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Please note: the Terms
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are subject to change
The registration form is at the bottom of this page after the
As the TOS has grown over the years of forum operation, it has been
decided it might be helpful to include a short summary of the
expectations of the users - an executive summary if you will. Simply
put, the following behavior is expected from users:
- Play Nice
- Be Polite
- Be Honest
- Respect other members & the administrators and moderators who
are working to keep this board a useful resource.
Above all, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
The entirety of the TOS (which follows) flows out of those simple
Appropriate posting practices:
The Cloudy Nights forums are a family oriented discussion board. As
such, the following guidelines are in place to support this philosophy:
Topics of a sensitive nature or that are not appropriate for someone at
least the age of 14 years old will be removed and the poster asked to
post them elsewhere.
No profanity (this includes certain religious profanes); with regard to
cartoon swearing, it is explicitly left to the discretion of the
moderators to decide if something is indecent and thus a violation of
the family friendly provisions of the TOS.
Posts that are not respectful of other individuals (be they members or
not) are not welcome here.
Vendor disagreements should be dealt with via the vendor - we don't
want to be used as leverage. Attempts to use the forum in such a
fashion will be subject to immediate removal at moderator discretion.
Feel free to discuss things here, but please don't beat it to death.
Stating your viewpoint once, on-topic and in a civil manner, in a
thread is sufficient.
While we don't have any problem with anyone spending time anywhere
they'd like, we'd also ask that you not join our forums for the purpose
of harvesting our user base to setup a competing site. That's simply
not good nettiquette.
Thread hijacking is the act of trying to steer a web forum discussion
thread off topic by discussing a subject entirely unrelated to the
subject at hand. While this can be an intentional act of trolling, it
is often accidental - caused by other participants in the discussion
responding to a throwaway remark, taking the thread off at a tangent to
the original subject matter. The results, whilst sometimes humorous or
otherwise interesting, often provoke a feeling of resentment from the
author of the original post. Intentional thread hijacking will not be
tolerated, and the intent will be left to the discretion of the
Posts with the intent of “creating a reaction” are not welcome here (no
Especially be aware that posts involving sensitive topics like global
warming, taxes, religion, politics or lifestyles could be considered
“hot button” topics depending on their content and perceived intent.
This is a judgment call the moderators of the forum will make. Please
exercise your best judgment before posting.
When posting a new thread, please post it only once in the appropriate
forum. Posting an identical thread in multiple forums is not allowed
without permission, and duplicate threads may be deleted. If you are
unsure of which forum would be appropriate, please feel free to contact
a moderator for advice. 'For Sale' posts should be placed only in Shop
& Swap or the Vendors forum, whichever is appropriate for you.
Posting from other sites, and copyright and privacy
Please do not copy e-mails, articles, pictures or posts from
publications or from other online sites unless you are the owner of the
material or have received explicit permission from the owner to do so.
This permission must be included in your post. Using another person's
work without permission is, at the very least, poor netiquette, and is
not permitted on this forum. A summary or short quote is allowed
without permission, but you must include the identity of the original
source. The best way to direct fellow CN members to material you have
found is to simply include a link, when possible, in your post.
Posting of NASA/NOAA images and the images of other government agencies
is permitted in context provided the following conditions are met: 1)
The respective agency permits that sort of use for the photo, 2) the
photo is clearly labeled/credited, and 3) a link is provided to the
site from which the photo was obtained.
Please respect others privacy and do not post e-mails or PM's without
the express permission of the other party/parties involved. This
includes e-mails from non-CN members.
Sensitive topics and common courtesy:
No posts of a political nature.
For many, the question is “what is a sensitive topic” and what “isn’t
appropriate for a 14 year old”. Creating such lists would be a
Herculean chore. The judgment of the moderators will be relied on to
make these calls.
Above all – the “golden rule” applies. Treat others as you would like
to be treated. Personal attacks will not be tolerated, nor will other
behavior deemed to be antisocial.
