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Joepie
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Why no Nikons?
      #5899082 - 06/03/13 06:47 AM

Hello CN,

I'm thinking about buying a Nikon D3200 for astrophotography. The sensor of the D3200 is one of the best APS-C sensors according to DxOMark and way better than the sensor of the Canon 600D or 1100D. Then how come almost everybody uses Canon DSLR's? Is it because the star-eater noise correction that older Nikons had? Or because of BackyardEOS? Or because a Canon DSLR is easier to connect to a computer?

Apart from that, I only see advantages when comparing the D3200 to the 600D and 1100D. Bigger (1.5 against 1.6 crop), more sensitive, higher dynamic range and more and smaller pixels. Can anybody explain to me why astrophotographers seem to yield better results when using Canon DSLRs eventhough Nikon's DSLRs (D3100 and especially D3200) have better sensors?


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: Joepie]
      #5899095 - 06/03/13 07:06 AM

Newer Nikons are great for astrophotography.

The D5100 and D7000 for instance uses a Sony sensor and these are awesome. I think you nailed with when you said lack of software; this will change over time I'm sure as more and more people are venturing in AP with Nikons.

A word of caution however with the Nikon D3xxx series. The D3100 and D3200 CAN NOT be controlled via software, Nikon has no software development kit (SDK) for these models.

If this were me I would get the D5100 for not much more than the D3200.

Hope this helps,

Guylain


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: Joepie]
      #5899108 - 06/03/13 07:31 AM Attachment (17 downloads)

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: Joepie]
      #5899137 - 06/03/13 08:00 AM

Hi Joeple,

I think one of the other reasons is because Canon is supported by a large user base and also a large supply chain for accessories. For instance, Baader and Hutech make a number of widgets for Canon that make imaging easier, but not much of anything for Nikon. A couple of examples would be the Baader EOS DSLR T-ring that allows the use of 2" filters without adding back focus to the optical train. The other is the Hutech Off axis guider designed for Canon. The other thing is that it's nice to have a larger user base that can give advice and techniques while on the learning curve.

All those little things add up to make it easier to use Canon vs Nikon.

Patrick

Edited by Patrick (06/03/13 09:17 AM)


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: Patrick]
      #5899292 - 06/03/13 10:03 AM

I've heard Nikon no longer sells replacement parts either. If you need replacement parts, you MUST to take it too a certified repair center now. That has upset quite a few people.

Canon kills Nikon when it comes to software to control the camera. (Backyard EOS, APT, etc)


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: dcbrown73]
      #5899309 - 06/03/13 10:13 AM

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more and smaller pixels




This is not a factor for Astrophotophy as you can end up over sampling for your FL and seeing conditions. Plus smaller pixels are less sensitive


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: Tonk]
      #5899362 - 06/03/13 10:45 AM

I agree with what Guylain said. Get a D5100. This has been discussed numerous times on this forum. The Sony sensor that they use are one of the best for astrophotography. I use one and there is currently enough software for astrophotography and more is being developed all the time. One of the best pieces of software backyardeos is currently being re-written for Nikons. Should you ever want it modified - Brent Oliver a member of Cloudy Nights will do an excellent job.

Canons were the only viable alternative for years and more people are comfortable with and understand Canons. However, with some of the recent changes made by Nikon, they have become a viable alternative. I think competition is great and look forward to even better DSLR's from both companies.


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: TimN]
      #5899485 - 06/03/13 11:57 AM

Currently I am testing a Nikon D40x full sprectrum modded. Major draw back is no computer control. On the plus side is that you use a IR remote for bulb pictures. I don't have a cable dangling and pulling the telesocpe. William

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: WillCarney]
      #5899504 - 06/03/13 12:07 PM

William, you can use a Nikon D40X with full computer control. You need a special cable from Shoestring astronomy and the free program DSLR Shutter to take pictures longer than 30 seconds. You can also use the program TetherPro which will automatically pick up the images from DSLR Shutter and bring them into your computer. You can also use TetherPro to remotely control many of the camera functions. It also aids in focussing and has a histogram. Of course, this will all be made easier with the release of backyardnik, later this year.

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: TimN]
      #5899528 - 06/03/13 12:18 PM

For a long time the folks at Canon have acknowledged that the amateur astronomy community exists as a market segment and have incorporated several elements that have made their cameras and software astronomy-friendly. I'm not so sure about any of the other manufacturers. Also, I wouldn't say that there are no Nikons, just fewer of them, at least here in the CN DSLR forum. In a Prior Age (35mm film) the sand box was a bit bigger, though Olympus (OM-1, 2 and 10) and Pentax (K-1000) seemed to be fairly common.

