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Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70
      #529968 - 07/24/05 02:01 PM

The April 2003 issue of Astronomy magazine reviewed about a dozen astro binos 60 to 80mm size. Author Phil Harrington ranked the Zeiss 15X60 BGAT, Fuji 16X70 and Nikon Astroluxe 18X70, One, Two, Three.

The Zeiss had a street price of nearly $2K USD when it was available. The Fuji is about $600 new, Nikon AstroLuxe $1145. To me the Fuji is not only an excellent astro bino but a current "best buy"

I do enjoy higher power binos with 70 deg or better APFOV. My 2003 Nikon binocular booklet lists the Astrolux 18X70 as having 72 deg APFOV( 210 ft@ 1000 yd). About a year ago Adorams had an overstock/closeout(?) sale of the Nikon 18X70 for $899. I came pretty close to click "buy it now" even though I already own two 20X80 binos.

Checked the Adorama web page again a few month ago and they list the 18X70 as having 3 deg/54 APFOV, price is back to $1145:

http://www.adorama.com/NK1870SP.html?searchinfo=Nikon%20astrolux%2018X70&item_no=1

I don't know if that's a mistake on the Adorama web site but could not retrive specs from the NikonUSA web page nor the Nikon Japan web page this morning. (not sure if it's my browser, Firefox)

Anyone thinking of getting the Astrolux 18X70 should call Nikno USA directly to verify the FOV. I would not want to pay nearly twice the price of the Fuji and get a narrower 54 deg FOV.

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: Erik D]
      #530043 - 07/24/05 02:52 PM

Erik ,

Markus Ludes claims the Nikon 18 x 70 has a 4 degree TFOV.

I doubt if HE would have got THAT wrong in his review !

Have a nice day !

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: KennyJ]
      #530118 - 07/24/05 03:46 PM

Nikon's own specs confirm this:
http://nikon.topica.ne.jp/bi_e/products/nature_d.htm#wpwf

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: Mark9473]
      #530282 - 07/24/05 05:26 PM

Thanks for the link and confirmation. I was not able the retrive the specs of the Astroluxe 18X70 earlier today.


KJ,

I don't doubt Markus had his facts right in his review. But his review was written a few years ago. When Adorama had their $899 closeout sales last year I thought it was possilbe Nikon decided to "improve" the edge shaprnesss of the Astroluxe by reducing the true FOV by 1 deg.

I myself would prefer a wide 72 deg APFOV and accept some trade off in edge sharpness. 2.2 deg FOV of the Takahashi 22X60 seem too confining for me.

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: Erik D]
      #530705 - 07/25/05 12:01 AM

Eric,

I think that Adorama made a mistake when posting that binocular on their web page. I have not seen the 18x70s listed anywhere else with those those specs. It is also not like Nikon to change something like that.

About 10 days ago I spent about an hour star gazing with a friend's pair of 18x70s at a dark sky/high elevation site and the views were great. I sold him that pair when I got my 15x60 Zeiss B/GATs two years ago. About four years ago when I still had the 18x70s I compared them to a pair of Takahashi 22x60s. The Taks were better in some respects but everytime I'd switched back and forth between them I was more impressed by the Nikons because of their really large true/apparent field. Ironically, now that I no longer have those 18x70s I'm thinking about the getting the 22x60 Taks because their 22x high power will be a more useful step up in power from my 15x binoculars than they were when I had 18x binoculars.

The Fujinon 16x70s are a little sharper towards the edge of the field than the Nikons and of course, they're available for about half the cost so they're a great buy. However, I do like Nikons a little better because of their 72 degree apparent field and the SP (ED) glass that they use with them is exceptionally clear and enjoyable to view through. The also make a very nice high power terrestrial binocular if they're mounted well.

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: John F]
      #531543 - 07/25/05 04:11 PM

I have a 5year old Nikon 18x70. 4 degrees is engraved on the prism back. I'd like to offer up a somewhat half hearted defence of this binocular, because I think it was underrated in the Harrington review. It is certainly overpriced and has all the aberrations I expect to see in an 18X binocular with an f/4 achromatic objective, but at a dark sky site it produces very spectacular picture window views. I bought it instead of the Fujinon for both the wider apparent field and the higher magnification, which I thought would result in darker sky backgrounds and higher contrast DSO’s. The criticism I’ve seen of its edge performance seems to me to come mostly from comparing it to other binoculars with narrower apparent fields. By binocular standards I think it actually has unusually good performance for a 72 degree field. The most serious problem at the edge is a generous amount of lateral CA which isn’t really apparent under a dark sky. IMO field curvature and astigmatism are actually pretty low considering the field width. There is also some barrel distortion but I don’t think is very noticeable looking at the sky. Stars become short lines at the edge from astigmatism, but they are so far off axis that I don’t notice unless I look directly at them. The general impression looking at the sky with a relaxed gaze concentrated toward the center is of an enormous flat field with star points virtually to the edge.

