Yes, I know this is a cheap way to try to get what I want, and I know I really need 2" EPs. But I'm just getting started with the 8 SE and want to find out what I *really* want/use before putting much coin into it. I figured the quality of these two pieces was good enough to get a small taste. There is the other issue that I'm nowhere near any even moderately dark sites, so too much FOV can be a hindrance...a balancing act that I'll have to better determine. I don't want any $500 EPs that I only get to use maybe once a year.