Chopin
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First off, let me assure you that I have quite limited experience with binos. Although I feel I’ve learned quite a bit regarding optical quality on telescopes and eyepieces over the past year, I still consider myself a little wet behind the ears when using both eyes. That said, I have attempted to use the basic mechanical, optical, and ergonomic points of binocular testing to guide me in this very basic, and early, assessment.
Upon first impression, this pair of 8x40 WPII’s seems well built. The finish on the outside of the casing is consistent with the rest of the PCF WP line – rugged and slip resistant, with a nice flat black appearance.
A close inspection of the coatings on both the objective and eyepiece lenses shows a deep purple and green, when held at an angle against the sunlight. In a well lit room, without direct lighting , no facial details can be seen while looking at my own reflection. Shining a flashlight against the objective lens produces three reflections, first two are green and magenta, third is a very slight pale bluish-white. When shone against the EP lenses the result is six reflections, magenta, green, blue-green, pale green, pale blue-green, and pale bluish-white.
Glancing down the barrel, from the objective side, no prisms are noted to obstruct the light path. And from the EP end, when held about 8-10 inches away, the exit pupil appears perfectly round.
Inter-pupilary distance ranged from 57-75mm across the adjustment range.
The EP’s move only slightly, and only with stern grasping on my part.
The heavier weight of 28oz., for this size bino, felt well grounded in my hands, resisting too much jiggle on star points. Additionally, the design of the barrels allowed my hands to find a comfortable position without any thought at all. My wife agreed with this point, stating how easy they were to hold.
The center focuser was moderately stiff, yet smooth and easy to operate. It was also within easy reach of both index fingers (I have medium sized hands) to allow quick adjustments in both directions. The right diopter adjustment was notably stiffer, although I don’t see this to be a problem, as this tends to be a “set and forget” adjustment.
On center sharpness was very good, although not as nice as the Swaravoski spotting scope that I looked through at my local shop. If the Swarovski was a 10 out of 10, then the Pentax easily came in at 8. Still better than my Father-in-law’s Minolta 7x35 Classic rating a 7, or my brother’s Bushnell 7-15x35 which is possibly a 6 at the 7x end of the zoom scale. I also performed a modified “dollar bill” test. Since I seldom have cash on me (with my wife and daughters always mere steps behind me) I chose a Coke can. At 25 feet, the dietary info was clear as a bell. In fact, I learned at that point that a can of Coke has 50grams of sodium. Shikies! That a lot of salt.
When testing for sharpness across the field I used several test subjects, including stop signs, street signs, stars, and white framed windows on a Victorian house approximately ½ mile away. In all instances the field maintained a consistent sharp focus about 80% of the way from center. The next 5%, although not as sharp was still acceptable, and the remaining 15% was fuzz or worse. When tested on stars, of dimmer than 1.0 magnitude, pinpoint focus was possible. But with brighter objects (stars and planets), transverse spherical aberration was noted, splaying rays out like a small spider (and not so small on Venus). Longitudinal spherical aberration (seagulls?) was noted 80% out and beyond.
Some slight yellow-green color fringing was noted in daylight against high contrast signs. But I also noted this in the Swarovski spotting scope, albeit to a lesser degree, so I have decided not to fret over it.
Some mild pincushion distortion was noted on distant buildings when pushed to the edge of the field. Although scanning my back field for wildlife yesterday did not produce a nauseating sensation. Of course, I can read while driving so I may not be the best judge here.
Although I did not do specific measurements on TFOV, the Pleiades appeared approximately less than 1/3 the diameter of the field, lending me no reason to doubt the manufacturer’s measurement of 6.3 deg. M45 was quite stunning BTW, crystal clear and well framed.
Overall, I would certainly recommend these to any one looking for this size bino, not looking to spend more than $200. They appear to be of good construction, and good optical quality. Views were consistently clean and sharp, as if I could reach out and touch my viewing subjects. At one point my Yellow Lab took a sprint in the back field (probably chasing a stray oak leaf) and tracking him was quite easy. And from 100 feet off I could still make out the individual hairs on the back of his neck. I don't regret this purchase, and impatiently wait for the work week to end so I can have more time behind them.
Clear skies, Chopin
-------------------- Jason®
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Reflectors: 110/900mm, 250/1140mm (in progress)
Refractors: 80/400mm, 72/430mm ED
Binoculars: 8x40mm, 15x85mm
Eyepieces: Televue Naglers, Faworski Abbe orthos
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DavidB82
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Nice write up! I'm sure this'll be very helpful to several folks as several questions of Nikon AEs vs Pentax WP2s has come up recently. The board seemed to be lacking indepth reviews of the WP2s.
