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I think even these figures are generous. The lowest I've seen was M4 with my 12". It was at ~3 degrees, and quite faint. Not quite averted, but not a steady object.

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One of the funny ones I have is Messier 8 at an altitude of 3° 49' with the sun only -11° below horizon the horizon. And it wasn't all that bad!

/Jake

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Wow I was doubting if M8 was within reach at all. Must have been exciting to horizon hug. The viewing position like that tends to be quite comfortable.
This april, the lowest I got from that region was M17 at about 10 degrees, sun -11 as you had. I was pretty stunned, it was gorgeous.

You wouldn't happen to have a sketch of M8?