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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #3441842 - 11/11/09 11:28 AM

For this longer document, can you include sources for your facts? For example, you toss around 45% and 50% and 75% rather liberally. Also, there are solid studies out there that challenge the "more light is better" notion for crime (the Chicago alleys study comes to mind). If I'm to present this to a serious audience, it needs more credence than being the opinion of Joe.

KD5NRH made an excellent recommendation in this thread of having a summary flyer or handout, either with this presentation or as a stand-alone product.


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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new [Re: Nightwise]
      #3441904 - 11/11/09 11:52 AM

Welcome to CN, especially our forum here!

Quote:

Also, there are solid studies out there that challenge the "more light is better" notion for crime (the Chicago alleys study comes to mind).




We would be more than pleased if you care to post these studies for all to have access to.

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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new [Re: csa/montana]
      #3443538 - 11/12/09 09:32 AM

The presentation is posted "in the public domain" so that YOU can download it and alter it as you see fit.

I really don't appreciate your comment "in Joe's Opinion". Morg and myself worked on this because nothing at all was available on the internet that could be used as a starting point for a presentation. SO------- get to work altering it and then repost your "improved" copy here.

PS- we already posted the link to the IDA brochures which you can download and print out -- see the previous link. These are tri-fold brochures on light pollution. Here is the link again:
http://www.darksky.org/mc/page.do?sitePageId=90127&orgId=idsa

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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #3443560 - 11/12/09 09:47 AM

As for some links-

Here are a few easily located in about 30 seconds of work using Google-

http://www.illinoislighting.org/

http://www.selene-ny.org/

http://www.darksky.org/mc/page.do?sitePageId=58880

http://www.starrynightlights.com/lightpollution/News/light_pollution_news.html

http://www.polcouncil.org/

http://articles.directorym.com/Light_Pollution-a941963.html

http://www.maltastro.org/lpag/guidelines.htm

http://www.econpower.com/energy_savings.html

http://www.tovinder.net/lighting/MasterNaturalistsPresentation_LightPollution.ppt

http://www.newtonma.gov/exec/NCR/may2007/lightson.html a good one

http://www.cityofirvine.org/about/econdev/energy_incentives/lighting_basics.asp and another good one

http://home.cogeco.ca/~richardastro2/Sarnia%20Savings.htm and actual savings in costs

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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #3443670 - 11/12/09 10:49 AM

Joe, just to clarify, you were replying to Nightwise, rather than me, wern't you?

Joe, you know we really appreciate the extensive work you (& Morg) did, in order to have something that others could use in a presentation! Your geneosity in sharing all your work with the CN members has helped many!

Thank you!

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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new [Re: csa/montana]
      #3443717 - 11/12/09 11:13 AM

Carol-- not to you. Sorry for that...... and thank you. Hopefully when the IDA and Illuminating Engineers final light pollution CODE is released we can post the link here.

Joe

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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #3443886 - 11/12/09 12:34 PM

Your endless work to better the night skies for all, is greatly appreciated, Joe!

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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new [Re: csa/montana]
      #3487508 - 12/06/09 09:58 PM

Here is Morg's Excel spreadsheet link to calculate lighting cost savings:

Just FYI-- he moved them on his web web site.
http://www.tombstonesky.com/observe/outreach/lp/street/

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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #3521596 - 12/25/09 08:33 PM

It's been about two (2) years, since anyone addressed this thread, so I don't know how things have progressed, since then ......

But, independently, I've come up with the idea of using shielded lighting ALONG WITH motion-detectors, so the SHIELDED LIGHTS will only come on when prompted by the motion detector !! Doubly efficient !!

Common sense tells me that these won't work in all applications, but I'm SURE they can be used in MANY applications !! I'm also sure that, as with many things, as we put them to practical use, we will "Fine tune" or "tweak" design so they are even MORE efficient, and have even GREATER application toward being used EVERYWHERE !!

My most prominent idea for use would be as common streetlights. Most streetlights are on one side of the road or another (some are in the middle of the road). The motion-detector on streetlights on EACH side of the road can be aimed UP the road toward approaching cars, so the light would come on BEFORE the car got there, and illuminate vision for the driver !! Of course, after the car moved on, the light would go out. WHAT A SAVINGS IN ELECTRICITY THIS WOULD ACCOMPLISH !!!

Of course, the lights would have to be kept in a "ready" state, to come on quickly, to make this practical (sort of like a pilot light, on a stove).

Any ideas, from anyone ?

Thanks,

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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new [Re: TheVegasViewer]
      #3522124 - 12/26/09 09:18 AM

Vegas-- the Germans are way ahead of us on your idea- read this:
http://blogs.discovery.com/news_sustainable/2008/12/streetlight.html

I agree motion sensor shielded LED lights would save bunches of money. Probably would not work in central city-- but WOULD WORK in the suburbs and smaller towns.


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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #3522314 - 12/26/09 11:34 AM

I have moved all of the light pollution documents and spreadsheet to ONE server. Please refer to these links to download all LP documents. These are all placed in the public domain by myself, and Morg, and may be copied, distributed, and altered as you may determine; to fit your local situation.

Don't forget that the International Dark Sky Association has other information sheets and hand-outs located on their web site: http://www.darksky.org/mc/page.do?sitePageId=58823

The CN light pollution document links are listed below:

www.wingsoverusa.com/CN_light_code.doc

www.wingsoverusa.com/lighting_code_model.txt

www.wingsoverusa.com/lpcharts.xls

www.wingsoverusa.com/lpcharts.doc
www.wingsoverusa.com/lpcharts.pdf

Please refer to the links above for the original presentation, model code, and Excel Spreadsheets to estimate energy cost savings. The last two links document the Excel Spreadsheets and are in two formats: as a PDF, and as a WORD document.

Also the IDA and the Illuminating Engineers will probably be releasing their LP suggested property CODE this next year(2010). This will give you another resource for local presentations on lighting code revision.

Clear Skies! Joe & Morg

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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #3610745 - 02/07/10 02:51 PM

Joe
You put together a great presentation and arguement. I have worked in the Sign/Lighting industry for years and have always pushed the benefits of energy savings to offset any fixture cost.
I have a problem with light pollution in my small town in Michigan and would like to be able to use your documentation if that's ok.
Great job!!

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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new [Re: turbo399]
      #3612341 - 02/08/10 10:11 AM

Guess I need to post this every few months-- the presentation and the Excel spreadsheets are in the public domain. Both myself and Morg have given permission. You may alter the presentation or change anything, and may freely copy and distribute. CHANGE anything to make it fit your local town council, or local situation.

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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation new [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #5498275 - 10/31/12 07:02 PM

New LINKS to the light pollution public domain documents. I have moved these to Dropbox-- here are the direct links:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/63104445/Light_Code_Presentation.doc

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/63104445/lighting_code_model.txt

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/63104445/lpcharts.doc

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/63104445/lpcharts.xls

Hope this helps you and clear skies to everyone.

Joe Lalumia

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Re: CN-- Lighting Code Presentation [Re: Joe Lalumia]
      #5553418 - 12/04/12 06:50 AM

Joe; ty....Ive been searching for a package I could show to my city council. Sadly the rest links througout the rest of this thread are apparently dead.
Accept the last four ,so Im saving them to my puter immediately, lol

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