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BobinKy
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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: BobinKy]
      #1788451 - 08/20/07 09:29 AM

I have completed the field tests of compact roof binoculars. It is interesting, but this is the 100th post to this thread. A nice round number to end with.

Here is my final ranking, a summary of the various field tests reported in this thread:
    Leupold Katmai 6x32
    Minox HG 8x33 BR
    Pentax 8x32 DCF ED
    Nikon Premier 8x20
    Leica Ultravid 8x20
    Swarovski 8x20B
And now, it is time for me to pack up the binoculars and return the three 20s to my friend the engineer and the Minox and Pentax to Eagle Optics.

Oh, and which model am I keeping for my compact--the Leupold Katmai 6x32, of course!


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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: BobinKy]
      #1788473 - 08/20/07 09:42 AM

Looks like a great choice since others like them too.

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Pentax PF-80ED,Meade 102ED APO,Orion EON 72,120ST
Apex 127,C6 XLT,CR150,C9.25,XT10 ,Celestron Regal 100 F-ED, CT152
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12x36 IS II , Pentax 8x32 ED
Garrett Optical 28x110 HD-WP Signature Series
Oberwerk BT-80 45, Apogee RA-88-SA
Denk II Power x Switch binoviewer w/13mm Ethos, 20mm Pentax XW's, 20mm Widescan III's.
21mm Ethos,17mm Ethos, 22mm Nagler, 40mm Pentax XW, 14mm Pentax XL, 5.2mm Pentax XL, 8-24mm Pentax XL Zoom, 31mm Axiom LX
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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: Joe Ogiba]
      #1788781 - 08/20/07 12:53 PM

Bob ( in K )

I would like to thank you for providing what was one of the most interesting threads I've ever had the pleasure of following on any internet web site .

Although far from the most technical of comparitive reviews , you touched upon the most important aspects specific to hand - held binoculars , and then some , with a very interesting , unique method of categorisation and day to day summarisations which kept the reader ( well this reader at any rate ) captivated and hardly able to wait for the next installment .

From the outset of your project , I'd suggested that 32mm binoculars may well prove to be more desirable than true compacts , and that a larger exit pupil , wider true field of view and of course , adequate eye relief , are more important features than sheer compactness , and I'm personally delighted that you have found a model which clearly satisfies all those requirements .

Finally , I look forward to further field reports in either this or the Cloudy Days forum .

Thanks again , Bob , for a most memorable series of posts.

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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: BobinKy]
      #1788997 - 08/20/07 02:25 PM

Congratulations on reaching a decision, Bob.
Having eagerly read through all your tests, which you superbly reported, I would probably have picked the Minox. But of course each person has his own priorities among such a list of test protocolls.

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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? [Re: BobinKy]
      #1789022 - 08/20/07 02:38 PM

Hi Bob,

Thanks again for your comparison reports!

The Leupold Katmai 6x32 sounds like a great grab and go binocular.

The problem I have with most of 32mm binoculars is that they are heavy enough and bulky enough that I may as well use a 42mm model.
The last few years many of the 42mm birding binoculars have been on a weight loss program. They are now in the 25 oz to 28 oz range.

All the best,
Rich


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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: Rich N]
      #1789178 - 08/20/07 03:48 PM

Thanks Bob, I also enjoyed all that as well. KennyJ "told me to read it"

Just shows how personal it all is really. Perhaps like cars, there is now such thing as a bad bino these days!

As I said to Kenny, I went to the Birdfair last Friday at Rutland, and tried many bins, and all the top end 8x40's and enjoyed all of them. It was useful to try them in a quick hands on first time ever situation. my list under "those conditions" have never looked through any of them before was

Zeiss
MInox
Pentax
Swift
Swaros
Leica
Victory
Steiner - which none of us could see through for whatever reason.

I went away happy with my Opticrons, which side by side, were not put to shame. Now if you give me 1125 I would buy the Zeiss.
I did like the Zeiss 8x20's

Now, how about an 8x40 test please.

Sorry to but in on a "compact" thread.

Geoffrey

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6.25" F7.6 Dob
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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: geoffrey]
      #1789197 - 08/20/07 03:56 PM

Quote:

Steiner - which none of us could see through for whatever reason.




objective caps?

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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: Mark9473]
      #1789217 - 08/20/07 04:02 PM

Nice one Mark.
Don't know why. We both wear specs, but could not really use them at all. Later, I took my specs off and that was a big improvement. Out of 60 or so bins we tried, those were the only ones we had any trouble with.

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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: geoffrey]
      #1789235 - 08/20/07 04:10 PM

Couldn't resist

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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: Mark9473]
      #1789277 - 08/20/07 04:27 PM

Bob,

Thank you very much for all your time and energy and information.

Because of your helpfulness, and excellent reviews/testing, today I ordered the Leupold Katmai 6x32mm roof prism, in the natural color, for my wife.

Also, I couldn't resist something to test along side of the Katmai, so, I asked Mike, at Eagle Optics, to include a Minox BD 8x44mm BP porro prism binocular.

I really like porros and 3D, so I want my wife to make a comparison between her favorite roof prism and a top-of-the-line porro prism binocular, just to get her reactions and her impressions about the 3D image representation.

She will more than likely go with the more compact 6x32mm with its close focus distance of 4.9 feet.

If I am impressed with the Minox I may just keep it for myself.

Thanks and enjoy the Leupold Katmai 6x32mm.