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: jgraham]
      #5899711 - 06/03/13 01:35 PM

Quote:

Newer Nikons are great for astrophotography.

The D5100 and D7000 for instance uses a Sony sensor and these are awesome. I think you nailed with when you said lack of software; this will change over time I'm sure as more and more people are venturing in AP with Nikons.

A word of caution however with the Nikon D3xxx series. The D3100 and D3200 CAN NOT be controlled via software, Nikon has no software development kit (SDK) for these models.

If this were I would get the D5100 for not much more than the D3200.

Hope this helps,

Guylain



Sure does. I see that the D3200 isn't supported by Tetherpro as well. What about the D5200? Does it have an SDK?

@ mmalik:
I think the 60Da is too expensive. Furthermore, I want to remove and replace the filter myself.

@ Patrick: True that, however I thought that there are replacement filters for Nikon's DSLRs as well (astronomik?)

@ dcbrown73: That's good to know.

@ TimN: The D5100 is an option, however I'll probably buy the 1100D now I know that I can't control a D3200 via software.


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: Joepie]
      #5899783 - 06/03/13 02:06 PM

Quote:

I see that the D3200 isn't supported by Tetherpro as well. What about the D5200? Does it have an SDK?




As far as I know only the D3xxx is not controllable via software. The D5200 is fine.

Guylain


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: Joepie]
      #5899786 - 06/03/13 02:07 PM

Quote:

I'll probably buy the 1100D now I know that I can't control a D3200 via software.




The 1100D is a good choice, some amazing astro-images were taken with that model.

Guylain


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: guyroch]
      #5900546 - 06/03/13 08:48 PM

I think the lack of software (like BYE for Canon) support for Nikon is partially a consequence, not really a cause. In early days, quite a few people tried Nikon for astrophot. D50 was once a popular choice (though not as popular as Canon) among astrophotographers in Asia. I took this with D80 quite a few years ago.
http://www3.asiaa.sinica.edu.tw/~whwang/gallery/picutres/M31-2008.html
You can imagine in those days, not being able to control the camera with a laptop isn't really a disadvantage. A timer cable was good enough.

Since EOS 20D, Canon's sensors evolve very fast. Mode 3 problem of Nikon (plus the issues of raw compression) scared away many people (including me). Then the software support became important and further separated Canon from others. This is my 5D2 version of M31:
http://www3.asiaa.sinica.edu.tw/~whwang/gallery/picutres/M31-2011-preview.html
Without the great sensor and BYE, it is almost not possible to create such a photo. (Dither and Bayer drizzle are essential here.)

Things are getting better for Nikon now. Guylain is working on a Nikon version of his software. The author of digicamcontrol (tether software for Nikon) is willing to take feedback from astrophotographers. Mode 3 is no longer a problem. Sensors in Nikon DSLRs are now at least as good as Canon ones (if they don't outperform Canon). I believe soon Nikon users will come back. This includes myself. I never left Nikon for daytime photo. Now I have my D800 ready for astrophoto to replace 5D2.

D600 is quite cheap now. Anyone wants to try it?


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: guyroch]
      #5900665 - 06/03/13 10:05 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I see that the D3200 isn't supported by Tetherpro as well. What about the D5200? Does it have an SDK?




As far as I know only the D3xxx is not controllable via software. The D5200 is fine.

Guylain




Yes, this appears to be the case. Also the D5100 is controllable as well and a good deal less than the D5200. However the D5200 has the ability to be fully controlled over USB where the D5100 will require a DSUSB adapter. To my knowledge the following cameras can do bulb over tether:
D800/D800E
D7100
D5200
D600

We recently started supporting Nikons in Sequence Generator Pro.

I know some of the earlier Nikons had a "star eater" noise reduction algorithm in them where your stars would disappear! Stars generally seem to take on a bluer tint with Nikons, at least in my experience...this may be able to be corrected in post.

Personally I've never used a Nikon for astro-photography. I think some of the newer cameras might really start to change that. Especially the D800E at 36.3MP! But the price is a little hefty...not too bad when compared to other full frame cameras though. However that would make a killer wide field setup with those small pixels!