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Erik D
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Frederic,
That is an excellent first report from someone who is still a little "wet"... I like your description of testing for resolution and edge sharpness. I'll have to find a Coke can and try it with my 8X32 RP....
I do envy your NELM 6.2 backyard. It was clear last night so I went out around 8 pm for 15-20 minute. Sounds like you had a better view of M45 than I did with my 12X50 Roof Prism.( Mag 4.5 skies)
Erik D
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KennyJ
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Chopin ,
May I congratulate you on a very well written review which was a pleasure to read .
Great presentation , with plenty of " breathing space " and some quite novel ways of not only testing for various characteristics , but describing them too .
There was a smattering of humour with the reference to ready cash , wife and kids ( I know the feeling VERY well ! ) and a little bonus of non - binocular related education with the sodium reference .
I liked the way you left mention of the TFOV to almost the end , as if it is not THAT important anyway , providing it is reasonably close to what one expects , and especially when so many other optical aspects seemed to satisfy your expectations and requirements .
There was an interesting and informative INTRODUCTION and definite CONCLUDING paragraph .
The fact that the conclusion was POSITIVE , brought with the review , a HAPPY ending , which I'm sure most people always prefer to have .
As David mentioned , there seems not a LOT of actual REVIEWS of this model available , only a few comments here and there , most of a derogatory nature when comparing performance of the PCF WP 2 against earlier versions , which I considered VERY good value for money , anyway .
It is therefore quite refreshing and encouraging to read some very positive comments here .
This is a MUST for our mini - review section in my opinion , and a " must read " in general for any true binocular afficionado.
Very well done Chopin !
I hope it isn't too long before you decide to buy yourself another new binocular , if only so we can enjoy reading another one of your reviews !
And don't forget , if YOU don't spend the money on BINOCULARS , there will be no shortage of family members more than prepared to spend it on something else :-)
Regards , Kenny
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Chopin
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Quote:
Nice write up! I'm sure this'll be very helpful to several folks as several questions of Nikon AEs vs Pentax WP2s has come up recently. The board seemed to be lacking indepth reviews of the WP2s.
Thanks David. This is the exact reason I wanted to write the review. It's my own little contribution to such a wonderful forum.
-------------------- Jason®
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Reflectors: 110/900mm, 250/1140mm (in progress)
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Binoculars: 8x40mm, 15x85mm
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johnno
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I agree with all the above comments,
A very nicely written informative review,a pleasure to read. Thank you Chopin.
Regards.John
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Chopin
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Frederic,
That is an excellent first report from someone who is still a little "wet"... I like your description of testing for resolution and edge sharpness. I'll have to find a Coke can and try it with my 8X32 RP....
I do envy your NELM 6.2 backyard. It was clear last night so I went out around 8 pm for 15-20 minute. Sounds like you had a better view of M45 than I did with my 12X50 Roof Prism.( Mag 4.5 skies)
Erik D
Thanks Erik. But I still insist that I am quite the novice, although I fear a possible addiction to binoculars setting in (just like those blasted telescope EP's).
BTW, that view of M45 was at work from the brightly lit parking lot, probably no more than 5.0 magnitude. Tonight I hope to capitalize on the good skies here at home.
-------------------- Jason®
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Reflectors: 110/900mm, 250/1140mm (in progress)
Refractors: 80/400mm, 72/430mm ED
Binoculars: 8x40mm, 15x85mm
Eyepieces: Televue Naglers, Faworski Abbe orthos
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Chopin
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Thank you, Kenny, for such kind words. I was initially hesitant to write the review, being my first pair of binos. But mostly I am glad to hear that you were laughing with it, and not at it.
-------------------- Jason®
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Reflectors: 110/900mm, 250/1140mm (in progress)
Refractors: 80/400mm, 72/430mm ED
Binoculars: 8x40mm, 15x85mm
Eyepieces: Televue Naglers, Faworski Abbe orthos
Canon 1D, 20D, 10-24mm, 50mm, 70-200mm, 150-500mm
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Chopin
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I agree with all the above comments,
A very nicely written informative review,a pleasure to read. Thank you Chopin.
Regards.John
Thanks
-------------------- Jason®
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Refractors: 80/400mm, 72/430mm ED
Binoculars: 8x40mm, 15x85mm
Eyepieces: Televue Naglers, Faworski Abbe orthos
Canon 1D, 20D, 10-24mm, 50mm, 70-200mm, 150-500mm
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Chopin
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Follow Up 2007/01/22
I've owned these binos for a little over a year now, so much time has been spent behind the glass. Over the better part of 2006 I have had the opportunity to use several different binos (from Zhumell 20x80's at the low end, all the way to Swarovski 7x50's at the high end), enabling me to get a better feel for where these PCF WP II's fit in.
