firstbase
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Is it just me or does anyone else notice an almost complete lack of "first light" reports and reviews of the ETX-LS from actual owners? I thought that there would be plenty hitting the web by now....
Edited by firstbase (08/02/09 10:03 PM)
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rob cos.
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I've been curious about this also....ominous if not strange...
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Peter9
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I mentioned the lack of reports some 3 weeks ago. It had been very quite then for about 2 weeks. Don't know who the ETX-LS is aimed at. Here in the U.K they are asking £1.399. ($2368). That's a lot of money for a 6" scope. Lets hear from you if you have one.
Peter.
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Michael Cox
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I am also looking for feedback for the ETX-LS. Will this scope support a binoviewer without straining the gears? Will it track to allow for longer astrophotography? Seems like reports for this scope are hard to find, hope this does not mean it is not selling well or has some operational issues.
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rob288
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Down here in New Zealand its not yet available, or anywhere else in the Southern Hemisphere, apparently there is a software issue when it comes to Southern Hemisphere that Meade have to address.
Is it available in Europe yet.
The fact its only in the US at present may have something to do with it, either that or the users are so happy they don't have time to let us all know how its going.
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I am also looking for feedback for the ETX-LS. Will this scope support a binoviewer without straining the gears? Will it track to allow for longer astrophotography? Seems like reports for this scope are hard to find, hope this does not mean it is not selling well or has some operational issues.
Apart from novice postings on their newly acquired ETX-LX that I've not found helpful - I too await a review having closely examined the scope static at European Astrofest London last Feb. The Altaz mount [with its field rotation] is not best for astro imaging although some software can post correct this. Astrofest video clip here
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Hector
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Hi I bought an ETX-LS from the US 2 weeks ago. I am in Melbourne Australia and so far I have had no problems with the software in the Southern Hemisphere. The scope works as advertised, it takes about 6-8 minutes to go through the full auto align, using the CCD imager. Everything so far has been good. In fact I have just come in off the front drive and am extremely happy.
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DeWittJ
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I have had my ETX LS ACF for two months and can't get enough of using it. The clouds here in South Carolina have been a pain lately, but when it is clear I am out. No trouble with auto alingment using the GBS. Tracking is great. Few weeks ago I put in on Jupiter and the view was great. I let it track for about 45 minutes and when I came back out, Jupiter was still dead center. I haven't taken any pics with the built in CCD, but if weather is good will try this weekend. I just wonder how good this scope will be with a CCD imager/software package added? r/ Jim
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I recently purchased the ETX-LS and so far I love it. I'm fairly new to the hobby and polar alignment has always been my nemesis. This is not an issue with this scope although I have not yet been able to get the full auto align to work. I use the two star alignment and it works great. I'm hoping that it's because it hasn't been dark enough because of the full moon during setup. Anybody else have problems with the auto-align using the built in ccd?
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I have owned my ETX-LS since June - I have had it out about a dozen times and all worked well with fine optical views. See my first light report,
http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3173389/page/1/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1
I have recently did some fine tuning of the calibration (via the Meade instructions) and it helped improve the goto with auto-alignment. I have been hoping to get a clear night aligned with my busy schedule to get some DSLR astro images - will post when this happens.
Jason
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Nice first-light review Jason. Thanks.
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I mentioned the lack of reports some 3 weeks ago. It had been very quite then for about 2 weeks. Don't know who the ETX-LS is aimed at. Here in the U.K they are asking £1.399. ($2368). That's a lot of money for a 6" scope. Lets hear from you if you have one.
Peter.
If you think thats expensive for a 6 inch scope take a look at what we are paying from these guys http://www.langwoodsphotography.com/eshop/product.php?productid=16&cat=3&page=1 
Theyre too scared to even list a price for the new ETX-LS
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The UK price is not too bad. Here in Hong Kong the Meade ETX-LX is selling at HK$9900 (approx. £792) for the SC model and HK$11000 (approx. £880) for the ACF model. http://www.grandeye.com.hk/pc_etx_LS.htm I am surprised a set of Meade LXD75 AR6 would be selling at NZ$4100 in New Zealand but the same set is selling at HK$9300 (approx. NZ$1860) here in Hong Kong. http://www.grandeye.com.hk/PriceList01.htm
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Doesn't the ETX-LS have a built in CCD? Why would you need to add a CCD to it? Just curious!
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Doesn't the ETX-LS have a built in CCD? Why would you need to add a CCD to it? Just curious!
The CCD is not imaging through the main scope. It's primary purpose is to aid in aligning the scope and therefore is setup as a wide field imager. You could probably get some shots of smaller constellation or asterisms with it.
If you want to do DSO imaging with the ETX-LS you will need a better CCD imager ... just like any other scope.
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phxbird
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Thanks! I did not know that. From the ads it seems to hint that you can get great images on the built in ccd with this scope. I am very happy with my 6" refractor and ST-7 CCD so this is just curiosity!
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orbitman
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My profession is in the spacecraft area and the CCD is there to function as a star tracker, similar to those on spacecraft but much simpler in design. Like Mark said, it is a wide field camera and you will need a camera to take good photos.
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I have had my ETX-LS for about one month. Unlike others posting here, I have had some difficulties. My GPS will not locate me. Each time it places me about 60 miles away. Therefore it fails auto alignment. I did go into the system and change the default alignment to manual and things worked better. There are a few other owners having the same issue. However, I bought the scope to use when I travel away because it is lighter than the LX200R I normally use. I wanted to stay with the ACF optics which are really good. The scope is very well built and very sturdy for a one-fork scope mount. The integration of the MySky features are really good if you want to spend the time listening to the descriptions of what you are looking at. The other problem I have is with the scope not recognizing a "Mini" SD card. I was planning on using the SD card to save photos to. Be aware that the camera on board the scope is a wide field camera and doesn't take photos through the eyepiece. It is mounted at the bottom of the tube so it can look up to the sky. The addition of the camera is to function as a Star Tracker, similar to ones used on spacecraft, but simpler in design. Once the camera has located the "bright" star, it will center it in the scope's field of view, which is pretty cool. I have since spoken with Meade and sent my scope to them to have it inspected and fix anything broken. I will update when I get it back.
