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Step-by-step Lunar sketching
      #517948 - 07/15/05 04:58 PM

I've been asked to make a step-by-step demonstration how my Lunar sketches are done, and it actually went much smoother than anticipated last night. The hardest part was remembering to stop and take the pictures as I was sketching.
Actual sketch size is 2"x2".

The area chosen was a beautiful circular formation of craters located below Walter. Beginning from the West [left]: Orontius, Huggins, Nasireddin, Miller, Miller C, and Lexell A. The crater below Orontius is Saussure. The entire grouping is on Rukl plate 65.

All images were taken at the scope while the sketch was progressing.. camera used was a Nikon Coolpix 4300. Since the flash made an awful glare on the graphite, the camera's manual mode was used with 1/8 second as an exposure time. The illumination was provided by my Lunar sketching light.

As twilight deepened, the images understandably became darker but a longer exposure might have caused slight blurring because the clipboard and the camera were hand-held. The images which turned out dark were put into my photo program for adjustments to their value. They're still a bit dark but I didn't want to mess with them too much.. you can still see them, though.

There were no touch-ups done after getting home. Usually I need to deepen the shadows with a 9B prior to scanning the sketches, but since the digital images turned out so dark, the 9B wasn't necessary. What you see in the last image is what I brought home from the starpad.

Now for the sketches.. there will be six of them.


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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #517951 - 07/15/05 05:01 PM Attachment (486 downloads)

Step 1
Rough outline showing the main features, done with a 2B.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #517953 - 07/15/05 05:03 PM Attachment (456 downloads)

Step 2
Fill in deep shadows with 6B.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
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Step 3
Medium value roughed in with 4B.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
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Step 4
Medium value blended; outer area also shaded in, using same blending stump.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #517964 - 07/15/05 05:09 PM Attachment (423 downloads)

Step 5
More blending; lighter highlights created with soft eraser.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #517968 - 07/15/05 05:11 PM Attachment (446 downloads)

Step 6
Final blend and touch-up.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #517979 - 07/15/05 05:21 PM

Carol,

Thank you for the play-by-play. You say the sketch is 2 by 2 inches. Is that typical for you? In the dark, I have a hard time seeing things that small.

You really do nice work.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Mark Z.]
      #518003 - 07/15/05 05:36 PM

Thanks for sharing your procedure. I've never drawn a detailed outline at the beginning before, but I'll definitely give it a try. Thanks again.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Mark Z.]
      #518005 - 07/15/05 05:39 PM

Great step-by-step, Carol, thanks for posting that. You've taken a very systematic approach with clear improvements to the sketch at each step. I always feel like my own lunar sketches look *really bad* throughout most of the process, and then suddenly everything comes together at the very end into something presentable (usually, I hope).

I think my tendency is to ramble around (kind of like this post) so I have different parts of the sketch in different stages of completion at any given time. Some areas will be completed (at your step 6) while an adjacent area will still be stuck on step 1...

I'm sure my next sketch will be an improvement, thanks to this excellent example. Thanks again, Carol!


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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Mark Z.]
      #518008 - 07/15/05 05:43 PM

Thanks Carol, that's great! I think I see where I've been going wrong now. I do my outlines and then work a section at a time, changing pencils a hundred times and getting nowhere. You have that divided into only three 'colors', dark, medium and light gray.

I'm going to try a couple of sketches from photos using only three pencils: 2B graphite for the outlines, 6B charcoal for the black-blacks, and ebony for the mediums with highlights erased in. (Is that a real term? "Erased in" is an oxymoron! ) Anyway, those three pencils are the ones I've become most comfortable with, so I'll start there.

Thanks again! A very nice presentation.

And oh yeah, I also thought your drawings were bigger than that.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Tim2723]
      #518118 - 07/15/05 07:19 PM

Thanks everyone!
When I'm pressed for time, the sketches always seem to be smaller for some reason.. go figure.