First off, I'll say I am still smitten with these 8x40's. The feeling in the hand is perfect, the comfort to the eye is pleasing (with or without glasses on ), and the widefield clarity during star sweeping is sensational.
Optically though, there are some quirks I have grown to notice over time.
The most obvious is the pincushion distortion. Although hardly evident in star fields at night, it is a bit more noticeable during the day. As I use these for both hand held astronomy and daytime birding, I can clearly say that I've had much time to compare. I'm not sure why this is. I wonder if the existence of straight lines during the day (buildings, road signs, telephone poles) might heighten this impression, as your eye has a better reference of dimension. While birding the pincushion is of no matter to me, but I feel it is still a point that should be mentioned.
The second issue I have come to realize is the right diopter adjustment. I like it, from a mechanical perspective. It is firm, and has precise "click-stop" adjustments. However, I notice that while I can easily focus the diopter crisply with my glasses on, I cannot with my glasses off. I'm sure that half of this equation is my own eyesight. Both the myopia and the astigmatism of my eyes varies just slightly from left to right. However, I feel the lack of "infinite fine tuning" on the diopter misses the prescription of my right eye, when not first corrected by my eyeglasses. This is a bit of a nit on my part, and does not make these binos unusable. In fact, I didn't pick up on it until three or four months ago. I do however pay more attention now, to whether I am wearing my glasses or not.
On a positive note, these are very sharp across most of the field. In fact, the 7x50 Swarovski's I mentioned earlier (which belong to a friend) are not as well corrected across the field as these Peantax's. The Swar's do provide pinpoints on axis like no other instrument I've used (better than TeleVue plössls in my Mak Cass ). But for widefield scanning, I prefer the full field sharpness of these PCF WP II's.
Additionally, despite the small aperture, they are very bright on DSO's. Messier globs POP with these binos, and I've had my best views of three separate comets this past year through these (including McNaught in orange dusk).
Since picking these up, I've noticed the ever variable Pentax market pricing has pushed these from the $120 I originally payed to $150 currently. I'd still buy these for $150, no hesitation. They are my most used optical instrument, and have inspired me to go bino on all of my scopes.
My overall grades:
Optically: 8/10. Mechanically: 8.5/10 Value: 9/10
Clear skies.
-------------------- Jason®
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Reflectors: 110/900mm, 250/1140mm (in progress)
Refractors: 80/400mm, 72/430mm ED
Binoculars: 8x40mm, 15x85mm
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Swedpat
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Hi all!
Nice to read your impressions of these binoculars! Sometimes I am bewildering of different persons different understandings of the same optics. I wonder if the reason partly is that the perfomance level of same optics can differ in high degree between different specimens.
My personal experience of the Pentax 10x50 PCF WPII was a disappointment. It was optically corresponding to one other persons impression of the 20x60 PCF WPII: a soft image, not to compare to the predecessors in the same line. The cheap "junk-priced" "LIDL-bargains" Bresser/Meade 10x50 are optically superior in this respect, except from the better coating of the Pentax PCF WPII.
When I once tried the Swarovski SLC 7x50 7-8 years ago I became strongly impressed; I had never before seen such a sharp, contrasty, and flat image across the FOV, according to my memory the image was perfect to almost 100%. That doesn't correspond well to beeing worse than the Pentax PCF WPII...
Comments?
Patric
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*Leupold Katmai 6x32
*Nikon Sporter I 8x36
*Swarovski SLCNew 7x42B
*Bresser (Lidl) 10x50
*Oberwerk 11x70
*Stellarvue SV50 spottingscope
*Meade 5000 26mm Plössl, Vixen LV 10/5mm
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Chopin
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Hi Patric,
I too have read varying opinions on what appears to be QC glitches in this line. I figure I may have gotten one of the better ones. My point in the is report, for anyone reading, is merely to express what I have come to accept of the instrument.
As for the Swarovski's I speak of, they are approximately of mid 1980's vintage. On axis they are extremely sharp, but by no means were they as crisp within the last 25% of the edge, at least to my eyes.
