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btschumy
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Got my Papilo 6.5x21's
      #559299 - 08/14/05 09:06 PM

I just received some Pentax Papilio 6.5x21 binoculars. I know they have been discussed a couple of times on this forum, but for those not familiar with them, they are close focus (1.5 feet!) butterfly binoculars.

I am really impressed with these guys, especially since they are only $110. I was out this afternoon in my backyard and watched a wasp probing a stem with its stinger. I wasn't sure if it was looking for prey or ovipositing (laying eggs). It was fascinating to watch at close range.

I found a host of interesting insects on the plants; many larval forms. Time to break out my insect identification keys.

There was a really cool moth called a Hummingbird Moth that was feeding at some Lantana. It was hard to believe it was a moth for it moved and sounded for all the world like a hummingbird.

The Papilios are well collimated and reasonably sharp across the the field. There is some barrel distortion, but it is minor. With the twist up eyecups in the "down" position, I just barely have enough eye relief to see the field stop while wearing my glasses. I would be happier with another mm of eye relief, but I'm not complaining.

They function well as regular distance binoculars in addition to their close up work. I think these will be a regular companion on my outings. They weigh only 10.2 oz so they are almost "not there".

They come with a nice soft case that is actually more of a pouch. The case has a belt loop so you can carry them on your hip while hiking. Highly recommended.

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Joe Ogiba
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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: btschumy]
      #559360 - 08/14/05 09:39 PM

Bill,

I love my pair and use them handheld 99% of the time but they fit perfect on my Cullmann ball head if I want them on a small compact tripod. They are a great travel binocular since they are so small and light.

Joe

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btschumy
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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: Joe Ogiba]
      #559385 - 08/14/05 10:01 PM

Joe (or anyone else),

Have you figured out how to remove the neck strap? The strap ends kind of snap into a keyhole shaped slot. Once in I haven't been able to remove them again. I fear it may be a one-way operation.

I was just out looking at the Moon with them. When using them handheld I could not detect any CA on the lunar edge. Of course, it was at only 6.5x so the CA band would be pretty narrow. Anyway, it's another nice feature of these beauties.

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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: btschumy]
      #559421 - 08/14/05 10:43 PM

Bill, I have not tried to remove them.

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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: Joe Ogiba]
      #559455 - 08/14/05 11:14 PM

to remove strap , push in area below the strap .you,ll find it pushes in . then push he strap tpward it [to the objective] end .then it pulls out . hope you can understand my instructions.
brian


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Bill Huot
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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: btschumy]
      #559480 - 08/14/05 11:42 PM

Quote:

Have you figured out how to remove the neck strap? The strap ends kind of snap into a keyhole shaped slot. Once in I haven't been able to remove them again. I fear it may be a one-way operation.




On Pentax's Canadian website it describes one of the features of the Papilio as: "Neck strap with a quick installation/removal mechanism." So there must be some easy, non-intuitive way to get the strap off.

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Captain's Helmsman 7X50; Minolta 10X50
Pentax Papilio 6.5X21
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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: Bill Huot]
      #559629 - 08/15/05 05:31 AM

just got my 6.5 papilios too. Spent a long time at store comparing them against pentax ucf wp 8x25 compacts, and found that the resolution and image quality (naturalness of view, brightness) was just so much better in the papilios, the focus (gearing and smoothness) was more of a pleasure to use, and up-close focussing hinted at that nice snap you get with high-end gear (i refer to swarovski bins). I was just too impressed to resist. You don't have to question my sanity when i pointed these little things at the night sky (how on earth could i resist?), and they were actually quite sharp, and , agreeing with Bill T, no observable CA - surely a sign of pretty good optics.
In all, may i just say that i think the papilios are grossly underpriced for the level of performance provided. i am amazed with them.


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btschumy
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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: ]
      #560518 - 08/15/05 07:15 PM

With further use of my Papilios I have noticed one slight negative. The eye lenses do not appear to have AR coatings, or if they do, they are marginal.

I often notice a slight reflection in the eye that is nearest the light source This arises because I wear glasss to observe and the gap lets light reflect off the lens and into the eye. I would imagine this would not be an issue if I didn't have glasses and the twist-up eyecup were extended.

However, despite this minor deficiency, they are a wonderful instrument.