The D5100 seems to be a solid performer as well. I used one when developing the Nikon support in Sequence Generator Pro and I really liked a lot of the features as compared with my T2i. I did feel that the T2i had better high iso response and less noise than the D5100. But as a solid all around camera the D5100 felt a little better in my hands and I really liked the flip out screen. AP for my DSLR is a secondary function though...so it first has to be a good "family camera".

And also like someone above said not a lot of affordable software supports them...I'm hoping we help to change that as well!

Jared


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: averen]
      #5901110 - 06/04/13 03:30 AM

I've bought the 1100D yesterday. I was thinking about buying the D5200, however it costs twice as much and since I will primarily use the DSLR for AP and I'm a novice, the choice was easy. I will probably upgrade to a D5200/D600 after a while but not before I've replaced the filter of the 1100D, made a peltier cooler and a lot of pictures of course.

Edit: Thanks for all the replies btw

Edited by Joepie (06/04/13 03:33 AM)


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: Joepie]
      #5901153 - 06/04/13 05:01 AM

Congrats; and thanks for not crossing over (yet at least). In my opinion, implied AP embargo of Nikon should continue until Nikon produces 'astronomy' version of one of their cameras to at least show that they care about AP. Thx

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: mmalik]
      #5901167 - 06/04/13 05:50 AM

I didn't know there was an embargo. I can understand why you would ignore Nikon (because they ignore us), however everyone with a passion in engineering/hacking would see this as a challenge to modify their cameras in such a way that AP is possible in the way it is with Canon. If I had the time and soldering/programming skills, I would have bought the D3200, made some kind of connection with it and an application able to automate all tasks related to AP. Maybe I'll do that in the future.

If AP meant that you'd just have to buy a ready made kit that would work with the flick of a switch, I wouldn't have started with this hobby and I assume many more.


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: averen]
      #5901270 - 06/04/13 08:24 AM

D3200 somehow can be remote-tethered. Actually, remote controled/liveviewed wirelessly, if a ($45 street) WiFi dongle WU-1a used.
There is an app for that (Android).

Wu-1a is a simple PTP over Wifi bridge, thus we know the data is passing thru the regular PTP method into D3200's USB port.

Earlier discussions here on CN.

Clear Skies!

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: Joepie]
      #5901288 - 06/04/13 08:36 AM

Quote:

I didn't know there was an embargo.



Not quite.
Majority of older Nikon DSLRs up to D40x (D40x, I think) were using CCD image sensor. They employed a non-defeatable older version of the Hot Pixel Suppression (HPS) algorithm, nick named star eater. Thus the ugly "mode 3" method to bypass the HPS step is required.
In that era, N made it very difficult to get its SDK while Nikon's own tethering software costs a lot.

The situation has changed quite a bit...
Recent Nikon DSLRs are all using CMOS sensors (less heat generated to make Liveview possible) and are using a refined version HPS algorithm with less Pacman-like behavior.
Nikon DSLRs' SDK (AFAIK) is now free.

N still has add few minor "tint" and intentional crippling (e.g., no lossless NEF) on lower end gears. Talented Nikonhacker(s) are removing some of them.
It is looking nicer and nicer. D5100 (using SONY Exmor IMX071) IMHO is very nice. Several days ago, refurb model was selling at $429 with a kit 18-55 VR lens included, $5 shipping (see here! Now sold out, of course.)

Clear Skies!

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5901372 - 06/04/13 09:43 AM

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Nikon DSLRs' SDK (AFAIK) is now free.




They are free, however they are now where near as nice and easy to implement as Canon's SDK. I assume this is likely a reason that there isn't a lot of Nikon software out there. Canon seems to put a good amount of effort into their SDK where is seems like it's an after though with Nikon.

Jared


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: averen]
      #5901466 - 06/04/13 10:35 AM

Hi, i'm the developer of digiCamControl, i want to clarify a thing with D3200 it is true this model isn't supported by the nikon SDK but this model can be controlled via MPT/PTP command and my software support almost same way like D5100.

BTW i started to add to digiCamControl some basic astro features like bulb mode for D800/D600/D5200/D7100 and for other models via serial communication port. I'm open to any feature suggestion.


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: Duka Istvan]
      #5902564 - 06/04/13 08:21 PM

Duka,

Thanks for the info and a big welcome to Cloudy Nights!

Clear Skies!

