|
KennyJ
The British Flash
Reged: 04/27/03
Posts: 20139
Loc: Lancashire UK
|
|
Two recent reviews have been added to the long disfunctional , Simpson Optics' Better View Desired web site
The new additions are written by different reviewers , who have taken over from the highly respected Stephen Ingraham .
The first one , contributed by Wayne Moses , covers the newer lightweight , 8x version of that top of the range 42mm Nikon roof prism model which seems to have more different names than it has serious competitors amongst the elite of the birding binocular market .
http://betterviewdesired.com/12-05/Nikon%20LX%20L%208x42.html
One of the celebrated models this lighter weight version was clearly designed to compete against ( along with the Swarovski EL and Leica Ultravid ) is the Zeiss *T*FL , whihc is reviewed here by Tom Lester .
http://betterviewdesired.com/12-05/Zeiss%208x42TFL.html
Whilst finding a return to ACTIVE SERVICE from such a long standing and invaluable source of birding optics information most welcome , and having enjoyed reading these two new additions , personally , I find the writing styles of BOTH reviewers to be displaying signs of being possibly overly influenced by that of their predecessor , Stephen Ingraham .
Stephen always DID err on the side of " diplomacy " and could certainly never be accused of having ever been condescending , but at least in his summarising , he always gave a strongish hint as to how highly he actually rated any particular model ( using his beloved Nikon 8 x 32 SE as a yardstick )
A major problem with there now being two independent reviewers is that such a system of measurement or points scoring system , however quaint and eccentric , has now been rendered virtually impossible .
So Tom Lester has officially announced the Zeiss 8 x 42 *T*FL to be the new " REFERENCE STANDARD " , whilst for all we know , he may not even have compared it side by side against the Nikon LXL , which has been praised so highly by a reviewer who , again , for all we know , has never tested the Zeiss .
And let's not forget the Leica Ultravid has it's fair share of supporters too -- not to mention those loyal and faithful owners of the Swarovski EL .
ANY optics review is almost bound by nature to contain elements of a subjective nature , and it is with an open mind and no suggestion of being any more discerning than the next observer that I feel inclined to comment about my humble disagreement with at least two points made by Wayne Moses in his Nikon LXL article .
In it , he mentions that when the heavier version of the model was first introducedin 1998 , as the VENTURER in the USA ( High Grade in the UK ) that it provided the BRIGHTEST image amongst it's competitors .
To MY eyes , it DID NOT and still does not , provide as BRIGHT an image as the Zeiss 7 x 42 classic , which has the advantage of using A.K roof prisms .
He also states that the Venturer , subsequently re- named , variously ( LX ) ( HG ) or ( Premier ) displays no more chromatic aberration than any of it's competitors .
I'm afraid I have to disagree about that too .
He DOES mention that the originally version was HEAVY .
With THAT , I will agree wholeheartedly , adding the prefix TOO .
Regards , Kenny
--------------------
Milton Wilcox R.I.P
|
mooreorless
Just worried
Reged: 07/05/05
Posts: 2248
Loc: Cornpropst Mills,Huntingdon,Pa
|
|
Kenny,These two reviewers that are on BVD sound like they might have some experience with optics,but it doesn't seem to come to the review of the items to me.Nothing to sink your teeth into or eyes upon.Just my opinion of course. Steve
-------------------- Regards,Steve M
|
ngc6475
Fearless Spectator
Reged: 03/02/02
Posts: 5024
Loc: 38°21'N 120°55'W
|
|
Yesterday I had the opportunity to try a Zeiss 8x42 FL for the first time. I did not have my Nikon 8x42 LX with me at the time, but I am prepared to make a few observations:
The views the Zeiss offers are brighter and it has a wider fov. The fov on the Zeiss, even by the admission of the owner, softens significantly toward the edge, perhaps a bit more than the LX. Eye relief is shorter with the Zeiss than the LX, but it isn't uncomfortable, even for an eyeglass wearer like me. The Zeiss shows little or no CA, while the LX exhibits mild CA in the 8x version and still more CA in the 10x model. I will not make any judgements regarding the FL's on axis sharpness vs. that of the LX until I have the opportunity to try them side by side, however.