-------------------- Jason®
VeritableImagery
Reflectors: 110/900mm, 250/1140mm (in progress)
Refractors: 80/400mm, 72/430mm ED
Binoculars: 8x40mm, 15x85mm
Eyepieces: Televue Naglers, Faworski Abbe orthos
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Swedpat
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Jason,
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As for the Swarovski's I speak of, they are approximately of mid 1980's vintage
THAT certainly explains the difference between our understanding of the Swarovski 7x50! They are not the same model.
Patric
-------------------- *2,3x40 Constellation View Wide-Bino
*Leupold Katmai 6x32
*Nikon Sporter I 8x36
*Swarovski SLCNew 7x42B
*Bresser (Lidl) 10x50
*Oberwerk 11x70
*Stellarvue SV50 spottingscope
*Meade 5000 26mm Plössl, Vixen LV 10/5mm
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Refractor6
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Well I must of recieved a "lucky" good sample of my Pentax 20x60 PCF WP binos purchased almost a year ago. Anything but soft images with very sharply resolved stars,good contrast and a flat field with tight stars to nearly the very edge of the field of view. On axis views are quite impressive with Saturn's shape clearly defined with no flaring and Jupiter the same with central banding evident with no flaring too noted. Summer Milky Way viewing is outstanding in these binos. Collimation is dead on and general mechanics are very good including the very nice coatings.
No complaints from yet another happy Pentax PCF WP bino owner.
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Stan
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Jason ALWAYS delivers on any type of review, be it his dog or cats or wife or kids or... Oh yea, back to my comments ! What can I say? Chopin is one person that EVERYBODY likes. I have purchased some eyepieces and filters and... Oh yea back to my comments!
Jason is one person that we definitely need here on CN, because he always cracks a welcoming smile to my face with his uncanny and much needed humour !!! Thanks for the review Jason and let me know when you want to sell me your binoculars. he-he. errrr, ummmm, just kidding.
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wprince
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I tried a new pair of these binoculars this weekend (during the daytime) and was impressed with the construction quality and build, but was disappointed optically. Unlike Chopin, the pair I tried did not exhibit any pincushion distortion, but rather had a touch of barrel distortion. To me the view had that "fishbowl" effect. In addition, the edges of the FOV did not look very good and the distortion could not be focused out. I didn't bother to try these at night. Even though these binoculars were pretty inexpensive (I paid $111.95 U.S.) they are going back today. Perhaps I received a bad sample?
-------------------- Wade
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hallelujah
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Quote:
I tried a new pair of these binoculars this weekend (during the daytime) and was impressed with the construction quality and build, but was disappointed optically. Unlike Chopin, the pair I tried did not exhibit any pincushion distortion, but rather had a touch of barrel distortion. To me the view had that "fishbowl" effect. In addition, the edges of the FOV did not look very good and the distortion could not be focused out. Perhaps I received a bad sample?
wprince,
Did you notice the comments on the Pentax PCF WP II 8x40 in this post? Pentax PCF WP II 8x40
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Nikon10x50GoldSentinel+Pentax12x50 5.5*Japan+Pentax12x50PCFWPII+Vixen8x56Geoma
Fujinon12x60HB+Pentax16x60PCFWP+Pentax20x60PCFWP+Pentax20x60PCFWPII
Tento20x60USSR+Orion12x63MiniGiant+Spectrum I 20x65+Orion15x70LittleGiant II
Orion20x70LittleGiant II+Orion16x80Giant+Orion30x80MEGAView+Barska30x80X-Trail
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wprince
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Yes I did, but what I saw wasn't the same as what I read (or understood). If the distortion of the edges of what I saw was field curvature then I would think I could focus much of it out? Also, I saw slight barrel (not pincushion) in my sample. I'm sure these are fine binoculars, but I just received a bad sample.
-------------------- Wade
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EdZ
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Yes I did, but what I saw wasn't the same as what I read (or understood). If the distortion of the edges of what I saw was field curvature then I would think I could focus much of it out? Also, I saw slight barrel (not pincushion) in my sample. I'm sure these are fine binoculars, but I just received a bad sample.
I tested these same binoculars in my Small Binocular study. I find they have very strong pincushion, in fact, a maximum score for pincushion. They have very little distortion of any type out to about 60-70% of the field, then for the remainder of the fov, they have very strong field curvature.
FWIW, I've never seen barrel distortion in any binocular that I have ever owned (or borrowed).
edz
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wprince
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Definitely did not see pincushion distortion in mine and I really tried to find it (but the edges weren't very good either). Compared to the 8x42 Celestron Regals I just bought, which have some pincushion, the lack of pincushion in the Pentaxes was obvious. The fact that mine performed differently tells me that there must be sample variation.
-------------------- Wade
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