The outline is what I always had the most trouble with, so I sat down with a few lunar books and began to practice getting the basics down as accurately and as quickly as possible. It really helped.
Prior to that, I used to ramble around and juggle pencils, too. I'd make an outline but didn't dare fill in the deep shadows as a second step because I knew that somewhere along the line, I'd have to erase it.
Practicing the outline is crucial, because it's the foundation of the sketch.. get that right, and it's like downtown.

Btw Mark, have you tried using a brighter light for lunar work? Since there's no need to preserve night vision, it doesn't have to be red, and you can have it as bright as you please.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #518119 - 07/15/05 07:20 PM

I've got the detailed outline part down pat...




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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: desertstars]
      #518228 - 07/15/05 09:04 PM

Don't worry, Tom.. your descriptions of the lunar surface more than adequately complete the picture.

Btw, I just remembered.. you'd mentioned in another thread that you'd support either a double-post of this here and in the Sketching forum, or a link pointing the way to the completed project. Seeing as a link is quicker, I'll scoot over there now and post it before I forget.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #518303 - 07/15/05 10:11 PM

Thanks Carol. You're awesome! I've been wanting to get into sketching but unsure how do the moon sometimes. Any help is appreciated, especially the detail you've given here.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: typhus]
      #518306 - 07/15/05 10:12 PM

Also, I would love to see more of these!

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: typhus]
      #518368 - 07/15/05 10:55 PM

Uau!!!
Now you can give us some tips about sketching DSO's.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: SandmanBR]
      #518444 - 07/15/05 11:53 PM

Hi Carol,

That was a wonderful tutorial and a great sketch! It's interesting to see the rough outline drawing and compare it to the final version, because then we can see how much you were able to capture regarding the sizes and accurate positioning of the craters, that helped inform the sketch as it proceeded. I like the fact that you delineated the shadow boundries in the next step because establishing them early seems to keep lunar sketches from "drifting" with the changing light.

You technique is very refined and I love the way you produce the tones going from darkest to medium and finally to the very lightest. You possess such beautifully subtle control of tonal values. A great eye for composition as well.


Thank you for sharing this excellent sketch and step-by-step tutorial,

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: kraterkid]
      #518464 - 07/16/05 12:15 AM

After my first few sketches it seemed like it was going to take a lot of practice to get decent at it, so I stopped sketching. The Carol-L Method streamlines the whole process enough that I think I'll give it another try. Thanks Carol.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: kraterkid]
      #518483 - 07/16/05 12:25 AM

Great job Carol! Looks like I have a new way to try and improve my sketches. I think my problem is I get too hung up about completing each part instead of doing a rough sketch of everything first. Shows my lack of knowledge in the art of sketching. Also, please keep'em coming! I do enjoy looking at your work.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Redman]
      #518629 - 07/16/05 05:57 AM

very nice carol, now that we know how you do it, we all have something to shoot for. I may try combining this with white charcoal on black paper and see what happens.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: oldsalt]
      #518680 - 07/16/05 08:11 AM

Thank you for taking the time to do your tutorial, Carol. It's always so cool to see different techiniques in the process. And you make it look so easy!

BTW, for those of you interested in DSO sketching, cildarith (Eric) has posted a wonderful tutorial: Sketching Globs , plus Bill Ferris has a great one too.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Erix]
      #518858 - 07/16/05 12:18 PM

Great sketch outline, maybe even I can work up the courage to try sketching the moon, thanks again.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Tommy5]
      #518970 - 07/16/05 01:51 PM

Thank you Carol for taking the time to post a play by play.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Tommy5]
      #518975 - 07/16/05 01:55 PM

Thanks everyone, your enthusiasm has made my weekend!

See? My sketches start out as little ugly ducklings too.
It looks like the intimidation factor has been knocked down a few notches for some of you, and that's exciting to hear. Never be afraid to sketch.. if you're self-conscious and don't want to post them, then that's fine.. but don't stop. Trust me.. keep practicing and some day you'll post a sketch that'll knock our socks off!