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Nikon7x35GoldSentinel 9.3*(2)+Pentax8x40PCFWPII+MinoxBD10x44BP+FujinonFMTRSX7x50
Nikon10x50GoldSentinel+Pentax12x50 5.5*Japan+Pentax12x50PCFWPII+Vixen8x56Geoma
Fujinon12x60HB+Pentax16x60PCFWP+Pentax20x60PCFWP+Pentax20x60PCFWPII
Tento20x60USSR+Orion12x63MiniGiant+Spectrum I 20x65+Orion15x70LittleGiant II
Orion20x70LittleGiant II+Orion16x80Giant+Orion30x80MEGAView+Barska30x80X-Trail
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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: Joe Ogiba]
      #1789581 - 08/20/07 06:34 PM

Joe O:

Thank you for your recommendations during my quest for compact roof binoculars. I learned a lot during the project--and I learned how much I have yet to learn about binoculars.


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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1789602 - 08/20/07 06:45 PM

Kenny:

Thank you for all of your help and assistance during my recent project to find a pair of compact roof binoculars.

Your knowledge of binoculars is amazing. I wish more people shared your enthusiasm to reach out and help others.

During the project I learned a great deal. I think every forum participant should take it upon himself/herself to field test some binoculars and write about them. The experience is wonderful.


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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: BobinKy]
      #1789603 - 08/20/07 06:45 PM

Bob,

That was the best review of compact roof binoculars I have seen in this forum, thanks for all the info you gave us.

Joe

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12x36 IS II , Pentax 8x32 ED
Garrett Optical 28x110 HD-WP Signature Series
Oberwerk BT-80 45, Apogee RA-88-SA
Denk II Power x Switch binoviewer w/13mm Ethos, 20mm Pentax XW's, 20mm Widescan III's.
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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: Mark9473]
      #1789631 - 08/20/07 07:01 PM

Quote:

Mark9473 wrote:

I would probably have picked the Minox.




I considered picking the Minox several times during the project. They are very nice binoculars. Being new on the market, there is not much written about them.

They have so much going for them. Besides being a great view--they are a pleasure to hold and focus. I found myself looking at different objects at different distances, just so I could rotate their neat metal focus wheel.

And the color rendering of the Minox is so unique.

Yes, the Japanese optics present colors in a bright and beautiful view that reaches out to you.

The Minox, however, does something different with the colors. Instead of reaching out to you, Minox views pull you in to the scene and lead you to think there is something very deep going on, something far more meaningful than just the tree or the bird or the star.

This effect might be the very limited field of depth or the unique color rendering. Whatever it is, it pulls you into a deeper experience.

Don't tell anybody--but, someday, I still may buy the Minox binoculars.


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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: Rich N]
      #1789641 - 08/20/07 07:07 PM

Quote:

Rich N wrote:

The Leupold Katmai 6x32 sounds like a great grab and go binocular.




That is why I decided upon the Leupold. I wanted a pair of binoculars I could reach on the shelf and take with me wherever I was going--and yet, give me a terrific viewing experience.

Last night I went for a drive through our town to look at some of the government buildings. The Leopolds were perfect for that grab and go, leisurely stroll.


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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: geoffrey]
      #1789657 - 08/20/07 07:14 PM

Quote:

geoffrey wrote:

I went to the Birdfair last Friday. . .




What a wonderful experience. When it comes to bird watching and binoculars--England has so much going on. I found their website on the Internet: Birdfair 2007. I would like to attend Birdfair 2008.

Thank you for your kind comments.


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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: hallelujah]
      #1789670 - 08/20/07 07:24 PM

Quote:

hallelujah wrote:

I ordered the Leupold Katmai 6x32mm roof prism, in the natural color, for my wife.

Also, I couldn't resist something to test along side of the Katmai, so, I asked Mike, at Eagle Optics, to include a Minox BD 8x44mm BP porro prism binocular.




I just looked up the specs on the Minox BD 8x44 BP porro. It looks very interesting. I am sure your wife will appreciate the opportunity to compare the two binoculars. Let us know how the tests go.

Thank you again for all of your help and assistance through my tests.


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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: BobinKy]
      #1791884 - 08/21/07 07:02 PM

Field Test Rankings

Here is a table listing the field test rankings of the six compacts.


.......................Leupold...Minox...Pentax...Leica...Nikon...Swarovski.
.........................6x32......8x33.....8x32.....8x20....8x20......8x20
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First Impression.........................................2........3...........1
Tomato 1..................................................3........1...........2
Rose........................................................3........1...........2
Spaniel.....................................................2........1...........3
Case & Strap.............................................2........3...........1
Haze........................................................3........1...........2
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Tomato 2..............1..........2...........3..........5........4...........6
Bald Eagle............3..........2...........1..........5........4...........6
Buffalo.................1..........2...........3..........4........5...........6
Elk.......................1..........2...........3..........4........5...........6
Ravine..................1..........3...........1..........6........5...........4
Twilight................1..........3...........2..........6........4...........5
Moon....................3..........1...........2..........4........5...........6
Jupiter..................2..........1...........4..........3........5...........6
M31......................1..........2...........3..........6........4...........5
Comfort.................1..........2...........3..........5........4...........6
Pocketability..........4..........5...........6..........2........3...........1
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Summary...............1..........2...........3..........5........4...........6


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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: BobinKy]
      #1792693 - 08/22/07 02:51 AM

Again Bob, thanks a lot .
My questions is this. If you had no bins and someone had given you ANY of those six, would you have been disappointed?

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Re: Compact roof binoculars: $500-$700 range? new [Re: geoffrey]
      #1792711 - 08/22/07 03:10 AM

Well , in spite of it's lowly final placing ( not entirely unpredicted or unexpected by this reader ) at least the Swarovski came first in three categories , which was three more than the Leica !

For SOME people ( no stereotypes specified ) perhaps THOSE three aspects , first impressions , case and strap and pocketability are actually the most important ! :-)

It was fitting to see a final table of results published .

Regards , Kenny

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