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5903593 - 06/05/13 10:41 AM

hi duka,

i recently found this and it looks like a great piece of software. i'd be interested in a native linux version and bulb exposures.

thanks!

clay


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: brave_ulysses]
      #5904062 - 06/05/13 02:29 PM

Quote:

hi duka,

i recently found this and it looks like a great piece of software. i'd be interested in a native linux version and bulb exposures.

clay




This software use a lot of Microsoft technology for camera control and for user interface so isn't possible to port it to a another OS (mac or linux).


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: Duka Istvan]
      #5909476 - 06/08/13 10:07 AM

Duka:

Thanks so much for this software! I downloaded your software and have done some testing with my D7000 in the house and all seems well, sans the 'bulb' mode. One thing that works is to manually set the camera to 'bulb' and then use the Nikon remote control for shutter operation. The software controls the rest of the camera functions and hitting that button, while it will likely grow slightly tiring on longer exposures, seems like a reasonable 'temporary' fix. What is it specifically about the D7000 that you cannot control the 'bulb' function with your software? Thanks again, I can't wait to try it out on my scope in the coming days

Brian A.

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: ZR WON]
      #5910163 - 06/08/13 05:38 PM

Quote:

Duka:

What is it specifically about the D7000 that you cannot control the 'bulb' function with your software?



The firmware on the newer Nikons is configured to allow bulb control via the usb cable whereas older Nikons require use of the 10 pin connector. Hence, you'll need a second cable and a program such as DSLR Shutter. There's a post above which lists which cameras allow usb control of the shutter. Dave


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: dasams]
      #5991220 - 07/26/13 12:36 PM

Alright, so my sis wants to buy my 1100D and I'm thinking about buying a D3200/D5200 again... 1100D's noise is bad and resolution's a bit low too.

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: Joepie]
      #5991231 - 07/26/13 12:45 PM

Quote:

Alright, so my sis wants to buy my 1100D and I'm thinking about buying a D3200/D5200 again... 1100D's noise is bad and resolution's a bit low too.




These days, performance differences between brands will be hard to see. Canon may be slightly behind with sensor tech, but I think the convenience of software solutions would make up for that. Of course BackyardNIK is coming and that will change things.

I wouldn't call the 1100D's noise performance bad, nor would I even bother taking resolution into account. All current DSLR's will have more then enough resolution. Purpose built astronomy CCD's will have larger pixels and lower resolution and this is a good thing.


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: Footbag]
      #5991519 - 07/26/13 03:34 PM

The Nikon D5100 is probably your best bet for noise; it has an awesome Sony sensor.

The Nikon D3200 should be at the bottom of the list. The D3### series can not be tethered via software using the Nikon SDK so software is even more limited with this model.

The Nikon D5200 has a new Tochiba sensor and the jury is still out on these one.

The Canon 1100D is actually a good astro-performer. The noise level is on the low side compared to other Canon models.
http://ghonis2.ho8.com/T3iReview/T3iReview.html

Good luck,

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: guyroch]
      #6009395 - 08/06/13 12:46 PM

Just bought a Nikon D5100 Couldn't ignore spending only 157 euros. We'll see.

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #6127007 - 10/09/13 01:31 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I didn't know there was an embargo.



Not quite.
Majority of older Nikon DSLRs up to D40x (D40x, I think) were using CCD image sensor. They employed a non-defeatable older version of the Hot Pixel Suppression (HPS) algorithm, nick named star eater. Thus the ugly "mode 3" method to bypass the HPS step is required.
In that era, N made it very difficult to get its SDK while Nikon's own tethering software costs a lot.

The situation has changed quite a bit...
Recent Nikon DSLRs are all using CMOS sensors (less heat generated to make Liveview possible) and are using a refined version HPS algorithm with less Pacman-like behavior.
Nikon DSLRs' SDK (AFAIK) is now free.

N still has add few minor "tint" and intentional crippling (e.g., no lossless NEF) on lower end gears. Talented Nikonhacker(s) are removing some of them.
It is looking nicer and nicer. D5100 (using SONY Exmor IMX071) IMHO is very nice. Several days ago, refurb model was selling at $429 with a kit 18-55 VR lens included, $5 shipping (see here! Now sold out, of course.) Clear Skies! ccs_hello




My D40x allows you to take a noise reducer photo but it DOES NOT force you to. You have to go to the menu and choose to take one. You can see a few of my posts taken with my full spectrum D40x. There are no stars dropped at all unless it's done with Nebulosity3 or DSS. I tested a T1i, T2i and 5DMarkii Canons and several Pentax DSLR. My Nikon does great and even beats some of the others in noise levels. Right now I use the IR remote and have not gotten around to laptop control. William


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: WillCarney]
      #6127237 - 10/09/13 03:13 PM

Good to know that the Sony IMX071 sensor in my Nikon D7000 is a good one. My D700 full frame sensor is even better, in normal photography.

