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edwincjones
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Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new
      #1439287 - 02/21/07 08:06 PM

It is about time to see which magazine arrives first.

I am holding my breath to see who wins my "most time devoted to" award.

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: edwincjones]
      #1440617 - 02/22/07 01:15 PM

I was thinking I am about due for another S&T, but one did not come today

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: LivingNDixie]
      #1440852 - 02/22/07 03:28 PM

Oh, no, not yet! I just now finished the March issue...!

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: desertstars]
      #1441395 - 02/22/07 08:01 PM

Astronomy won in NW AR

I briefly paged through and looks like a decent issue

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: edwincjones]
      #1441738 - 02/22/07 11:18 PM

Yep, mine arrived in no. CA today. Astro beats S&T for the 2nd straight month.

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: PeterC2]
      #1442076 - 02/23/07 07:14 AM

This presents a problem with my thinking-I have always considered S&T a little better (for me), but with the duplication of the two magazines the first one is the most read; then S&T has changed ownership and some of their staff are going to Astronomy.

I recently considered S&T offer of 3 years for cost of 2, but decided to wait and see what happens. Astronomy seems to be improving, S&T ?

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: edwincjones]
      #1442149 - 02/23/07 08:38 AM

April "Astronomy" arrived on Monday here in Dublin. "Sky and Telescope" is usually about a week later. March edition of "Ciel et Espace", a French astronomy magazine, arrived yesterday.

Looks like it will be cloudy here for the occultation of the Pleiades later this evening. I really need to move to somewhere with a better chance of clear skies

Enjoy the weekend folks.

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: edwincjones]
      #1444887 - 02/24/07 02:39 PM

Quote:

It is about time to see which magazine arrives first.

I am holding my breath to see who wins my "most time devoted to" award.

edj




I would rather have a competition to see which magazine has the fewest foulups in editing and the best content from authors who really know what they are talking about. I could care less which one gets to my doorstep first, especially when the publication date is far in advance of the date of arrival. I would much rather have a magazine which gets things right than one that gets here first. Over the years, there have been times when I have been less than impressed with what I see in Astronomy. Clear skies to you.

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: David Knisely]
      #1445159 - 02/24/07 05:47 PM

If I look at content

there is the stuff that is duplicated in both magazines-clearly the first read is the most important

of the nonduplicated stuff that I am not interested, Astronomy leads

of the nonduplicated stuff that I am interested, this is sadly limited in both magazines

I wonder when/if the two magazines will merge into one

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: edwincjones]
      #1445801 - 02/24/07 11:30 PM

Astronomy's editorial content and quality has improved significantly since Dave Eicher took over in 2002. He has really brought an editorial viewpoint that, I think, is a little more in touch with the amateur community. Their circulation numbers appear to strongly support this as well.

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: bicparker]
      #1448347 - 02/26/07 11:33 AM

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...I think, is a little more in touch with the amateur community.




As though the amateur community were a homogenous whole.

In S&T's defense, they may have found themselves dealing with a "split personality" by having so much entry-level content relegated to Night Sky. Thus, S&T became more of an elitist publication while Astronomy sought to cover all the bases. It will be interesting to see if and how S&T changes with the demise of Night Sky.

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: Scott Regener]
      #1448604 - 02/26/07 01:47 PM

Scott,

You are right in saying we aren't homogeneous, nor monolithic. But we do share several demographic characteristics as a group that help define a magazine's readership appeal. Some would include our overall education level (both formal and informal) and that we probably have a wide range of interests (S&T's Reader Demographics on their web page has some interesting stats). That latter aspect always presents challenge for an interest specific magazine such as S&T and Astronomy.

I have heard both David Eicher and Rick Fienberg talk about this at Texas Star Party over the years. One of the biggest concerns that both of them have is the overall greying of the folks in our community (and I am certainly square in that group). I believe that was one of the motivations for S&T starting Night Sky.

My comments were not critiques, but just observations. I don't honestly think for one minute that S&T is out of touch with the community. I just think that, right now at least, Astronomy is a bit more in touch, by comparison. The margin perceive isn't huge and that could easily change in the next year.

This is a pendulum that has been swinging for decades now. I think Astronomy has probably seen much more variety (both good and not so good) in its editorial presentation (compared to S&T) over the years mostly because they have had more changes in their editors and staff.