I don’t have a very high opinion of it as a terrestrial binocular, because in daylight the aberrations (particularly lateral CA) are too obvious for me to really enjoy using it. I find the same is true for every other high magnification big binocular with an f/4 achromat that I’ve seen. Close focus for my eyes is also about 170’. There seems to be a long standing uncertainty, even at Nikon, about whether this binocular uses so called “SP” glass. I was not able to get a straight answer about this from Nikon-USA when I bought my pair. Notice that the official Nikon designation includes “SP” for the 7x50 and 10x70, but omits that designation for the 18x70. I have my doubts that SP glass, even if it is present, actually does much. I have a 7x50 Prostar which is supposed to use it. I have compared its longitudinal CA to other 50mm binoculars without any special glass by boosting the magnifcation to about 56x and focusing on a white target in sunlight. In that test the Prostar actually appears to have slightly higher than average longitudinal CA compared to other similar binoculars.


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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: Henry Link]
      #531550 - 07/25/05 04:19 PM

IMHO after purchasing three Canon IS binoculars I would get more use out of the Canon 18x50's than the 18x70 Nikon Astroluxe and from reviews they say the 18x50's 67° AFOV is sharp to the edge.

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: Joe Ogiba]
      #531575 - 07/25/05 04:37 PM

Henry ,

Thanks for that ( very rare ) insight into the almost "mythical" Nikon 18 x 70 Astroluxe.

I've often wondered -- can it be TRUE what Markus wrote about Nikon claiming the ASTRO luxe was NOT recommended for ASTRO use -- but for terrestrial use ?

With individual eyepiece focus , and a closest focus of around 170 feet , it sound a little puzzling to me to say the very least .

A bit like giving the name " MARINE " to an opera glass :-)

I wish we heard from you more often Henry !

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: KennyJ]
      #531588 - 07/25/05 04:50 PM

Nothing to support the Nikon Astroluxe here, but just an FYI.

A pair of Fujinon FMT-SX 16x70 just went up for sale on Astromart for $425 shipped. That is an excellent price for a very good binocular. Somebody go make yourself happy.

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: KennyJ]
      #531594 - 07/25/05 04:56 PM

Quote:

I've often wondered -- can it be TRUE what Markus wrote about Nikon claiming the ASTRO luxe was NOT recommended for ASTRO use -- but for terrestrial use ?




Kenny, follow the Nikon link I posted a few messages higher up, and you'll see this confirmed (the symbols below the product name). Puzzles me too, and given these bins' name, not very credible - must be a mistake on the site. Then again, Nikon Japan doesn't call it "Astrolux", don't they...

If I recall Markus' review correctly (from memory), what he found missing was pinpoint sharpness, but that's a discussion we'll not open again.

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: Mark9473]
      #531616 - 07/25/05 05:10 PM

< If I recall Markus' review correctly (from memory), what he found missing was pinpoint sharpness >

Yes Mark , that is true -- but only applying to BRIGHTER stars-- he said that dimmer starts were " pinpoint "

I recall reading a review of Swarovski 15 x 56 SLC once in which the reviewer had precisely the same thing to say about THAT bino.

If true , I'm surprised Henry didn't mention it.

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: Mark9473]
      #532130 - 07/26/05 01:26 AM

Mark & Kenny

Nikon's marketing of the 18x70s has always been confusing. I first found a reference to this binocular back in 1997 on a Japanese Nikon website. They were touting it as a fine astronomical binocular that was great for comet observing (and it is). The 18x70s didn't become available in the US until 1999 and I may have got the first pair.

I don't know where Markus got the information that these binoculars were primarily for terrestrial or maritime use.

In most of Nikon's ads they have not listed these binoculars as having their "SP" glass. However, some of their more recent postings on it list it as having SP glass. Also, the fact that they borrowed the name from their 10x70 model (i.e., the "Astroluxe") and use it with the 18x70s indicates that it is primarily intended for astronomical use.

Its close focus for terrestrial use is 240 feet which certainly limits it. Nevertheless, with its large aperture, high power and very clear glass they do enable you to see far off detail very well. On several occasions I've been able to see climbers very clearly on the top crater rim of Mt. Saint Helens from a distance of about 5 miles away.

On a few bright stars the 18x70 do spike a little but it is not too bad in my opinion. The vast majority of the stars are pinpoints except out towards the last 20% of the field and even there they're not too bad. The bottom line is the overall view you get with them when you use them for astronomy is very impressive. The Nikon 10x70 Astroluxe binoculars are like their 7x50 Prostar cousins. That is there is no star spiking and they are very sharp towards the edge. However, they only have 51 degree apparent field. For astronomical use most objects/fields will look better (overall) in the 18x70s.

