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Has anyone ever have an observatory hit by lightning? If so, what happened? Also what measures has anyone taken to protect from lightning? |
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We get bad electrical storms here, but so far no hits. Interesting question! |
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The Supernova Search Telescope (SNST) at McDonald Observatory was hit by lightning years ago, and all the drive computers and motor control electronics were completely destroyed. Lightning rods extending above the building would have helped draw the leader stroke away from the building, but there were none installed. Surge protectors might have helped as well, but at the voltage and current transients present in lightning, it's impossible to know whether surge protection can be 100% effective. Better to draw the leader away from the building to begin with. The Lightning Protection Institute at http://www.lightning.org/ is an excellent resource for educating yourself on lightning protection and companies that sell equipment. The National Lightning Safety Institute at http://www.lightningsafety.com/ is also a great site for learning about lightning and protection from it. Google on "lightning protection" and you will find several suppliers, such as http://www.lightningrodparts.com/ and http://www.harger.com/ As you can tell, I've looked into this myself. We live on a hillside NW of Fort Worth TX and get an uncomfortable number of lightning hits here (see attached photo from my back porch, taken with a wide angle lens, not a telephoto!) I am going to put up lightning systems on both my house and observatory. I bought a Paramount and nice fast PC control computer for my various scopes to ride on, and am building my 16'x18' rolloff, so protecting my very costly electronics is "paramount" in my mind! Mike |
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Nothing I know of will protect electronics from a direct lightning strike. For the power line surges caused by a strike nearby, consider powering the mount and associated gadgets from a UPS with a built-in isolation transformer. The isolated UPS essentially acts like a mini power station where all of the lines, including ground, are separated from the outside world. In my observatory I have a separate AC circuit from the UPS with outlets for the pier, the network router, and the PC. |
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As Mike stated there are companies that make lightning dissipation rods. These look like giant pipe cleaners. I've seen them on sailboats for years as well as barns out in the country. A gentlemen down in Maryland a few years back with a home dome 6 took a direct hit. It fried everything inside the observatory. He was running all Astro Physics equipment as well. I saw the OTA at a company in Maryland and it was destroyed. The kicker is the guy is a local weather forecaster. OUCH. Something else to consider is the application of rebar used in concrete piers. It was told that lightning can effect your equipment even if it is a nearby ground strike. The strike could follow through the ground and make easy contact with the rebar thus causing a host of issues. Just a couple thoughts. Clear skies, |
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Quote: Good post...great picture. |
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Quote: All my lightning issues have been a result of induction due to ground strikes. |
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I have the same experience as Marcus. Marcus may even remember that a few years ago I had a nearby ground strike that fried everything in my observatory. Plugged in or not everything was smoked. |
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I have a question about lightning. My observatory has the wiring with wall plugs, but I use 2 extension cords to power those wall plugs. When I'm through observing for the night I unplug the extension cords and put them away. If lightning were to hit nearby or even directly onto the obs, would the equipment plugged into the unpowered wall plugs be vulnerable? It sounds like the equipment doesn't even have to be plugged in to be in danger. If that's so, how does one really protect their equipment? |
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This is a pretty good article on electrostatic discharge Although this may not answer any of your questions. IMHO, you can not protect any sensitive electronics completely from lightning. It is good practice to unplug both ends of all your cables when a lightning storm is in the area. Also you should have a very detailed insurance policy. Also to clarify my previous post, nothing was connected to an AC source. My mount, and camera were connected to my laptop and my laptop was connected to my LAN. My guess was that the LAN connection did the dirty deed and fried my gear. The laptop was not powered on at the time. |
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Quote: GET A UPS! It is the best protection you can get. Nothing will help if you get a direct hit as already stated. But a UPS is excellent insurance. I have one in my shop and have my computer/cash register and my stringing machine hooked to it as well as in my obs.. David |