S&T, by comparison, had a long run with Leif Robinson as editor-in-chief (20 of his 38 years there). The turnover to Rick was a planned crossover that gave more of a smooth transition to changes.

I also think that their respective editorial approaches are influenced by the locations of their offices (S&T is in Cambridge, MA and Astronomy is in Waukesha, WI). I know when I worked as an editor for a magazine several years ago, this was a significant influencing factor.

These are both good magazines competing for a niche audience. One thing we always should remember, though. The readership they are vying for is much, much larger than the regular audience here on CN or the folks you meet at star parties. They couldn't survive just on our readership alone. For 2005, Astronomy's audited paid circulation was ~129,000 and S&T's was ~90,000. That's over 10 times the number of registered members here at CN (using Astronomy's numbers). So the presentation of these magazines will be oriented to a much broader audience than us and will certainly not reflect all of our tastes (going back to your comment that we aren't a homogeneous group).

David M.

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: Scott Regener]
      #1450049 - 02/27/07 02:49 AM

Quote:

Quote:

...I think, is a little more in touch with the amateur community.




As though the amateur community were a homogenous whole.

In S&T's defense, they may have found themselves dealing with a "split personality" by having so much entry-level content relegated to Night Sky. Thus, S&T became more of an elitist publication while Astronomy sought to cover all the bases. It will be interesting to see if and how S&T changes with the demise of Night Sky.




I can't at all agree that S&T has become elitist at all. It tends to cover the bases, sometimes in a somewhat more rigorous manner than Astronomy. Astronomy just never quite clicked with me, as they kept making silly little mistakes that seemed to irritate me (terminology errors, editing errors, etc). It has gotten better (fewer speculative "sci-fi" style presentations), but still has a ways to go as far as the strength and content of some of their articles is concerned. Clear skies to you.

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: David Knisely]
      #1453693 - 02/28/07 08:13 PM

S&T arrived today-6 days later than Astronomy

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: edwincjones]
      #1456450 - 03/02/07 06:53 AM

Not only did Astronomy beat S&T with arrivial time, Astronomy's content may also be better this month.
The great comet images in the back are great,howeever.

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: edwincjones]
      #1456906 - 03/02/07 11:38 AM

Still waiting for my copy of S&T - it's a bit later than usual.

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: David Knisely]
      #1467705 - 03/07/07 10:36 AM

I totally agree with you.
Quote:

Quote:

It is about time to see which magazine arrives first.

I am holding my breath to see who wins my "most time devoted to" award.

edj




I would rather have a competition to see which magazine has the fewest foulups in editing and the best content from authors who really know what they are talking about. I could care less which one gets to my doorstep first, especially when the publication date is far in advance of the date of arrival. I would much rather have a magazine which gets things right than one that gets here first. Over the years, there have been times when I have been less than impressed with what I see in Astronomy. Clear skies to you.




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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race new [Re: edwincjones]
      #1469511 - 03/08/07 09:09 AM

Quote:

Not only did Astronomy beat S&T with arrivial time, Astronomy's content may also be better this month.
The great comet images in the back are great,howeever.

edj




Hmmm, I must lead a busier life than I thought, arrival of which mag beats the other, seems to not be on my priority list.

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Re: Monthy Astronomy vs S&T race [Re: csa/montana]
      #1472103 - 03/09/07 04:21 PM

I agree that arrival time doesn't factor in on my purchasing decisions. Today I finally picked up that last issue of "Night Sky" and it just reinforced my feelings of regret that it's gone. I appreciated the "Go To Survival Guide" very much. I have an LXD75 and it works well, but I'm far from comfortable with the electronic gadgetry that appears to be taking over the hobby. I did find useful info in this article which the Meade manual doesn't offer. The April issue of Astronomy features the Orion 100 ED review which some have criticized. True, it does at times, read like an Orion promotion; but I don't think it's overhyping the scope from what many observers report. I am interested in getting either one of these or the new Meade 127 Triplet, if the latter ever appears and proves a good scope. Finally, the April issue of S & T proves again that it's still the gold standard with its Dark Matter article. It made that murky subject a little more understandable for me. We are fortunate to have such great publications for our hobby, just wish Night Sky would still be a part of it.

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