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I have since spoken with Meade and sent my scope to them to have it inspected and fix anything broken. I will update when I get it back.
I hope you have better luck with Meade than I had. Yes, they would fix a problem, but would break something else and it would have to go back in. Lots of run-around.
Bill
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Michael Cox
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Hello All:
Just to let you know up front that I do not any ax to grind against Celestron or Meade. That said, I had high hopes that Meade would hit a home run on the ETX-LS because I think inovation and progress should be supported and rewarded. Not to mention turning the company around and getting it on the road to recovery. I have since it was first announced been following the reviews of the ETX-LS and it has been a mixed bag for many new users. I am starting to see more people having problems with the scope providing correct gps and onging alignment failures. If you would like to read what is said about the scope on Mike Weasner's Mighty ETX Site here is the link.
http://www.weasner.com/etx/reviews/2009/etx-ls-6-acf.html
It is my hope that Meade gets the bugs worked out of this new scope, but at a price of almost $1500.00 and not have it work as advertised would just drive me up a wall. Meade is capable of making good products and I still believe the market would be stronger with them as a company then without.
Hope this helps those who want more information about this scope.
Clear Skies
Michael
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musicwon
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The Meade ETX-LX certainly promises to be a Home Run product. I'd like to see a big success with this product.
I would love to see some images from the scope.
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Due to unresolved problems with my ETX-125PE, I had "suggested" that Meade replace my scope with a LS and I would pay the difference. Kinda glad they didn't take me up on that now.
Bill
PS I have given up on Meade support. Next stop Dr. Clay. :-)
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musicwon
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Well, in my opinion, many HERE, trounced hard on the fabulous RCX series leading in SOME part to it's discontinuance. I hope that does not happen to the ETX-LS
I think Meade is a fabulous company with some of the most forward thinking designs in the industry. I was unhappy with them with the Celestron lawsuit but a Meade was my first scope - a refractor.
I think this ETX-LX with the built in camera is the wave of the future.
I'm really hoping to hear from people with good experiences - often (as was the case with the RCX) those are the silent majority.
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Mike Weasner's Mighty ETX Site here is the link.
What just KILLS ME is that cotton-pickin' Meade couldn't even double-check that the scope they sent to Mike Weasner worked right.
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Well, in my opinion, many HERE, trounced hard on the fabulous RCX series leading in SOME part to it's discontinuance. I hope that does not happen to the ETX-LS
Only a small part. The main reason? The scope had NUMEROUS problems, with way too many dead out of the box or shortly thereafter. The main blame for the RCX's failure is MEADE. It could have been a great product, but Meade, for whatever reason, did not have the wherewithal to:
--Ensure the build quality was there given the premium price (compared to other SCTs).
--Exercise a minimal amount of QA.
--Execute the revs and mods and design changes that fixed problems.
They were either unwilling or unable to do these things, so goodbye RCX. I will say that introducing the RCX was a brave and bold move, and if they'd done it five years ago, before their financial problems became serious, it might have been a whole different story.
Unfortunately, there are signs the LS is goin' down the RCX path. I hope Meade's new management nips that in the bud. I think the LS has the POTENTIAL to be a great scope for many people.
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Edited by rmollise (08/20/09 08:16 AM)
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rollout
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What just KILLS ME is that cotton-pickin' Meade couldn't even double-check that the scope they sent to Mike Weasner worked right.
+1. They could have gained TONS of street cred if they had sent him one that was spot on, but I'd bet that Mike bought his "off the shelf". At least they are replacing his (and it BETTER BE RIGHT!), it would have taken an act of Congress to have my 125 replaced.
Bill
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Chris Rowland
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Hand picking or specially checking a scope going to an influential customer seems to me to be a way of misleading customers because it gives them an unrealistic impression of the quality they can expect.
Good for Mike if he got one off the shelf. Good for Meade if they are giving him nothing they wouldn't do for any customer. What people really need is an impression of how it will be for them, especially if things go wrong.
Chris
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+1. They could have gained TONS of street cred if they had sent him one that was spot on, but I'd bet that Mike bought his "off the shelf". Bill
I don't believe that was the case, thus, my surprise that Meade could be so cotton-pickin' foolish.
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I emailed Mike Weasner and he was kind enough to promptly reply.
"As I clearly mention my review, "Meade sent me an ETX-LS 6" ACF". However, it did not go through any extra pre-shipping tests just because it was coming to me. So, whether the problem was a defective level sensor, or one that went bad quickly, or one that was somehow damaged in shipment, I don't know. Hopefully Meade will be able to determine that when it arrives back at their office. And yes, I have been known for honestly reporting the good, the bad, and the occasional ugly on my ETX Site. That will not change. You may cross- post this response to Cloudy Nights."
Thanks Mike. I look forward to your further reviews and enjoyed your Road to Oracle.
Bill
FULL DISCLOSURE: I visit the Mighty ETX site whenever it is updated and I do follow Mike on Twitter.
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musicwon
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The main reason? The scope had NUMEROUS problems, with way too many dead out of the box or shortly thereafter.
Mmmm... Most who have a RCX are quite happy with them now it seems.
I think a small number of VERY vocal people were VERY critical of the scopes when the BIG bucks they spent were on something with problems --- and rightly so. The internet stories with problems tended to exaggerate the problems.
Unfortunately, this scared off all the 2nd buyers.