Would love to see a Nikon version of Back Yard come to market.

From what I can tell currently, TetherPro and Images Plus should work at some level. Will continue to mush on.


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: dkbender]
      #6128598 - 10/10/13 09:16 AM

I believe BackyardNik is coming out late this year or early next year. However, Sequence Generator Pro now supports Nikon. I used to use TetherPro with my D5100 but I really like the many extra features of SGP. Its certainly nice to have some choices for us Nikon users.

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: TimN]
      #6128665 - 10/10/13 09:47 AM

I have too much nice glass to justify switching so it would be nice. Im a Nikon user and a Mac user so I really dont have a whole lot of options. So for now it is PHD and The Sky X which is great for getting me to target and then running my intervolmeter on my D700 to capture to the CF card.

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: snommisbor]
      #6129017 - 10/10/13 12:40 PM

Quote:

I have too much nice glass to justify switching so it would be nice. Im a Nikon user and a Mac user so I really dont have a whole lot of options. So for now it is PHD and The Sky X which is great for getting me to target and then running my intervolmeter on my D700 to capture to the CF card.




ahhh....!!! another D700 user! I just love my D700 for regular photography. How does it do for AP?? I'm just getting started and also have a D7000, which everyone seems to really like the Sony sensor in it.


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: dkbender]
      #6129035 - 10/10/13 12:49 PM Attachment (7 downloads)

It a full frame sensor so you get excellent high ISO properties even though I still try to shoot around 800 to 1250. It does show vignetting due to the large sensor but I have been very pleased with it. I have taken some great wide field images as well as the witches broom just this past Monday. It turned out pretty good, I am sure I can improve it just through processing but it was the first time I ever did where you do a luminosity file then blend with a RGB. but shooting wide field with my 200-400 f/4 or 50 f1.8 is great.

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: snommisbor]
      #6129091 - 10/10/13 01:18 PM

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It a full frame sensor so you get excellent high ISO properties even though I still try to shoot around 800 to 1250. It does show vignetting due to the large sensor but I have been very pleased with it. I have taken some great wide field images as well as the witches broom just this past Monday. It turned out pretty good, I am sure I can improve it just through processing but it was the first time I ever did where you do a luminosity file then blend with a RGB. but shooting wide field with my 200-400 f/4 or 50 f1.8 is great.




Beautiful photo! Can you give me the particulars on which lens and maybe a little bit more on the processing?

I plan on trying prime focus with my 100mm Apo.... and then with some of my Nikkor lens piggybacked on the scope.... in particular, the AFS 300mm f/4, the AFS 85mm f/1.4G and the AFS 14-24mm f/2.8. I also have the TC-14E II that I use with the 300mm for capturing wildlife, I thought since that works so well with that lens, that the combination might be worth a try.


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: snommisbor]
      #6129113 - 10/10/13 01:30 PM

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It a full frame sensor so you get excellent high ISO properties even though I still try to shoot around 800 to 1250. It does show vignetting due to the large sensor but I have been very pleased with it. I have taken some great wide field images as well as the witches broom just this past Monday. It turned out pretty good, I am sure I can improve it just through processing but it was the first time I ever did where you do a luminosity file then blend with a RGB. but shooting wide field with my 200-400 f/4 or 50 f1.8 is great.




The Nikon D7000 is NOT a full frame sensor. It has the same Sony sensor as the D5100.

EDIT: Oops... I think you meant the D700... in that case it is a full frame sensor.

Sorry for the confusion

Guylain

Edited by guyroch (10/10/13 01:31 PM)


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: guyroch]
      #6129134 - 10/10/13 01:41 PM

Quote:

Quote:

It a full frame sensor so you get excellent high ISO properties even though I still try to shoot around 800 to 1250. It does show vignetting due to the large sensor but I have been very pleased with it. I have taken some great wide field images as well as the witches broom just this past Monday. It turned out pretty good, I am sure I can improve it just through processing but it was the first time I ever did where you do a luminosity file then blend with a RGB. but shooting wide field with my 200-400 f/4 or 50 f1.8 is great.




The Nikon D7000 is NOT a full frame sensor. It has the same Sony sensor as the D5100.

