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desertstars



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A Common Technique? new
      #620779 - 09/29/05 11:58 AM

I'm finally reading Deep Sky Wonders by Walter Scott Houston, and in one discussion he tosses in a brief mention of a correspondent's sketching technique. The subject, by the way, was an open cluster. The idea was to defocus the image until only the brightest stars could still be seen (albeit as blobs) and to make a "skeleton" sketch that included only these stars. I assume the idea is to seed the sketch with landmarks, so to speak. The image would then be focused and the faint stars marked in around the major players.

I'll have to try this before I call it a major head-slapper, but the idea has caught my fancy. Have I just missed mention of this idea in my frantic effort to keep up with CN? Or is this not a common technique at all?

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Harry Pulley
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Re: A Common Technique? new [Re: desertstars]
      #620789 - 09/29/05 12:04 PM

I have read it before. The late Fr. Lucien Kemble (for whom the asterism Kemble's Cascade is named) mentioned this technique on many occasions. He was a member of the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada and it was mentioned in its publications but I've never gone back to see how far back it can be found. Much of the Journal is now online so it might be possible to find it on google scholar but I haven't found any articles by him that mention it there, though they have been scanned back to the early eighties. He mentioned it on the RASC mailing list many times

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Re: A Common Technique? new [Re: Harry Pulley]
      #620851 - 09/29/05 12:48 PM

I too have recently discovered this. I've tried it once so far and it seems to work really well.

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desertstars



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Re: A Common Technique? new [Re: Harry Pulley]
      #620981 - 09/29/05 02:11 PM

Quote:

I have read it before. The late Fr. Lucien Kemble (for whom the asterism Kemble's Cascade is named) mentioned this technique on many occasions.




As happens, this was the correspondent. (Slipped my mind while I was typing up the first post.)

I'll almost certainly be sketching a few things at the AASP on Saturday night. I'll give it a try and see what comes of it.

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Tim2723
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Re: A Common Technique? new [Re: desertstars]
      #624808 - 10/02/05 01:16 PM

I recall Carol L. using that technique for Sinus Iridum (I think). Perhaps she'll chime in.

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WadeVC
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Re: A Common Technique? new [Re: desertstars]
      #2661905 - 09/25/08 03:10 AM

Here again, I stumbled across this post from a while back, and thought it to be an interesting technique to share with others. Read the first post to see what I am referring to.

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Re: A Common Technique? new [Re: WadeVC]
      #2662882 - 09/25/08 04:08 PM

It really works. I've used it many times. If a field is really crowded, I'll defocus to concentrate on the brighter stars.

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WadeVC
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Re: A Common Technique? new [Re: rodelaet]
      #2663741 - 09/26/08 12:49 AM

I think I shall give this a try this weekend and see how it works out.

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Re: A Common Technique? new [Re: WadeVC]
      #2670279 - 09/29/08 03:15 PM

What a great idea! I'll bet it would work particularly well in a nebula-swamped field such as M42 or the Rosette.

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Re: A Common Technique? new [Re: Jeff Young]
      #2671320 - 09/30/08 12:38 AM

Another use for this technique is in estimating visual magnitudes for long period and irregular variable stars. On some of the more difficult variables it can be helpful.

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Re: A Common Technique? new [Re: desertstars]
      #2672380 - 09/30/08 04:18 PM

Tom

The situation was forced upon me by nature as a child. I was a tremendously nearsighted astronomer as a child. I could not understand it nor my parents when I racked the binoculars way out of focus (in focus for me) compared to those others in the family with 20/20 vision.

Although our parents first home was nearly 7 miles east out of Portland Oregon in 1955, the Milky Way and Amdromeda were easy naked eye objects, I was so nearsighted as a child before the teachers discovered that I squinted at the blackboard in 4th grade, I saw the skies as only a few bright cotton puffs, the moon was a big bright blob, until I first got eyeglasses as a 9 year old.

What a new world! To see the sky and discover so many thousands of more stars for the first time! It was a new universe to a 9 year old! As already established as a left handed artist then, can you imagine the new visual graphics?

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Re: A Common Technique? [Re: markseibold]
      #2673009 - 09/30/08 09:45 PM

I found out about the de-focus technique by accident (changing eyepieces) while teaching myself to sketch, and used it quite a bit back then but haven't used it in quite a while now.

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