Does a product HAVE to be perfect, with excellent QC, these days coming to market? It seems now more than ever.
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rmollise
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Mmmm... Most who have a RCX are quite happy with them now it seems.
Nope. Not from where I sit. There are plenty of current owners still having problems. Lots of problems. I'm sorry to have to say that. I wanted the scope to be a success, and I really loved the one I had the opportunity to use at the Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park. But, nope, it was not to be for the reasons I mentioned earlier.
Nobody expected the scope to be perfect out of the box. What people DID expect was to not have to ship brand-new telescopes back to Meade--sometimes MULTIPLE TIMES.
The truly fatal flaw for out of warranty RCXes? Normally, you'd be able to console yourself by saying, "I'll just remove the SCT OTA from the fork and put it on a GEM." That would be a huge task with these scopes. You'd have to implement a manual collimation system, a manual focusing system (in addition to a rear cell Crayford), and give up many of the scope's attractive features.
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This is what they say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7njnz4kKPrI&feature=related
does it have bugs?
has anyone posted picture from the sky with its built in camera
but its not in greece yet, should I buy it for 1700 euros
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Chris Rowland
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The ETX-LS manual is on the web, somewhere on the Meade site. There are examples of images taken using the built in camera, one of the Pleiades IIRC.
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This is what they say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7njnz4kKPrI&feature=related
does it have bugs?
has anyone posted picture from the sky with its built in camera
but its not in greece yet, should I buy it for 1700 euros
Does it have bugs? Yes, judging by the reports on Mike Weasner's site.
There are some images taken with the built in camera in the telescope's manual and on Meade's site. As you might expect...simple and noisy. Imaging is not really the camera's purpose.
Should you buy one? For 1700 E? I wouldn't. Not YET, anyway.
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Eh, it's a gadget scope. If you like gadgets this scope might be right for you. For me it's a bit pricey for that, but that's what I bought my little ETX-60BB for; at $249 it was within the budget.
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I sent this brief review to Mike Weasner on his site just yesterday.
ETX-LS Firmware: v1.07 Date Telescope Received: 5-Aug-2009
With the pertinent spreadsheet data out of the way I would like a brief mention of my experience and my impressions of the telescope thus far.
This is my third Meade telescope purchase. My first two being a Polaris Newtonian Reflector and an ETX-90/EC (The gears on the 90/EC stripped out long ago and still need to be replaced). In spite of owning two telescopes previously I am still quite a novice when it comes to astronomy, but I find I know enough to get by for the most part. I am currently living in Tucson Arizona, which is where all my observing is done from.
I received my telescope on the 5th of August and unpacked the next day on the 6th. Assembly was easy enough, and I merely had to wait on the stars to come out here in Tucson. This is where my extensive problems began. Flip the switch on and the Autostar lights up as expected, but there is no sound from the speaker as the start-up guide says there should be. The telescope goes through it's 12 - 15 min routine attempting alignment still so I'm not too concerned, but at the end it says "Alignment Failed". I spent one entire battery lifetime (Appx 6 - 7 hours) running the telescope through it's initial start-up and various menu functions to include: calibrating the finder, motor training, volume level, etc. It became quite frustrating so when the batteries died I decided I had had enough and packed up for the night.
The next night I had two fresh sets of batteries (really do need to buy that AC adapter for it) and was determined to at least trouble shoot the problems effectively. After about an hour of the same problems I had come to the following conclusions:
1) The speaker on the telescope is completely inoperable 2) The telescope was consistently off by a similar margin while attempting alignment (not a large amount, but enough to put any objects out of the view of the eyepiece) 3) The Autostar has a tendency to freeze up during some menu commands when not aligned properly
From here I decided to disable the GPS acquisitioning of the telescope and input my location manually. The auto align still failed after this so next I tried two star alignment. This worked fine and I got an hour or so of some viewing of Jupiter and such since I was getting frustrated again. At this point I had to switch out the batteries again and tried aligning the finder and training the motor a few more times to no avail.
I have since been on vacation in California without the telescope, and just recently returned and have been putting off getting the situation solved. I contacted OPT, who I purchased the telescope through, and was advised to try updating the firmware to see if that helped. I also contacted Meade, and they were of the mind that it will probably need to be sent to them. I think I will probably try the firmware update, but am rather skeptical that it will succeed.
On a separate note, when I purchased the telescope from OPT I also got the SkyAssurance 3 Year Warranty as well as the 3 Way Shipping. However, currently Meade DOES NOT cover the ETX-LS under their SkyAssurance program. I contacted OPT concerning this as well and received some helpful and quite timely information. Right now Meade is in the process of having a bid approved (By their third party insurance company, forgot their name) to have the ETX-LS added to the SkyAssurance plan, but it could be a few more weeks or perhaps even months before a Yes or No is sent back. You can thank Vince at OPT for that information, which he got back to me on the same day.
Overall here are my ratings all things considered:
ETX-LS : Fair to Poor (The telescope I received has had some major issues it seems to me, and it's only redeeming aspect that I see right now is it's optics are superb, far superior to my 90/EC)
Meade : Average (Customer service was good, but they have offered little helpful advice overall and of course there is the fact that I got a shoddy telescope)
OPT : Outstanding (For anybody who doesn't know it yet, they have stupendous customer service and have been quite helpful to me thus far in all aspects, and I got the telescope something like 4 days after I ordered it)
Thanks for reading, and I hope everybody else has an easier time with their new telescopes than I have thus far.
Clear Skies,
Michael Cox
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Here is a thread on the Mighty ETX forum about Mike's LS; same problem mentioned as your problem- alignment failure. They are guessing this may be caused by an out of focus camera. With the stars out of focus the software cannot ALIGN, so you get alignment failure.