And Tim, a very special thanks to you for suggesting this project..
I honestly never realized how much something like this would help others.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #519381 - 07/16/05 10:21 PM

Carol ; outstanding tutorial.Thanks for shareing it with us.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: droid]
      #519491 - 07/17/05 01:58 AM

Carol, thanks for the insight. When I draw it kind of all over the place then I go back over it and darken it.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: CigTech]
      #520524 - 07/18/05 12:37 AM

Thanks, glad to be of help!

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #526905 - 07/22/05 06:51 AM

Carol - thanks for the step-by-step. It's wonderful as are all your sketches. Can I get your permission to use it at a club meeting as an instructional, to possibly get some members interested in sketching?? You, of course, would be fully credited.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Stan Lopata]
      #527735 - 07/22/05 04:13 PM

You're welcome Stan, thanks for your kind words. I'd be honored if you'd use the tutorial at your meeting... jmho, there can never be too many lunar sketchers.
Also, let the members know that they don't have to be an artist to do this sort of thing. I've never had an art lesson in my life, and only began sketching the Moon in 2003. Btw, could you please give Cloudy Nights a plug at the meeting? We'd love to see more new faces in the Lunie Bin.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #529729 - 07/24/05 10:36 AM

Fantastic Carol!!!
(better late than never)
Finally, I have your secrets and see how its done properly.
In that, I mean that the method is that of an artist that usually builds the layers as opposed to doing all the steps randomly accross the canvas (as I do ).
This will make an excellent chapter in the book you're doing!!! Opps, did I let the cat out of the bag ?
Major on this one Carol! Thanks

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: PMB]
      #529808 - 07/24/05 11:58 AM

Interesting fact: At least seven of the replies to this post (including my own) make mention of having struggled by trying to sketch by switching pencils or otherwise not proceding in a logical fashion. For that many people to gain a similar insight proves the worth of a post like this.

If anyone wondered why she's a Star Contributor, this is it. It's not because she's a better artist, it's because she helps others.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Tim2723]
      #530534 - 07/24/05 09:00 PM

Thanks Pat, I knew you'd eventually wander in.
Me write a book... you've got to be kidding!!
The only time I'd ever consider being included in a book is if a Publisher asked me to participate in a project, and guaranteed that 100% of the proceeds would go to the International Dark-Sky Association.

Thanks Tim, helping's good for the soul.
Truth be told, if you'd have asked me to do this tutorial a year ago, heaven only knows what it would have turned out to be. Probably advice on the best way to juggle pencils while starting from one corner of the paper and working your way down.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Redman]
      #531177 - 07/25/05 11:08 AM

Hi Carol,

I keep returning here to see this wonderful sequence of sketches. This tutorial of yours is a true inspiration and a continuing resource to astrosketchers everywhere. Its well written, straight forward, clear and sequential quality provides us all with a really fun and easy introduction to pencil sketching technique.

Your work is a joy to behold, so refined and beautiful are the final sketches you create.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Redman]
      #541531 - 08/02/05 03:20 AM

Thanks, Carol! Very interesting.

Maybe this has already been suggested, but a person could practice sketching using Rukl's atlas when the Moon isn't available.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Rich N]
      #542731 - 08/02/05 10:14 PM

Thanks! Can't recall if Rukl's has ever been suggested or not. The Apollo images are great to practice on, though. Lots of variety as far as fov, camera angles and features.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #544987 - 08/04/05 11:28 AM

I finally got a chance to apply Carol's technique on Plato last week. The sketch was made in morning twilight. I used a #2 pencil, blending stump, and kneadable eraser on 100# index card stock. The session was cut short by fog and the northern half of the sketch was not completed to my satisfaction, but I felt the spectacular shadows on the crater floor would be worth sharing.

Thanks again for the step-by-step, Carol. It helped a lot.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: cildarith]
      #545026 - 08/04/05 11:45 AM

Beautiful sketch, Eric.

Wow, those shadows alone are worth the effort though! You really show the influence of studying Carol's wonderful sketch tutorial, your shading is subtle and evenly applied.
Great sketch!