Physically, the Zeiss is very light and easy to hold. The large focuser wheel is positioned conveniently for the index finger and diopter adjustment is made using a slick system involving the focuser. The focuser itself was a disappointment, unfortunately. It moved firmly but compared to the LX it was not nearly as smooth and I believed it exhibited a bit of backlash as it was moved back and forth. Furthermore, the overall build quality appeared, in my humble opinion, to be less impressive than I would have expected from the noble house of Zeiss. The only point given by the LX against the Zeiss, in terms of physical contruction quality and mechanics, is in the area of its weight, although my LX is the older style and the new models are said to be much lighter.
Altogether, the Zeiss is a marvel of fine optics in a less than completely satisfying package. In contrast, the Nikon's optics rank a notch below the Zeiss, but they come in a first class chassis. I suppose the moral is there is no perfect binocular, and in a contest between these two fine glasses, there are no losers.
-------------------- Walter
"There are nights when the wolves are silent and only the moon howls."
-George Carlin
|
ngc6475
Fearless Spectator
Reged: 03/02/02
Posts: 5024
Loc: 38°21'N 120°55'W
|
|
I suppose I should state the impressions of the FL and LX I posted above are intended to reinforce and support Kenny's opinions regarding BVD's rather flabby reviews. The quotes from BVD's reviews to which Kenny refers do not necessarily match my impressions of the FL, nor my more extensive experience with the LX.
-------------------- Walter
"There are nights when the wolves are silent and only the moon howls."
-George Carlin
Edited by ngc6475 (01/29/06 02:40 PM)
|
KennyJ
The British Flash
Reged: 04/27/03
Posts: 20139
Loc: Lancashire UK
|
|
Walter ,
What a timely co - incidence that you should have happened to have had the opportunity to spend a little while with the Zeiss 8 x 42 FL the very day before I happened to post this ! :-)
As always Walter , your opinion is highly valued by myself , and your honesty is much appreciated .
And your diplomacy rivals even that of the BVD team :-)
Isn't it strange , frustrating , yet somehow wonderful in a way , that not a single manufacturer seems able to get EVERYTHING right with their top of the range binoculars , in spite of some great advances over the past decade or so ?
Regards , Kenny
--------------------
Milton Wilcox R.I.P
|
ngc6475
Fearless Spectator
Reged: 03/02/02
Posts: 5024
Loc: 38°21'N 120°55'W
|
|
Regarding yesterday's good fortune, I visited a gentleman from whom I purchased a pair of binoculars and he graciously allowed me to use his Zeiss FL to my heart's content...along with his Leica 77 and Zeiss spotting scopes!
I've read a few expressions of disappointment and dissatisfaction regarding BVD's reviewing style on a birding forum, and these complaints stem primarily from the writers' lack of a firm position or a context within which comparisons can be drawn. For example, any statements regarding brightness, CA, and mechanical quality are meaningless unless there is some basis for comparison. In the above impressions, my opinion is the Zeiss is superior optically, but inferior mechanically to the LX. By reading BVD's reviews, however, the writer is so tentative in his conclusions, it seems as if he has never tried another binocular and has nothing against which to compare. I think it's that lack of commitment that leaves many readers wanting more.
-------------------- Walter
"There are nights when the wolves are silent and only the moon howls."
-George Carlin
Edited by ngc6475 (01/29/06 03:32 PM)
|
Steve Napier
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 05/10/04
Posts: 1559
|
|
I believe Fiske stated that the Nikon LX L showed more CA than the Nikon SE range. With this in mind,the Zeiss FL range is the clear winner in the CA stakes. Having owned a 7x42FL for nearly 18 months I can vouch for this. I like the ergonomics of the Zeiss 7x42FL every bit as much as the optical performance. The soft edges are not an issue as the field is a massive 8.6 degree"s. Its a binocular well worth aiming for. That was a good little comparison Walter. Steve.
|
|
0 registered and 40 anonymous users are browsing this forum.
Moderator: MMICKELS, okiestarman56
Print Thread
|
Forum Permissions
You cannot start new topics
You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled
UBBCode is enabled
|
Thread views: 573
|
|
|
|
|
|
|