Here is the thread- http://www.weasner.com/etx/feedback/current/etx-ls.html
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I was thinking of getting one but after reading some of the initial reviews, I changed my mind. Hopefully Meade will put QC and customer service on top of their priority list, otherwise their demise will loom quickly.
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chryseplanitia
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I called Meade again today and talked to them. They gave me the go ahead to send it back to them to be replaced and sent me the UPS labels via e-mail to get it done.
I do wish the telescope had just worked correctly in the first place. It just makes everything a little more of a pain. Kind of wish I had gone with an 8" LX-200 or the like.
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I'm very surprised seeing that you just received it on August 5 that you didn't just turn it right back around and send it to OPT and let them hassle Meade as a dealer over the thing. Especially since you bought not only the scope but the extended warranty as well (which Meade may or may not honor, but that's a whole 'nuther bucket o' carp.)
Is there a reason you didn't just put it right back in the box and send it back to OPT? Do they have some sort of "all sales are final" policy or something (I've never dealt or even heard of them prior to this, myself)? I know I'd be hoppin' mad if I just dropped close to a couple grand on a new *anything* and it was defective in any way before I even got a chance to use it.
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chryseplanitia
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No, no particular reason. I definitely thought about it, but I really wanted to try and troubleshoot it a bit more. Mostly because I don't like feeling like the electronics are beating me =P
On top of that I also had a two week vacation to California thrown in, and couldn't do anything about it then.
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I have had my ETX-LS since the 2nd week of July and aside from a few bugs I am very pleased. My SD Card slot does not work either but I don't plan on saving any pictures from the built in CCD since I only use that for alignment. I find the GPS works best by setting the scope out early and letting it find itself and just leave it on until I'm ready to use it. I calibrate the "Finder Center" each week and this works well. What is really nice is the "Precision Slew" option. It first finds a bright star near the object you want to view and asks you to center it and hit enter. When you do this it slews perfectly to the object you want to see. It works best with deep sky objects but has real problems with planets on this setting. It's best not to have Precision Slew when you want to go to a planet or the moon. I am a real novice with using a CCD camera (I have the LPI and the DSI III Pro Monochrome) but I feel I have gotten some very good shots with this scope. I do see a problem with tracking when taking any exposures over 15 seconds with stars trailing. It will keep things centered all night long but I think with the Alt/Az alignment you get adjustments. I probably need more instruction on this. I have a Focal Reducer too which really helps cut down on exposure times so for me it is working well.
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I read some of the rest of the remarks and I have not experienced nearly the number of problems that are listed. I do have the power adapter and I typically just either run a cord out to my back yard or in my drive way. Here is a shot of the Ring Nebula(again, I'm a real novice at this), and I have been able to image the Hercules Cluster and the Dumbbell Nebula with some success. I was able to get a poor shot of the Whirlpool Galaxy but I think that's just from inexperience. I have had a ball with this scope some nights just jumping from one deep sky object or cluster to another.
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Keep in mind, these shots are from Mason, OH, just north of Cincinnati and our conditions are really far from ideal with regards to the quality of "Seeing".
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I do see a problem with tracking when taking any exposures over 15 seconds with stars trailing. It will keep things centered all night long but I think with the Alt/Az alignment you get adjustments. I probably need more instruction on this.
I think your photos look terrific. For the very best results when doing longer exposures, however, you'll need to mount your scope on an equatorial wedge and precisely polar align it via the declination drift or some other method.
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That's what I thought. I haven't spoken with Meade to see if the LS has been tested on the Wedge yet. I may just go ahead and get it and try it out. For now it's working to what I need it for.
Thanks for the input!
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Update, I just called Meade and asked them about using the ETX-LS on a wedge and the person I spoke to said it would not work on the wedge. I wonder if this is inherent with all "One Armed" Alt/Az scopes.
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Update, I just called Meade and asked them about using the ETX-LS on a wedge and the person I spoke to said it would not work on the wedge. I wonder if this is inherent with all "One Armed" Alt/Az scopes.
I can't understand why The scope/mount itself will not work on a wedge... Single armed fork mounted Celestrons have been used on wedges for years...
I guess that the LS may not be able to self align on a wedge ...because the software is not capable of doing that...
What kind of alignment options are your given by Meade...The fork mounted Celestrons (both single and dual armed) do include a "EQ" wedge alignment method...
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PS:
I should also mention that Balancing a single armed scope on a wedge is a royal pain in the neck (and other places) as the weight of the OTA is sometimes hanging from the arm in some parts of the sky while sitting on top of the arm in other parts of the sky...in other words the balance varies BIG TIME ... not a good thing even for visual use and not recommended for doing any kind of imaging In my opinion...
that problem is solved by removing the OTA from the mount and buying a real GEM Mount...and sticking the OTA on it....
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They do have the equatorial option, at least in the menu. I just read another review of mounting the Celestron Nexstar 5 on a wedge supplied for that scope and that tracking for astrophotography did not work. It evidently keeps the object centered over time, but it does it by racing ahead and then slowing down, which won't work well at all! Since I have the focal reducer and effectively took the ETX down to an f 3 scope, I'll work with shorter exposures and let the software take care of the rotation. I got the scope in the first place for portability and ease of setting up and it is meeting all those requirements. Playing with the deep space photos is fun and as long as I'm not trying to match what I see from 12 and 14 inch scopes in photos, I won't complain! Next challenge is doing LRGB shots and seeing what I can do with them!
Just some additional shots, the Hercules Cluster a 42 second exposure
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Well, duh, I just read the manual again and on the menu it shows Mount Type and Equatorial is starred with a note that it is a future enhancement. Guess they'll see how sales go first before investing anymore money into it.
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Update, I just called Meade and asked them about using the ETX-LS on a wedge and the person I spoke to said it would not work on the wedge. I wonder if this is inherent with all "One Armed" Alt/Az scopes.
