In my 8" dob, from my suburban-rural location, I can see some details. I can see both galaxy cores, and I can see a faint disk around the larger core, almost touching the fainter core. There may be some brighter and darker stretches within that disk, but I have relatively low confidence in that observation. (I mean, I'm sure that they are really there, but I'm not particularly sure that I've seen them). I'm in the more distant suburbs of Philadelphia, and this was on a couple of good nights last month, with good darkness, transparency, and seeing.

Keith