EDIT: Oops... I think you meant the D700... in that case it is a full frame sensor.

Sorry for the confusion

Guylain




Hello Guylain!

I have both the D700 & D7000. I was glad to read your liking of the D7000 Sony IMX071 sensor! That encouraged me. I was asking Rob about his experience with the D700, since it is Nikons sensor design. That FF sensor works REALLY well in regular photography, but I didn't have any input yet on how it will do in AP.

By the way, just to let you know, I'm anxiously awaiting BackYardNik. Are we getting close?? Many thanks!!


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: dkbender]
      #6129205 - 10/10/13 02:17 PM

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Quote:

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It a full frame sensor so you get excellent high ISO properties even though I still try to shoot around 800 to 1250. It does show vignetting due to the large sensor but I have been very pleased with it. I have taken some great wide field images as well as the witches broom just this past Monday. It turned out pretty good, I am sure I can improve it just through processing but it was the first time I ever did where you do a luminosity file then blend with a RGB. but shooting wide field with my 200-400 f/4 or 50 f1.8 is great.




The Nikon D7000 is NOT a full frame sensor. It has the same Sony sensor as the D5100.

EDIT: Oops... I think you meant the D700... in that case it is a full frame sensor.

Sorry for the confusion

Guylain




Hello Guylain!

I have both the D700 & D7000. I was glad to read your liking of the D7000 Sony IMX071 sensor! That encouraged me. I was asking Rob about his experience with the D700, since it is Nikons sensor design. That FF sensor works REALLY well in regular photography, but I didn't have any input yet on how it will do in AP.

By the way, just to let you know, I'm anxiously awaiting BackYardNik. Are we getting close?? Many thanks!!




Yeah... the Sony sensor in the D7000 and D5100 is just awesome. Even at 20c the noise is very low.

I'm making good strides on BackyardNIKON; thanks for asking. Still aiming late 2013 / early 2014 for beta release. We should move this conversation to the vendor forum if you want more info, I can't push software here.

Guylain


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: dkbender]
      #6129229 - 10/10/13 02:29 PM Attachment (6 downloads)

That was shot with my D700 with a Nikkor 200-400 f/4 at F/4. I shot it at ISO 1600 and they were 3 minute shots and it was only 5 shots. I was at my dark sky place ( see my Clear Dark Sky Chart ) so that really helps. That was without a filter or anything. I cant remember if it was guided or not. I stacked in DSS and just processed in PS CS5. It was pretty easy, being in a dark site you could see the Lagoon and Trifid just from one 3 minute shot very easily. I shot this one with my 105mm Micro 2.8 at f/4 and it was alright but I didnt really like the dullness of the star field compared to Scorpius, that area just rocks.

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: snommisbor]
      #6129499 - 10/10/13 05:07 PM

I would suggest try digicamControl for now:
http://digicamcontrol.com/manual/complete-feature-list

Newly added astro features:
http://digicamcontrol.com/forum/feature-requests/astro-features-digicamcontro...


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: dkbender]
      #6129628 - 10/10/13 06:11 PM

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By the way, just to let you know, I'm anxiously awaiting BackYardNik. Are we getting close?? Many thanks!!




Ditto...

Paul


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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: Astronewb]
      #6129674 - 10/10/13 06:43 PM

D7000 user here! I'm pretty new to AP and the D7000 is the first and only camera I've used. Not to say I wouldn't try any other, it's just what is available to me right now. I use ControlMyNikon for tethering and live view. I also use DSS and Fitswork along with GIMP. I would LOVE to try BackyardNIK when available! Add me to your mailing list when it comes out! Here is my first AP done last night...

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: GageCook]
      #6129678 - 10/10/13 06:45 PM Attachment (8 downloads)

here

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: GageCook]
      #6129687 - 10/10/13 06:50 PM

30x2 minutes. Red zone. no mods to d7000. no filters. my first REAL attempt at AP and processing.

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Re: Why no Nikons? new [Re: GageCook]
      #6130667 - 10/11/13 09:54 AM

I am very new to this asrophotography game,owning for some time an Astrotrac but not using it.I also have a copy of Pixinsight for processing future images but that seems like a steep learning curve ahead to say the least.My camera which I've owned two years for regular daytime stuff is a Nikon D3s along with Nikkor lenses,this is supposed to have a good sensor chip and sensitivity for regular shots,will it prove useful for this new avenue? Neil

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