Nope. Only this one AFAIK. If that really is the case. Sometimes the "experts" <ahem> at Meade ain't that expert.
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They do have the equatorial option, at least in the menu. I just read another review of mounting the Celestron Nexstar 5 on a wedge supplied for that scope and that tracking for astrophotography did not work.
Not the case. Quite a few folks have done some nice images--especially with the current SE and the i.
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Interesting. I didn't think the guy I was talking to was very professional. Basically, "No, it won't work" no advice, etc. I think it depends on the person you get when you call Meade. Some have been great, this guy certainly wasn't!
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rigel123
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Just got an email from Brent Kikawa, the director of marketing for Meade. Currently the software on the ETX-LS does not support an equatorial mounting.
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I just ordered the ETX-LS and hope the telescope does what it is suppose to do. Since this will be my first telescope, I have a few questions. Is it okay if the sun shines on it during the day? Will it work in chicago winter weather?
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I just ordered the ETX-LS and hope the telescope does what it is suppose to do. Since this will be my first telescope, I have a few questions. Is it okay if the sun shines on it during the day? Will it work in chicago winter weather?
It won't hurt the scope per se, but views will be lousy until the telescope cools off again. Yes, it will be useable in teh winter...but...forget onboard batteries. Get a strong external 12vdc battery pack. And be prepared to keep the Autostar in a pocket or provide a heater for its display when things are really cold.
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If this is your first scope, and it comes out of the box like mine did and worked from the beginning, you should be pleased.
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I am sorry so many people are having issues with the ls. I got mine the end of July, and this is also my first scope as well. I have a good veiw of the nw and sw skies from my backyard. I setup just before nightfall waited until i could see arcturus, flipped on the scope, and 10 mins or so later I was ready for viewing. The first thing I went to was todays best, selected Jupiter, it slewed to Jupiter and it was slightly off center but had 4 moons and Jupiter in clear view using the supplied 26mm plossl. It is not as nice as my freinds lx200 12" but he looked through it and was impressed by the optics for a 6 inch scope.
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I have had my EXT LS ACF since middle of June - it has worked fine out of the box - made some minor calibrations (per manual). You can see my first light here.
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well just got my etx-ls ACF. Yesterday I tried to align automatically but it failed after 3 attempts. Tried 2 tonight unsucessfully. Was able to manually turn the scope to the moon and see something. This is my first scope and not very happy. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. There is a full moon yesterday and tonight, and could the brightness be affecting the alingment? I live in the northwest suburbs of chicago and I can clearly see stars with the naked eye. I tried all of this in my backyard and it did not appear to have any obstructions. I will try in a open field next.
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well just got my etx-ls ACF. Yesterday I tried to align automatically but it failed after 3 attempts. Tried 2 tonight unsucessfully. Was able to manually turn the scope to the moon and see something. This is my first scope and not very happy.
My advise is to look up a local astronomy club, get in touch with them, find out when their next star party is and if they could pass your contact info to some of the more knowledgeable Meade owners they may know. Once you get in touch with them, I'm sure one would be willing to meet you at the next star party and see if they can indeed verify if its a dud, or perhaps another issue. I realize the whole purpose of the ETX-LS is to take the guess work out and there are probably very few steps to the whole alignment process, but maybe its worth a try before you send back.
Hope it works out, and you can start to enjoy that new scope.
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I am assuming the scope was able to get the GPS signal, find North, Level and tilt before it tried to find stars and failed? You can also go to Setup and Calibration and "Center Finder" where the scope will ask you to center a star once it has slewed to it which aligns the CCD camera. If you have a lot of bright lights around that can interfere with the CCD camera you can select two star alignment and the scope simply asks you to center two stars that it slews to and hit enter, but after aligning the finder you should be OK. My scope was able to align even when the sky was fairly bright but you could at least see the alignment stars with your naked eye.
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Yes the scope was able to find north and find the GPS. THe lens caps were also off. I will try your recommendation tonight. I called meade too and all they told me to do was to restore to default options, and if that didn't work to try calibrate the S&T drives. If those two didn't work, they're going to want me to send the telescope to them. Hmm. Will try the new recommendations in the next few days.
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I've been a long time lurker here on cloudy nights, but having just purchased my ETX-LS and gotten it working, I thought I would post a first light review since there don't seem to be that many out there.
Prior to this scope, I had a 6" dob with a few eye pieces that I mainly used for planetary imaging, along with a pair of good old binoculars. Unfortunately, despite my best efforts at learning the night sky, I always seemed to have issues finding the objects that I wanted to view that evening. Over time, my desire for a GOTO scope grew, and I finally reached the point where I pulled the trigger on the LS.
I had considered several other scopes, but to be frank, the ones I truly lusted after were way outside of a reasonable price range.
In any case, I opted for the LS specifically for its auto-align feature set. I have a 19 month old son, and the ability to simply turn this thing on, and come back when I was ready to view was just too tempting to turn down.
I purchased my scope over ebay from a shop in NJ. I used the bing.com 10% off trick along with a mrrebates.com 3% off to end up with a final shipped price of $1219 for the ACF version of the scope.
The scope arrived in only two days due to my proximity to the shipper (I live in the eastern panhandle of WV) and I was lucky enough to have some fantastic weather for the evening of the unboxing.
The build was quite frankly, trivial. Pull out the tripod, install the leg spreader, and slap the scope on top. There are three screws to fix the scope base to the tripod, and while I didn't bother to look once I had it on there, there seemed to be a satisfying 'snap' into place when I put the scope base on the mount the first time which lined the threads up nicely.
Once the mounting procedure was done, all that was left was to install the diagonal, and toss some batteries into the thing, which I did in about 5 minutes.