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: John F]
      #532191 - 07/26/05 04:42 AM

Hi John,

Quote:

Nikon's marketing of the 18x70s has always been confusing. I first found a reference to this binocular back in 1997 on a Japanese Nikon website.



http://nikon.topica.ne.jp/bi_e/history/history.htm
Acoording to this nice list, they were introduced in 1997, so you were very quick to pick up on them.

Quote:

I don't know where Markus got the information that these binoculars were primarily for terrestrial or maritime use.



I think I do:
http://nikon.topica.ne.jp/bi_e/products/nature_d.htm#spwp
See how for the 7x50IF SP WP and the 10x70IF SP WP there's an "astronomy" pictrogram below the title, and then read the second bullet point of the description. Now go half a page down and look for the same info on the 18x70.

Quote:

Also, the fact that they borrowed the name from their 10x70 model (i.e., the "Astroluxe") and use it with the 18x70s indicates that it is primarily intended for astronomical use.



yes, but I believe this to be a "Nikon USA" name, probably marketing-driven. Look again at the first link in my post; neither the 18x70 introduced in 1997, nor the 10x70 introduced in 1990, carry that name - at least on this Nikon Japan site.

Quote:

The bottom line is the overall view you get with them when you use them for astronomy is very impressive.



That I can absolutely believe, and it's all that matters!

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: John F]
      #532222 - 07/26/05 06:48 AM

Quote:

Its close focus for terrestrial use is 240 feet which certainly limits it.



Boy I'll say, all my large binoculars (RA-88-SA,25x100,20x80) and even my C9.25 with binoviewer can focus closer than 240 ft and the Canon 18x50 IS can focus as close as 19.7 ft.

Joe

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: Joe Ogiba]
      #532320 - 07/26/05 09:19 AM


Thanks for the warm welcome, Kenny. It seems to be hard to fully participate in more than one forum and still have a life. ;-)

I performed an experiment last night to try to determine just how “unsharp” bright stars look through the Nikon 18x70 compared to a reference quality image. I made up the reference by stopping down a Takahashi Sky-90 to 70mm and combining it with a Zeiss 25mm aspheric eyepiece to produce a 20x70 APO. I compared the image of Vega through it to one side of the Nikon 18x70. F/4 achromat vs f/7 APO. I don’t think anyone will be surprised to hear that the image was better through the Tak; color free and very tight. My 57 year old eyesight was probably the limiting factor. However the Nikon looked considerably better than I was expecting. There was of course some color and spiking, but less than I thought I would see. Compared to the Tak pupil centering was much more critical to see a reasonably tight symetrical pattern, but with the pupil centered I don’t think anyone would have called the image “unsharp” particularly by f/4 binocular standards. A little miscollimation might make it difficult to keep both pupils exactly centered.

The Fujinon 16x70, which I believe has the same or close to the same focal length objective might do slightly better in this comparison just because its magnification is lower. The Zeiss 15x60 might look better still from lower magnification, smaller aperture and possibly a different objective design. I haven’t seen the last 15x60 but Zeiss used to use air spaced doublets in their porro prism binoculars and the focal ratio could be higher than f/4.


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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: Henry Link]
      #532912 - 07/26/05 05:46 PM

< Thanks for the warm welcome, Kenny. It seems to be hard to fully participate in more than one forum and still have a life. ;-) >

The way things have been this last two or three nights , I think this equally applies to participating in ONE forum :-)

Nice to hear from you Henry !

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: John F]
      #539521 - 07/31/05 03:41 PM

About 10 days ago I spent about an hour star gazing with a friend's pair of 18x70s at a dark sky/high elevation site and the views were great. I sold him that pair when I got my 15x60 Zeiss B/GATs two years ago. About four years ago when I still had the 18x70s I compared them to a pair of Takahashi 22x60s. The Taks were better in some respects



Hi John
I've owned some Fujis as the 14x70 and 16x70and also Nikons including the IF WP 10x70 - recently I got a Tak 22x60 - I am really very and very impressed with their awesome high sharpness ( their limited AFOV don't bothers me) - I never had seen before (using high powered binoculars) some bright stars almost as pinpoint and with real colors. I read that you have the Zeiss 15x60 B/GATs and you looked also through the 22x60 - Could you tell me someting about their performance (Tak X Zeiss) ??

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: pedro]
      #540195 - 08/01/05 07:24 AM

Quote:


Hi John
I've owned some Fujis as the 14x70 and 16x70and also Nikons including the IF WP 10x70 - recently I got a Tak 22x60 - I am really very and very impressed with their awesome high sharpness ( their limited AFOV don't bothers me) - I never had seen before (using high powered binoculars) some bright stars almost as pinpoint and with real colors. I read that you have the Zeiss 15x60 B/GATs and you looked also through the 22x60 - Could you tell me someting about their performance (Tak X Zeiss) ??

