn't know very much about it, or about telescopes in general, but claims that it's a good deal for $300; scope, finder, mount, and all.

Anyone know about Starliner refractors?


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Don W
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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: ]
      #13909 - 10/12/03 09:24 AM

Never heard of Starliner refractors. They made reflectors. Can you get a picture of it? Have you seen it in person?

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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: ]
      #13943 - 10/12/03 01:15 PM

The question is, does the owner know the difference between a refractor and a reflector? If he doesn't know much about telescopes, he probably has a reflector. The price also supports this.

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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: Stelios]
      #13948 - 10/12/03 02:25 PM

They made BIG observatory cats too way back then, collectors items now and getting parts for em......

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Bob Pasken
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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: ]
      #14009 - 10/12/03 07:30 PM

Starliner was the only real competition to Cave Telescopes, in the 1960' and 1970's. Owning a Cave or Starliner was equivalent to owning an AP or Tak today. The Syracuse Astronomical Society owns a 16" Cave that even today is fantasic instrument. The fit, finish and quality of the optics put equal aperature Dobs to shame.

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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: Bob Pasken]
      #172127 - 08/16/04 09:18 AM

starliner was based in arizona, I made all of their aluminum castings in the late 60s and early 70s. The owner/designer was a crook!!!. I was constantly in a battle to be paid for work, had to lien his tooling. The guy professed to be a christian and tried to use his jesus-speak as a way to find other church-goers who would give him money.
He also tried to get another foundry to reproduce his patterns so he could get castings made.. he was unaware that the foundry business was a close community and that foundry contacted me.
He had so many patterns that it took a large truck to bring them to our shop, but it only took a few weeks for me to burn them in my woodstove during the winter in 1980.
Starliner... good riddens. I'd rather think the world was flat then deal with con-artists like them.


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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: ]
      #172228 - 08/16/04 11:44 AM

Wow !! I never knew that. I guess buying one used today does not do the original owner any good though. I almost bought a 12.5" about a year ago but ended up going in another direction. I have never seen one up close but from what I understand they were pretty good.

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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: SteveH]
      #231737 - 10/26/04 02:24 AM Attachment (157 downloads)

Steve,
I bought a 10" f/5 Starliner reflector back in 1969.
They only made reflecting scopes, including Cassegrains.
Think I paid $680 for it. By todays standards it would be
fair to poor quality. It didn't perform well at all. Think
the optics were figured to 1/8 or 1/10 wave. The mount was
massive, but sloppy. After a couple of years I dumped it.

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TimberRock
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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: Vince Tramazzo]
      #2885830 - 01/24/09 07:59 PM

It had been a long time since this discussion had any input, but I would like to add something for the record. We built a nice small observatory and had a Star Liner 14" cassegrain put in by the owner. He installed it and serviced it for a number of years and it worked perfectly. In fact it is still working well and it was installed in 1972. We are located in Texas and the owner flew out to do the work and was a very nice person who knew and loved telescopes. I do not know anything about any foundries, but we never found him to be underhanded or unreliable in his claims or workmanship. I'm not sure why anonymous seemed to have so much trouble and it would sure be nice if some evidence supporting the bad mouthing would be given.

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CHASLX200
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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: TimberRock]
      #2885951 - 01/24/09 09:23 PM

I had Charles from Starliner make me a 10" F/8.3 OTA back in 1993. I think my scope was one of the last scopes he made since he closed the doors around 1995.

Chas


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The Planetman
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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: CHASLX200]
      #2886030 - 01/24/09 10:13 PM

Chas,
Is this the scope that you sold to Pete R. in Arkansas?

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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: The Planetman]
      #2886408 - 01/25/09 07:45 AM

Yes i sold it to Pete around 1995 or 96.