A quick aside here about using batteries to power this thing...just don't. I had to for the first night since I didn't have the AC adapter, but I would never run it without the AC adapter. It just *devours* batteries. Even with rechargables, I think that anyone who is using it for more than an hour or so will start to run into low voltage problems eventually. Just bit the bullet and get the AC adapter now.
In any case, total time to setup the scope from breaking the tape seal on the box to having it standing outside on my deck was approximately 20 minutes. Very easy.
Not being willing to wait for proper dark, I uncapped the scope and the camera, and powered the thing on. I was greeted by a voice introduction to the scope, and with voice prompts informing me about what exactly the scope was doing at any given point during its bootstrapping process. GPS fix, finding level and north, searching for a guide star, etc. The scope was actually smart enough to admonish me for trying to do an auto-setup with so much light out, and in fact, refused to even try. It simply told me that it was too bright out, and that I could use it for terrestrial viewing for now.
So, I poked around and pointed it at some guys house a mile away up the mountain and played around. Nothing really spectacular while I waited for dark.
I did try again maybe 20 minutes after sunset, and the scope was unable to perform an alignment, but I suspect it was simply too bright out at that point still.
At this point, I made my first big mistake. See, I am a huge nerd, and I just can't leave well enough alone. So I thought to myself, well as long as I have time, I'll go and upgrade all the firmware and software for the scope! A great use of time right? *sigh*.
In my excitement, I failed to notice that my scope had shipped with the appropriate firmware already flashed into the handbox. I ended up flasing a much older version onto the device, which causes a 'FIRMWARE ERROR. RELOAD FIRMWARE' message on the box. Panic.
I ran around for a few minutes, during which time the autostar updater reconnected with the handbox, determined that it no longer had the most current firmware on it, and proceeded to notify me of a newer (the one I originally had on the thing) firmware was available. I told it to download the 235 meg file, and waited impatiently for what I hoped was the fix for my screwup.
After about an hours worth of downloading (I do live in WV and broadband out here is hard to come by), the new firmware was applied to the handbox, verified and the handbox was rebooted. Success! Thankfully, the re-flash worked like a charm to un-botch what I had botched. I was glad that the program handled the screwup fairly cleanly and I wasn't stuck sending the handbox off to be reflashed at the factory.
So now that I had wasted an hour and a half, it was properly dark! I powered up the scope again, and was happy to find that it was able to align itself completely automatically. The process involves slewing to a star, exposing a picture and performing some analysis on the picture to determine if the scope is in the right place. You are informed of each of these steps on the handbox as they are going on.
Once the alignment was correct, I had it slew on over to the moon of course, and was greeted with a nice, mostly centered practically full moon blasting light into my eye. Forgot my polarizing filter, whoops. Anyway, on over to jupiter. Again, the planet was in view, but not truly centered. This didn't bother me too much as I know there is a method to better train the drive later on. It was definitely 'close enough' for me, and I was thrilled that the GOTO was working as I had hoped.
The scope has a set of guided tours, the most interesting of which (to me at least) is the Best Of tour. The idea is that the scope will take you on a tour of some of the best views of objects that are 'up' that evening. I launched the tour and skipped over the moon and jupiter which were the first two objects listed. The scope then suggested the butterfly open cluster, so I had it take me over there.
If you press ENTER on the handbox, you are provided with two pieces of media. The first of which describes the general class of object you are going to be looking at (planet, open cluster, double star, nebula, etc). After the first bit is done, Sandy Wood of NPR fame comes on and give a brief specific description of the object that is somewhere between 15 seconds and a minute long. Frankly, I loved this feature, and feel that it will be tremendous for helping newbies to realize what they are looking at and why exactly it is cool.
After the audio intro plays, the scope slews on over to the object. Once again, it was in the field of view of the 26mm eyepiece I was using, but not 100% centered. Views were excellent due to the fine seeing, though the insanely bright moon I'm sure was cutting into my experience somewhat.
I do want to mention the view of Alberio that the tour took me on. The double star was frankly just stunning. The yellow and blue pair were bright, crisp, and the colors were vibrant in a way that they were not through my dob. I think I actually stood there and said 'wow' a few times outloud to no one in particular while gazing at it.
To make a long story short, I skipped around through the Best Of tour for another two hours or so before the scope went low voltage and requested a reboot. I packed it up at that point and took it inside. It was fairly manageable weight wise, and far less unwieldy than my dob of the same apature.
Overall, I am very pleased with this scope and in fact had it out again the next night. Same experience with the lighting, you really do need to wait at least 30-40 minutes after dark to even attempt the alignment, even though they guide stars it was choosing are easily visible to the naked eye.
I checked out a few of the messier objects last night, again with great weather. Unfortunately, the full moon was once again insanely bright and was washing out most of the views. The ring nebula was in fact a ring, but most of the other stuff was 'fuzzy gray blob' at best, or simply washed out to the point of being unviewable at worst (though I don't consider this to be a problem with the scope of course).
Tonight I hope to have a chance to train the drives and center the camera tracking so that objects end up closer to the center of the view. I'll keep everyone posted should any other issues arise. I hope this was helpful.
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I had the same reaction when I looked at Albireo, the optics on this scope are fantastic. I concur on the batteries. I bought the AC adapter at the same time I got the scope but did try it on batteries the first night and got about the same amount of time you did. Too frustrating. Much more enjoyable when it's hooked up to the adapter and you don't worry about losing power.
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thank you everyone who posted a review of the telescope. it looks really cool. and glad its working right!
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 The jury is still out on the ETX-LS. Mine is back at Meade since the auto-alignment continues to fail amongst other issues. As mentioned earlier the best info on the scope is Mike Weasoner's Mighty ETX website....http://www.weasner.com/etx/menu.html I would be interested to know if anyone has had any success using the mini-SD to take photos with the CCD (wide view of course). I hope someone from Meade is reading these reports.