As a community member, each of you is asked to lighten the load of the
moderators. Think before you post. If in doubt, push away the keyboard
for 10 minutes and then come back to your posting.
Cloudy Nights is a free service and the right is reserved to deny
service at any time to anyone.
Think before you post. Once posted, things generally get left in
perpetuity. Please ensure that you are comfortable with how your post
reflects on you as a person.
Please note, that because of the threaded conversation-like nature of
discussion boards, the right is reserved to refuse a user's request for
a mass delete of their own posts. Thus if at some point in the future
you choose to unsubscribe from our boards, be aware that your posts
You are asked to post no personal information (real name, e-mail, etc.)
concerning another person (whether or not a CN member) without that
person’s express written permission.
Your user account is just that - your user account. It should remain
personal and private. If there is reason to believe that an account is
being "shared", the right is reserved to immediately delete that
account and may or may not notify the user depending on the
circumstances. With very few exceptions, only one account is permitted
Links to vendor sites are not allowed in sig lines. Exception - vendors
are allowed to post links to their own sites in their sigs.
If you join this board as a astro vendor, we require that the business
you represent be an astronomy related business, with the majority of
items for sale being related to astronomy.
No posts containing links to sites from which the poster can make a
profit - unless specifically requested by other users. Exception:
Vendors may have one (and only one please) link to their site in their
signature line if they identify themselves as a vendor.
Vendors are expected to act professionally and are held to a high
standard when posting. The right is reserved to take corrective action
deemed appropriate by the administrators and moderators, including but
not limited to deletion of posts, temporary or permanent bans, and loss
of rights to free advertising.
Vendors, please be aware that product pushing will also be considered a
violation of the TOS. Sending unsolicited private messages (PMs) to
users is also forbidden and considered spam.
Vendors posting under alternate identities to market their products
will be banned for life from the Cloudy Nights forums.
In addition, vendors/manufacturers are to refrain from commenting on
their competitor’s equipment (directly or indirectly). Please restrain
your comments to products you manufacture or resell.
Vendors and Swap & Shop
As of 6/23/08, CN members who are tagged as vendors may buy or sell
equipment intended for personal hobby use in Swap and Shop, but please
note that they may not buy or sell equipment that will generate a
profit for them as vendors. This means that vendors may not post ads
for products they offer - no sale announcements, no blems - or respond
to want ads with gear from inventory. Gear offered for sale or
responses to want ads must be gear owned and used by that member
personally; wanted ads must be intended for that member's personal use.
Please note that violations will be determined by the mods/admins, and
vendors who violate this rule will lose their S&S privileges
and potentially their membership at Cloudy Nights.
Practicing Safe Astronomy:
Be Aware! CN will not allow posts dealing with the modification of
potentially harmful devices such as green laser pointers, PST's, etc.
While the results of a modified GLP or PST may seem attractive, the
possible adverse consequences are deemed significant. Any posts dealing
with these types of modifications, or linking to sites which feature
them, may be removed by the moderator.
In the interest of promoting safe astronomy, any discussion of lasers
& modules above 5mW is strictly forbidden on the CN forums.
This includes links to sites that openly sell or distribute laser
pointers & modules above the 5mW limit. Such posts and links
will be subject to immediate removal.
Data storage and logging in:
In addition please be aware that computer resources are - like on any
system - not unlimited. Periodically users who have not logged in for
an extended period of time will be deleted, as well as old personal
messages - the time frame for this is usually 180 days, but that may
vary. You are encouraged to back up any information you may receive via
PM to your own machine if you wish to keep it for an extended period of
TOS violations; TOS modifications:
Violation of any of these rules may result in an immediate ban, and
removal of the offending post. CN will usually attempt to notify you of
a ban or post edit by means of a personal message – for this reason it
is strongly suggested you have PMs forwarded to your e-mail account
and that you maintain a valid e-mail account with us.
The CN TOS is a living document and subject to change. It is
recommended you look at it frequently, and if you have any questions
about the TOS, contact us for clarification.
Unless explicitly stated otherwise, the TOS takes precedence over any
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