I was just watching some sort of bug (a Homopteran) sucking juices from a stem. As it was doing so it continually, explosively shot out liquid from its posterior. This is the water left over after extracting the nutrients from the sap. Quite fascinating. I never would have noticed this without the Papilios.

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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: btschumy]
      #561204 - 08/16/05 10:45 AM

I purchased a pair of these a couple of weeks ago, and agree that they are impressive little binos for the money. I think I've had more "FUN" with these than any other pair I've had in the last 30 years. Close focus is excellent, and there is a whole other "macro-world" out there to be explored.

Bryant


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Bill Huot
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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: ]
      #561650 - 08/16/05 03:54 PM

All of this discussion has inpired me to order a pair. (I found a local store that carry's the 8.5, but not the 6.5.) I like bugs, but it was mention of the ability to see stuff in display cases that really got my attention.

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Bill

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Captain's Helmsman 7X50; Minolta 10X50
Pentax Papilio 6.5X21
Couch Potato Binocular Mount
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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: Bill Huot]
      #561747 - 08/16/05 05:06 PM

So who is going to be first amongst you to attempt a Messier Marathon Papilo - style ? :-)

Kenny

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btschumy
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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: KennyJ]
      #561768 - 08/16/05 05:23 PM

Well, there is M6, the Butterfly Cluster...

I've seen a large percentage of the M's through 8x32's so using 6.5x21's isn't too far fetched. You can bet I will have them at my side during my next few outings just to see how dim I can go with them.

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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: btschumy]
      #561785 - 08/16/05 05:34 PM

Has anyone tried the 8.5 version?

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btschumy
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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: stepchild]
      #561804 - 08/16/05 05:48 PM

In an earlier thread someone indicated they had tried the 8.5x version. They said it was a bit harder to hold steady and, of course, the view was somewhat dimmer due to the increased magnification. For their intended use the 6.5x seems to be plenty of power.

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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: btschumy]
      #561816 - 08/16/05 06:04 PM

Any plans for a 5x version in the future , anyone know ?

Kenny

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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: btschumy]
      #561824 - 08/16/05 06:11 PM

Thanks for the info.

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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: stepchild]
      #561855 - 08/16/05 06:35 PM

Don't know about a 5x version, but Bill is right, the 6.5 is brighter than the 8.5 by a noticeable degree, not to mention a wider FOV. In a side-by-side, the 6.5 was my preferrence. Being a coin collector too, these should work well for looking closely at coins inside the cases at coin shows, a "long-range loupe" if you will. I was actually surprised at all of the possibilities with these little glasses due to their 20 inch close focus. Taking a close look at jewelry items on the flea market circuit might be another possibility too. The kids love these little things too, since most of them are just as interested in what is close up as in what is off in space. How many kids have you ever known that didn't like looking at bugs ?

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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: ]
      #561867 - 08/16/05 06:47 PM

Bryant ,

This is why I'm asking about a 5x version.

A 5x version would have a 4mm + exit -pupil ( brighter image than the 6.5x ) and a WIDER TFOV , and possibly be designed to have even SHORTER close - focus ( possibly down to around 12 inches ) than the 6.5x .

< How many kids have you ever known that didn't like looking at bugs ? >

Unfortunately I have not kept a detailed count of these , but from memory , I would estimate around 20 - 25 :-)

Regards , Kenny

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Bill Huot
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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: stepchild]
      #561872 - 08/16/05 06:52 PM

Quote:

Has anyone tried the 8.5 version?




I tried a pair for a few minutes in the store. Close-up focussing on things in the cabinet was fun. The view out the window was OK, but my general impression was that it wasn't as good as in my Nikon 10X25 Sportstar (which is roughly in the same price range, but doesn't have the close focus). But my main impression was from the blackouts induced by the tiny exit pupils (which I also get from the Nikons).

I'll post a terrestrial and astonomical comparison to the Nikon's when I get my new Papilio 6.5 X 21.

Edited by Bill Huot (08/17/05 03:35 AM)


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Re: Got my Papilo 6.5x21's new [Re: KennyJ]
      #561881 - 08/16/05 07:00 PM

It's interesting the most people here seems to valuate the 6,5x version to be more suitable than the 8,5x. I asked a swedish dealer why they advertise the 8,5x and not the 6,5x. The answer was that the most people ask for higher magnification. It's typical that folks who don't know much about optics think that higher power is always better...

Patric

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