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I'm just wondering when the scope said it was too bright for an alignment...how dark was it? At that time, were you able to see a few of the brightest stars without optical aid?
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Yes, I was able to see some of the brightest stars with the naked eye. I would say it was about quarter after 8pm here when I attempted the second alignment and the scope failed. I find I have to wait until after 8:30pm or so before it will be successful.
When the scope told me that it was too bright out, rather than trying and failing, it was nearer to 7:00pm or so, and the sun was basically still up.
As for the CCD, I found my mini-SD adapter tonight, so as soon as I find the microSD card that goes into it, I'll give a few pictures a shot and post them here so you can see how they turn out. The moon is ridiculously bright right now, so some of the dark sky stuff might be washed out, but we'll see what we get.
So, below is a picture using the built in camera. I actually attempted several other pictures playing with the exposure times, but clouds were rolling in here and I didn't get much of a chance to tweak. The bottom line though is that for any even semi-serious astrophotography purposes, the built in imager is not going to cut it.
I think the exposure settings on this were about 1/10th of a second. Several others I took at longer exposures were washed out completely. I also took a 2 minute and a 4 minute exposure of the butterfly nebula, but it basically barely showed anything. I don't know if that was a factor of the moon shine, or just the imager sucking. Hope this helps.
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I just reviewed one of these for the BBC: The Sky at Night. Very innovative telescope. FWIW, Mine did not appear to suffer from the alignment/camera issue.
It's (IMO) a very good beginner telescope. At least as long as everything works (and the beginner has the cash).
-------------------- Hyperbole - undoubtedly the best thing ever.
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A possible alternative to an AC power supply is a jumpstart battery. I've used both an AC adapter and a jumpstart battery on my DS-2000, ETX, and LXD mounts and they worked great. I use the internal battery packs for short road trips.
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Meade LXD75-N6/SN6/SC8, DSX-90, ETX-60BB, ETX-125PE, DS-2130
Orion StarBlast, BinoViewers, Coronado PST
Rebel XT/XTi, DSI Pro (I, II, & III), DSI, LPI, Electronic Eyepiece, Phillips SPC900NC
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marc7000
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I have been trying to sucessfully align the scope for the last few days. I tried in my backyard and open fields with no success. Meade will probably want me to return the scope for repairs from our last conversation. I will return the scope to the seller since I only have 30 days to do so. I don't want to take a chance down the road and have the scope never work as advertised. I will be losing $150 in shipping and accessories, and wish Meade would have given me what it promised. I really wanted this scope to work. My recommendations to those wanting to get this scope, is wait until more reviews come out since I may be a minority.
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rollout
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Here is a link to a LS Review sent out by Meade via Twitter:
http://www.robertjdalby.com/?p=374
Bill
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rmollise
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Quote:
Here is a link to a LS Review sent out by Meade via Twitter:
http://www.robertjdalby.com/?p=374
Bill
Nicely done review...and I certainly think this has the potential to be an impressive scope. Meade just needs to take steps to make sure they WORK--out of the box--and that we are not back on the RCX merry-go-round of DEATH.
Personally, I'll need to play with one to be a believer.
Edited by rmollise (09/10/09 06:36 PM)
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ColoHank
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Nicely done review
Nicely done advertisement. For gosh sakes, the guy states very clearly that he's a dealer.
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Questar 3.5 standard - pyrex and BB coatings
Powerguide II
8mm, 12mm, 16mm, 24mm and 32mm Brandons
modified Bogen 3030 w/ homebuilt wedge
Homebuilt Galileo scope and very large and ugly homemade tripod
other odds and ends, including iPod Touch with StarMap Pro (what a marvelous combo)...
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jgraham
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A nice article, thanks for the link. The author clearly states he's a distributor and the reader can take that into account.
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Meade LXD75-N6/SN6/SC8, DSX-90, ETX-60BB, ETX-125PE, DS-2130
Orion StarBlast, BinoViewers, Coronado PST
Rebel XT/XTi, DSI Pro (I, II, & III), DSI, LPI, Electronic Eyepiece, Phillips SPC900NC
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rmollise
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Quote:
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Nicely done review
Nicely done advertisement. For gosh sakes, the guy states very clearly that he's a dealer.
Well, yeah, I know that...
-------------------- Uncle Rod
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geminijk
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At lease he DID say he was a dealer and biased, wasn't hiding that fact. Either way, the review is extremely detailed and how a review should be IMO. Now don't take that and run with it fella's. Yes, yes i know, he's a meade dealer and everything. I know how marketing works. I'm just pointing out that at least the format was thorough. So many times I see a review that skims on details, a few paragraphs and thats it. I think if he didn't point out the fact he was a dealer, we may be talking more about how thorough it was and not the possibility or probability, however you want to approach it, that the info was inaccurate. I'm just giving credit where I think some credit is due, that reviews should be more detailed, that's all. Oh yes, and more objective.
I can't wait till I can see one in the field and get up close and personal so that an objective and unbiased review can occur. 
John
-------------------- Celestron Ultima 8 PEC w/GSO 9x50 RACI Finder
6" Meade ETX-LS
6" Orion Intelliscope Dob
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...I certainly think this has the potential to be an impressive scope. Meade just needs to take steps to make sure they WORK--out of the box--and that we are not back on the RCX merry-go-round of DEATH.
Agreed.
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Personally, I'll need to play with one to be a believer.
I know what you mean.
T
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Matthew Ota
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I sure hope Meade gets the ETX-LS problems fixed fast. I cannot believe how they could let so many faulty units off of their factory floor.
In the meantime, their tried and true LX200GPS/RC/ACF mounts and AutoStar II software soldier on flawlessly, at least in my experience..