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Yes - agree on the UPS, and surge protector upstream from the UPS if it doesn't have one as part of its circuitry. Also, make sure all electrical outlets and junction boxes are grounded right at the observatory. An 8' copper grounding rod should be pounded down into the ground right next to the building, and all the ground and neutral wiring should be connected directly to that local earth ground. Don't rely on a remote grounding rod to carry the discharge away - it won't all go over there. Disconnecting from the line power or UPS is a good start, but when the main lightning discharge forks into several paths as it seeks ground, some of those paths could still pass through the air into equipment. I have witnessed secondary sparks over three feet long jump between farm equipment back in my more rural days on the old cotton farm! Storing laptops, etc. in a well-grounded copper-screen enclosure (termed a Faraday cage) when not in use greatly improves their probability of survival after a lightning hit. The current conducts around the laptop to ground rather than passing through it. It's not practical to store a Paramount or other tracking mount in a copper box, so it's still best to try to draw the leader away from the building altogether, to the extent possible anyway. Mike |
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Quote: If the circuit comes from an existing circuit breaker panel that already has a service disconnect then bonding grounds and nuetrals here may be a code violation. I don't have my book here now to double check but I think there is an issue. As for driving a rod? Yes sir to that and a UPs. Also, you can bury a rod horizontally as well as drive it. |
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Grounding can also be achieved with a ground Plate... buried min 24" below grade. Use #6 bare conductor. Lightning strikes create Voltage Gradients, radiating from point of contact. Proper bonding & grounding are some of the best first steps for protection. |
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Yeah, please check that if you can; I think I'm OK but it never hurts to check. I thought if I'm earth grounding on both ends it was OK to tie grounds and neutrals to the same bus bar. On the grounding rod, as much as I'd like to ditch it horizontally, the local code here says the ground rod has to be driven in vertically to get down to moisture for better conduction. Something else to check on. Not meeting code means not getting reimbursed by insurance companies! Thanks, Mike |
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Quote: It is not okay to have two earth grounds in this instance. There can easily be a difference in electrical potential between the two. Differing ground potentials can cause some flaky effects. It is indeed against code here in Northeast USA and probably in most of the country since most codes are 'standardized' now. Your outlying observatory box should be such that the neutral and ground busses are separate. These are then combined back in the main box. Some subpanels have busses that are made to be separated, some do not. Just check before you buy. dan |
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I agree with Dan here. What would need to be done is to remove the bonding screw from the neutral buss, or not install it if it was loose with the panel, and purchase a grounding bar to use in addition to the neutral buss. Mike may have soil-ground-moisture issues out there in Texas. Generally here in the northeast we do not have those problems, though I do not know what they do on the barrier islands. Unless otherwise prohibited by the local authority, burying a rod is the same as driving one. In many cases where the service is buried, the back filled trench serves this purpose well. |
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OK - so install a separate earth ground copper rod at the observatory but only attach all the grounds, boxes, etc. to it and leave the neutrals on a separate non-grounded bus bar in the observatory - right? The neutrals would be tied to the ground bus bar at the main breaker box but not at the observatory? Mike |
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Quote: Mike, thats the way I have mine setup. I originally had my neutral bonded to the ground (like I have in my house), and the inspector told me I had to remove the bonding screw. I also used two grounding rods 8' apart. |
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Quote: I wouldn't, Mike. There is still the possibility of differing ground potentials and the havoc that they can cause. You realize, of course, that having a ground rod at the observatory offers virtually no protection from a lightning strike. You could spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a Faraday cage linked to huge, buried copper plates and still lose your equipment to a lightning strike. I believe that you would be better off wiring your observatory according to code and following the easy, practical suggestions: unplugging equipment, using UPS, etc. Most important would be making sure that you're covered by insurance. This is a case where Mother Nature can trump any of Man's efforts to thwart her. dan |
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Quote: Quote: The best bet is to check the code for your location. Here in the county I live in, the grounding rod is requiered for an outbuilding that has electrical service to it. |
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