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coopman
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CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new
      #2071357 - 12/24/07 10:34 AM

Is one supposedly better than the other for some reason?

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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new [Re: coopman]
      #2071369 - 12/24/07 10:39 AM

Carbon fibre tubes are more stable during temperature fluxuations which makes them more desireable for serious imaging. The negative side of CF is that it's a lousy heat sync. In other words, it takes longer to cool down than an aluminum tube.

David

Edited by David Pavlich (12/24/07 05:15 PM)


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Eddgie
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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? [Re: coopman]
      #2071418 - 12/24/07 11:03 AM

Yes,the Carbon Fibre tubes don't expand lengthwise. As the metal expands, the length of the tube changes. If you are doing imageing, the very slight change in length changes ther focal length, which of course changes the focus.

It is a bit lighter too, but I don't think that this is enough to matter.

I think if you were taking long exposure pics, it might make a difference. Don't know.

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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new [Re: Eddgie]
      #2071503 - 12/24/07 11:44 AM

CF looks cool!

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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new [Re: HendyPhoto]
      #2071645 - 12/24/07 12:59 PM

Quote:

CF looks cool!






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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new [Re: HendyPhoto]
      #2071652 - 12/24/07 01:01 PM

I noticed that Celestron discontinued the CF 9.25" OTA. http://www.optcorp.com/product.aspx?pid=3554

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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new [Re: Doug]
      #2071753 - 12/24/07 01:43 PM

I think they discontinued everything with the standard coatings. You can still get the CF with XLT though, which is what you would want anyway!

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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new [Re: coopman]
      #2072029 - 12/24/07 04:28 PM

There is no advantage of carbon fiber over aluminum for visual use. For visual use, aluminum has the small advantage of slightly faster cool-down times. CF has no advantage for video, DSLR or planetary imaging. It has a decided advantage in long exposure imaging in that less focusing is required as temps change over long periods.

I think CF looks cool, too, but that is a matter of personal preference. I don't care as much for the CF look on refractors, though.

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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new [Re: HendyPhoto]
      #2072385 - 12/24/07 08:24 PM

Quote:

I think they discontinued everything with the standard coatings. You can still get the CF with XLT though, which is what you would want anyway!




Celestron will discontinue all the CF tube in 2008 - get it while you can.

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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new [Re: scopedude]
      #2073500 - 12/25/07 03:04 PM

In my experience with side by side tests, carbon fiber can take considerably longer to cool down, and can have a difficult time chasing temperature changes during the night.

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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new [Re: coopman]
      #2073525 - 12/25/07 03:23 PM

Quote:

Is one supposedly better than the other for some reason?



CF is also stronger (generally that is)!

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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new [Re: davidpitre]
      #2073803 - 12/25/07 07:13 PM

Quote:

In my experience with side by side tests, carbon fiber can take considerably longer to cool down, and can have a difficult time chasing temperature changes during the night.




Not in tropical area

Here, in daylight the temp is around 33-34C, drops to 26-28C at night. Inside the house, we keep the temp around 25-26C, so when I take it outside, there is practically no temp difference. Any SCTs can be a grab and go.

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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new [Re: scopedude]
      #2074130 - 12/25/07 10:56 PM

I heard someone saying all Celestron's SCT with carbon fiber tube have just started to be discontinued

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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new [Re: pollux]
      #2074328 - 12/26/07 01:06 AM

Yep, due to long and limited supply. I see a C11 in your future though. It's not clear whether it's CF or not

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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new [Re: scopedude]
      #2074530 - 12/26/07 05:57 AM

If you really want CF you can upgrade with an aftermarket tube. Puts you on a first name basis with the inside of your Celestron.

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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new [Re: JerryWise]
      #2074961 - 12/26/07 12:51 PM

I should buy some carbon fiber OTA's before they are all discontinued, and sell them when they are extinct for more!

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Re: CF vs. Alum. Tube....What's the Deal? new [Re: HendyPhoto]
      #2076452 - 12/27/07 02:58 AM

I too think CF is way cooler to look at than the aluminum.

But practically I really don't know.....

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