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Peter Argenziano
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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: ArizonaScott]
      #2106610 - 01/08/08 10:56 PM

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Long enough to get all 110 and completely aggravate Peter






Not too likely, my friend. At the onset of astronomical twilight M74 will be about 4° below the western horizon and M77 about 1° above the horizon. The Andromeda triad roughly at 3° and M33 at 4° above the horizon. Obviously, they are all setting... so you'll have to bag these rascals while it is still quite light. The best of luck to you.

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rboe



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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: Peter Argenziano]
      #2107158 - 01/09/08 09:06 AM

But with the proper sky filter you can block out that pesky sunlight. Sometimes simply closing your eyes is enough. Sometimes not.

I'll issue some prodding sticks so we can make sure Scott does not employ the eye lid filter past sun down.

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Ron


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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: rboe]
      #2107201 - 01/09/08 09:29 AM

Well so much for my big plan Guess I'll have to chow on pizza and enjoy the good company and comraderie

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rboe



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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: ArizonaScott]
      #2107293 - 01/09/08 10:23 AM

Going to a different star party then are we?

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Skylook123
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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: rboe]
      #2107709 - 01/09/08 01:50 PM

Pay no attention, Scott; we'll make Ron laugh (even if it takes cold pizza).

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Jim
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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: Skylook123]
      #2107908 - 01/09/08 03:24 PM

Hey, the marathon is serious business! No talking!

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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: Skylook123]
      #2108210 - 01/09/08 05:44 PM

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Pay no attention, Scott; we'll make Ron laugh (even if it takes cold pizza).




I bring special Won Ton soup just for Ron

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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: Peter Argenziano]
      #2108363 - 01/09/08 06:43 PM

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A question for you Marathon veterans. What is the most important horizon to have opened? I may try my first one this year and knowing this bit of information will dictate where I go to make my attempt. Thanks!

David




You need both east and west. West for the early setters, M74, M77 and the Andromeda trio. East for M30. If you go HERE you'll get a PDF of a very popular, time-tested observing order.




It's going to be a challenge for sure. I just loaded up Skytools and getting M74 and M77 is going to be very tough. The April weekend won't work at all...Skytools shows it below the horizon during twilight. So it's March and I have my doubts that I'll get all of them. But it'll be fun. I'm hoping we get a bunch of us together for it.

David

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desertstars



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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: ArizonaScott]
      #2110216 - 01/10/08 01:06 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Pay no attention, Scott; we'll make Ron laugh (even if it takes cold pizza).




I bring special Won Ton soup just for Ron




If the won tons are big enough, we could dry a few and string 'em up like prayer flags...



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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: desertstars]
      #2111085 - 01/10/08 07:22 PM

Sort of like the garlic hanging in the general stores in the '60s and '70s "spaghetti westerns"

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Jim
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rboe



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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: Skylook123]
      #2111089 - 01/10/08 07:24 PM

Or more like the harvesting of spaghetti from the spag trees in the fall?

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Peter Argenziano
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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: rboe]
      #2111264 - 01/10/08 08:35 PM

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Or more like the harvesting of spaghetti from the spag trees in the fall?




Silly wabbitt... everyone knows it grows on bushes, not trees.

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rboe



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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: Peter Argenziano]
      #2111366 - 01/10/08 09:09 PM

Maybe it's a short tree although from the movie they appeared to be good sized. We'll have to discuss this in the desert.

At high noon.

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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: rboe]
      #2111422 - 01/10/08 09:28 PM

You go yak away; I'll catch up closer to sundown.

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Jim
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stevecoe
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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: Skylook123]
      #2111857 - 01/11/08 12:58 AM

To answer someone's question:

You need to observe 50 objects to get a certificate from AJ or Jack. I don't think you could do 50 objects with naked eyes as your observing device. Assuming that magnitude 7.5 is the deepest you could get there are probably only 20 or so Messier objects to that limiting magnitude.

Certainly a challenge;
Steve Coe

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rboe



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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: stevecoe]
      #2112279 - 01/11/08 09:04 AM

Thanks Steve. I figured Scott was just jesting but it still was an interesting task to consider.

Now we just have to convince him that Mars is not a Messier Object. M-ars.

Do you plan on attending?

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Ron


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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: rboe]
      #2112717 - 01/11/08 12:10 PM

I'm thinking an early morning snipe or jackalope hunt would be very sporting

Me jest? Surely you jest? Hmmm, hadn't thought of Mars but now that ya mention it......

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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: ArizonaScott]
      #2112763 - 01/11/08 12:23 PM

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I'm thinking an early morning snipe or jackalope hunt would be very sporting




If you decide to pursue this, let me know, and I'll see if I can't find a muskrat or two...

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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: desertstars]
      #2115457 - 01/12/08 02:31 PM

I'll throw in a bag'o'snipe

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Jim
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Re: All Arizona Messier Marathon; 4-5-08 new [Re: Skylook123]
      #2119466 - 01/14/08 11:21 AM

Usually the desert pupfish are biting in the wee hours, so I'll bring along my sons fishing pen

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