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: kraterkid]
      #545239 - 08/04/05 02:04 PM

Hooo, my goodness....that's absolutely beautiful, Eric!!!

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Erix]
      #545451 - 08/04/05 04:39 PM

Holy moly!!
Eric, that's drop-dead gorgeous!!!
You're more than welcome.. whew, that's a beaut!

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #545706 - 08/04/05 07:20 PM

Carol, Erika, and Rich: Thanks!


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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Redman]
      #557530 - 08/13/05 10:53 AM

Hi Carol, Your tutorial and sketches were great. The sense of depth in the sketch is impressive. Send us more!

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: coronamike]
      #558172 - 08/13/05 09:07 PM

Thanks Mike, glad you liked it!

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #570597 - 08/23/05 12:38 PM

Carol,

I truly appreciate the explanation. Still...looks like magic to me.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: gparkerson]
      #571690 - 08/24/05 01:41 AM

Thanks Gary!
I sure wish the pencils were magic wands.
Everyone would have clear, steady skies every night..
Without light pollution.


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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #579232 - 08/29/05 05:43 PM

I've unstuck this thread and added it to the "Best Of" listing.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: desertstars]
      #653068 - 10/22/05 07:36 PM

Better late then never. I finally have gotten around to read this, as I have been trying to figure out how to sketch the Moon. You make it seem so easy, well at least I have a logical way to approach it now, even while I make a mess of it. This artsy-crafty stuff is not up my alley, but it sure helps the eye to see.

Thanks for the lesson; I'll apply it no matter what the results.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Joe Osborn]
      #654757 - 10/24/05 03:14 AM

You're welcome Joe!

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #725075 - 12/11/05 11:27 AM

Carol i've been away for a while and when i finally get a chance to get back i get hit with this great tread! Wow thanks! What a come back! Work well done, funny to say but somehow that's what i have doing .. well a little... Still don't have your talent for shading but the idea is there and the important part for me is the fun of it.

@ Eric, what a sketch man! That is truely beautiful! Congrats!

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: DenisY]
      #726024 - 12/11/05 09:17 PM

Thank you and welcome back Denis, we missed you!
I hope you'll be able to stay for a while.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: desertstars]
      #1796184 - 08/23/07 07:10 PM

Quote:

I've got the detailed outline part down pat...




Carol, thanks for this most excellent step-by-step. As I am just learning to sketch at the eyepiece, articles like this (and your generosity in providing this article) are most welcomed and appreciated.

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: WadeVC]
      #1796842 - 08/24/07 12:46 AM

You're welcome Wade, I'm glad you find it helpful.

What makes this tutorial so unique is the fact that I have absolutely no background in art (well, not since those construction paper projects in grammar school, anyway). My technique was learned through trial and error right at the eyepiece, and in time I was able to pinpoint it down to six basic steps.
Keep it simple, I always say.

You don't even need art supplies, just use what you have. I started out with a plain #2 pencil and common computer paper. Four years later, I still use computer paper although I now use 4 pencils instead of one.

Wade, you and anyone else who wants to is more than welcome to download and save the collage of this tutorial which I've put in my CN gallery. For convenience, there are some condensed instructions included right on the image.

Best of luck, and most importantly, have fun!

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: Carol L]
      #2122269 - 01/15/08 02:01 PM

Carol, thanks for the tutorial! I think I'll print up your collage to use, at least my first few sketching attempts.

When finished, do you spray anything on the sketch to prevent unwanted smearing or smudging of the soft graphite?

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Re: Step-by-step Lunar sketching new [Re: proud uncle]
      #2123042 - 01/15/08 07:36 PM

You're welcome Kenneth, glad to be of help!

The only sketches I've ever needed to seal were a few experimental charcoal renderings, because they were rubbing off onto the backs of my other sketches. The graphite sketches were (and still are) doing fine.

The only thing Ace had on the shelf was Krylon's 'Matte Finish' spray and it worked good on the charcoal renderings although I don't think it's meant to be used as a sealant.

Hope this helped, and have fun!

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