Regards Pedro




I'll second Pedro on that point about sharpness and colour rendition of stars. To me they have that wow factor that the Fujis I have fall short of.

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: pedro]
      #540732 - 08/01/05 02:58 PM

Pedro,

I have not had a chance to directly compare the Zeiss 15x60s to the Takashashi 22x60s yet. However, I just received an email this morning that a pair of 22x60s that I recently ordered was shipping today so I should have them in time for some observing that I plan on doing next Saturday night at Mt. Rainier. So I will do another post on this topic early next week if the weather holds and our star party takes place as planned.

Also, if you check the binocular reviews section on Cloudy Nights you will see that Markus Ludes wrote a review of those two binoculars several years ago. I suspect that my opinion will be similar to his. That is, that each of these binoculars has advantages vis-a-vis the other for certain types of observing.

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Nikon 7x50 Prostar
Swarovski 8.5x42 EL SV
Zeiss 10x56 Night Owls
Nikon 10x70 Astroluxe
Zeiss 15x60 B/GAT

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Questar 3.5-Inch
Tele Vue NP127

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: John F]
      #541083 - 08/01/05 06:52 PM

Ok John

I believe you will be very impressed with your Tak - but it is (IMO) a bit more sensitive to the atmospheric condition than the Zeiss - They needs a good Sky condition to reveal all their capacity - I read the Markus reviews - I hope you can add something more.

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: pedro]
      #572077 - 08/24/05 12:28 PM

So, after my recent fiasco with the Vixen binoculars, I'm reconsidering the Nikon 18x70s. I just have an itch to try something new and I feel compelled to scratch it. The faults (although minor) I see with my Fuji 16x70's are (1) short eye relief and (2) 16x magnification (I'd prefer slightly higher).

This thread has been very interesting but I haven't seen #1 addressed. I believe the specs for the 16x70 Astroluxe show 16 mm eye relief, but I'm sure that is not "usable" eye relief. I was wondering if one of you that owns a pair has measured the eye relief or can give me a feeling how they do with glasses?

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: btschumy]
      #572301 - 08/24/05 03:16 PM

Quote:

after my recent fiasco with the Vixen binoculars, I'm reconsidering the Nikon 18x70s.




Hi Bill,

I was very sorry to hear about the Vixen's and thank you for your forthright review. I agree with Barry that TeleVue, a company known for outstanding quality, should be advised of this.

Regarding the Nikon 18x70's, I was actually on a notification list a couple of years ago because I thought they would nicely complement my 100mm binoscope. In all of my research I never turned up anything negative about the Astroluxe. Then I finally had to scratch my itch to try the Kowa's, the binoscope got sold and now 70mm seems too close to 82mm for me.

If you do get the Nikon's I'm sure many here will be anxious to read your impressions.

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: btschumy]
      #572349 - 08/24/05 03:56 PM

The 18x70 astrolux, only come with relative hard rubber eyecups, as opposed to the 10x70's that come with both the same hard rubber and batwings. the hard rubber will chew up 2-3mm of eye relief, and you may need to make a mod similar to what you did on your Fujis. Love the 18x70s. Another good glass to consider are the 25x80 steiners. Binoculars.com has them for $589 on closeout. 75 degree afov, downside is 13mm eyerelief.

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: gatorengineer]
      #572373 - 08/24/05 04:14 PM

Gator,

Thanks for the information. Any chance you could measure the usable eye relief with the hard eye cups in place?

I think the Steiner is out based upon eye relief.

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: milt]
      #572376 - 08/24/05 04:15 PM

Bill,

I just measured my 18x70 with a white card behind the eyepiece. Eye relief is just about exactly 14mm measured from the rim of the rolled down eyecup. With reading glasses pressed not too uncomfortably close against my face I can see the entire 72 degree field, but there is very little ER to spare.


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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: gatorengineer]
      #572380 - 08/24/05 04:17 PM

Amazon has the 25x80 Steiner's for $534.99 .

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: Henry Link]
      #572387 - 08/24/05 04:20 PM

My 18x70 came with both hard plastic (and useless winged rubber additions) and soft rubber roll down eyecups. The soft rubber eyecups for either the 7x50 Prostar or the 8x30 E (slightly shorter) will fit the 18x70.

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Re: Nikon Astroluxe XL 18X70 vs Fujinon 16X70 new [Re: Henry Link]
      #572399 - 08/24/05 04:30 PM

Henry,

Thanks for taking the time to measure. 14 mm is plenty for me. Food for thought.

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