Chas


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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: CHASLX200]
      #2886741 - 01/25/09 11:06 AM Attachment (54 downloads)

I bought that scope from Pete a few years ago. It was a great performer, just a bit too long though. Got tired of observing on a ladder most of the time. It did look good on the Meade RG mount! As far as I know, it's in Atlanta now. I sold it about four years ago.

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Ross Workman
Frontier Observatory
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3716'41.7", -8741'36.2"

18" f5.5 Frontier Dob with a Galaxy (Wilkinson) primary
Meade 12.5" f/4.8 Starfinder
Meade Model 1066 10" f/6 Research Series Newtonian







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Eric P
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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: TimberRock]
      #2886832 - 01/25/09 11:41 AM

Quote:

It had been a long time since this discussion had any input, but I would like to add something for the record. We built a nice small observatory and had a Star Liner 14" cassegrain put in by the owner.




Hi Timber, I'm assuming the 14" was an f12? Did you ever use it in Newtonian mode and if so how was it optically?


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CHASLX200
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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: The Planetman]
      #2886864 - 01/25/09 11:53 AM

Quote:

I bought that scope from Pete a few years ago. It was a great performer, just a bit too long though. Got tired of observing on a ladder most of the time. It did look good on the Meade RG mount! As far as I know, it's in Atlanta now. I sold it about four years ago.




I would like to have my old 10" F/8.3 OTA back. Looks the same in the photo as when i had it minus the Telrad.

Wished i could find a eyep shelf for my Meade RG mount like the one shown in the pic.

Chas


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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: CHASLX200]
      #2887070 - 01/25/09 01:17 PM

Bought a 14 Starliner Newt/ Cass at an estate sale in boxes (fortunately very cheap)and swapped it to Tom Dobbins for another scope. As it turns out every aspect of that scope was garbage! Optics were 1 wave at best/ fiberglass tube was way too thin to hold collimation, moumt arms were too thin, upper bearing on mount base too thin to support the scope etc, etc. Tom spent a year remanufacturing it and sold the OTA, I ended up with the now modified and now usable fork mount after the mods but have no need for it. Anyway the point is NEVER buy any Starliner stuff. (There may be an OK German equatorial mount out there).

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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: charles genovese]
      #2887148 - 01/25/09 02:05 PM

I had a 12.5" StarLiner I bought new back in the 70's. It was packed so poorly for shipping (air freight) that the crate fell apart in transit and damaged the scope. He just put nails into the plywood crate, edge on, with out any banding to hold it all together. It came apart from just lifting it. The spider was a piece of junk with a heavy brass center and veins that were not soldered in opposite one another, causing more diffraction than need be. The mirror mount was poorly designed and added greatly to the cooling time. The optics were very mediocor. When I removed the mirror from the mirror mount, hidden under one of the the mirror clips, was a big chip missing out of the edge of the mirror. He also tried slipping in cheaper Huygens eyepieces instead of the Orthoscopic eyepieces the brochure described. The mount was also sloppily machined as others have mentioned. I eventually replaced the mirror with one from Telescopics and sold the scope a year or so later.

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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: pstarr]
      #2887342 - 01/25/09 04:05 PM

Guess some of you guys got lemons. My 10" F/8.3 OTA was well built and had great optics. The 2" Shaft Starliner mount was also pretty good, seemed about par for the corse as with most other EQ mounts made in them days.

Chas


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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: CHASLX200]
      #2887896 - 01/25/09 08:46 PM Attachment (54 downloads)

I recently acquired a 16" F/4.25 Starliner on a GEM. After testing the primary mirror and finding it about 1/2 wave, I sent it off to Mike Lockwood for refiguring before having it recoated. Mike did a wonderful job and now with the help of a TV paracorr, it provides excellent views. There are still lots a little tweaks to be done on both the OTA and mount but I think it will end up being a good scope.

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Cave 12.5" f/6 Deluxe Transportable
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Re: Starliner telescopes new [Re: sglamb]
      #2887923 - 01/25/09 08:54 PM

Cool scope, nice mount!! Rich

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