-------------------- Matthew Ota
Meade LX250GPS 10 inch SCT (Frankenscope)
Orion ED 80
ETX-90 OTA
Coronado Helios 1 H-alpha
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brobak
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For what its worth, firmware version 1.2g is now out which is supposed to address some of the initial issues with 1.07. Be aware that you need to update to version 5.9 of the automatic updater program before you apply this patch. If you try to apply it with 5.8, you can brick your handbox, requiring a fix through the mini-sd card. If you have the SD card, you don't need to worry, but just a heads up.
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rmollise
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For what its worth, firmware version 1.2g is now out which is supposed to address some of the initial issues with 1.07. Be aware that you need to update to version 5.9 of the automatic updater program before you apply this patch. If you try to apply it with 5.8, you can brick your handbox, requiring a fix through the mini-sd card. If you have the SD card, you don't need to worry, but just a heads up.
I have _heard_ (but not confirmed) that the update has been pulled back.
-------------------- Uncle Rod
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I sure hope Meade gets the ETX-LS problems fixed fast.
I cannot believe how they could let so many faulty units off of their factory floor.
In the meantime, their tried and true LX200GPS/RC/ACF mounts and AutoStar II software soldier on flawlessly, at least in my experience..
Looking back to the days when Autostar first came out... shows this (initially flaky software) is pretty much par for the course.
There was no shortage of bugs that were discovered, ironed out, which created new bugs. It went on for a very long time before the software "matured" to the point that folks didn't feel like beta testers.
Deja vu, all over again.
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A few telescopes of dubious value.
Understanding wife, two curious cats and one sadly departed.
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Looking back to the days when Autostar first came out... shows this (initially flaky software) is pretty much par for the course. There was no shortage of bugs that were discovered, ironed out, which created new bugs. It went on for a very long time before the software "matured" to the point that folks didn't feel like beta testers.
Deja vu, all over again.
Ready... Fire... Aim!
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Questar 3.5 standard - pyrex and BB coatings
Powerguide II
8mm, 12mm, 16mm, 24mm and 32mm Brandons
modified Bogen 3030 w/ homebuilt wedge
Homebuilt Galileo scope and very large and ugly homemade tripod
other odds and ends, including iPod Touch with StarMap Pro (what a marvelous combo)...
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Just a guess but I really believe that the issues we are hearing about are all related to a BAD CCD camera not being able to focus on the alignment stars; so the scope NEVER aligns.
Just a guess right now.
-------------------- LX90 8" LNT, SV Nighthawk & TelePOD, SV 80/9D & M4 mount, ETX 90, Orion XT10i, 20x80 binoculars, SV-BV3s-- www.texasastro.org
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there is a lot of technologies melded together for this scope, any or all of which can contribute to the issues seen. As with any production piece of equipment that relies so much on a great deal of technology there are going to be teething issues.
-------------------- There are no winners in war, only bigger losers.
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Joe Lalumia
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Seems to be a new FIX on the Mighty ETX (LS) web site, new firmware that corrects slow GPS acquisition and the new Updater Software version 5.9.
http://www.weasner.com/etx/feedback/current/etx-ls.html
-------------------- LX90 8" LNT, SV Nighthawk & TelePOD, SV 80/9D & M4 mount, ETX 90, Orion XT10i, 20x80 binoculars, SV-BV3s-- www.texasastro.org
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Peter9
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I think it is disgraceful that Meade are still allowing the ETX-LS to be sold. They should have learned from past mistakes and should not have put this product on the market until the problems were sorted. They most certainly should withdraw it until they sort them out. Christmas is not far off and a lot of first time buyers, new to the hobby, are going to be put off Astronomy for good should one of these faulty scopes end up under their Christmas tree. We need the Meade's of this world in the market place, selling good scopes and competing with Celestron and the like to maintain standards and fair prices. If Meade continue to do business in this way they may not be around much longer to do so.
Peter.
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Some of the pleasure I get from life I owe to Astronomy.
Astronomy does not owe me a thing.
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Nexstar 8se
150mm Helios Newton Reflector EQ 3 G.E.M.
6.3mm 10mm Plossls. Celestron 25mm & 40mm E.Ps. 8mm x 24mm Baader Hyperion Zoom. 2x Barlow. 9x50 R.A.C.I Finderscope. G.L.P and Bracket. Dew Shield. Home made Solar filter. Home made H.C Holder.(Great Asset). Maplin's 12V 17ah Auto Start Unit.
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Sadly, it's the opinion of many that Meade may have already "jumped the shark" and finds itself being slowly digested by the economy, competition, and an abysmal customer service and quality assurance history.
I love both my Meades; optically, they're as good as any instruments I've ever used. They're mechanically and electronically quirky, but functional and once you learn their idiosyncrasies, pretty reliable. If either one of my AutoStar mounts fails in the future, however, I can't seriously say I'd bother with Meade's customer service to remedy it. I'd probably either try to fix it myself, or just take the OTA off and remount it on something else. Much as I love my scopes, the horror stories of others has not endeared me to their cause.
-------------------- Tim
Champion of small aperture scopes everywhere!
Meade ETX-125PE
Meade ETX-80
Celestron FirstScope 76mm Mini-dob
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nytecam
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Must admit I had high hopes for this scope [not for myself -the 12" LX200 in the ob for a decade is just fine] but for newbies or those on-the-move.
As an aside I had a couple early Meade ETX-70s and 2090s for disposal through our club and spent seemingly endless time tuning them up and explaining initial alignment but to no avail - I'd forgotten what a complete novice expected of a telescope The concept of pointing north and levelling the scope meant nothing when they wanted to just point at the moon and that bright star they could already see - the idea of getting the scope to find things they couldn't see was, for the time being, meaningless - ho hum
-------------------- Nytecam 51N 0.1W
Meade 30cm LX200+ETX-70+e-finder+C8+Ha+CaK PSTs SBIG SGS+homebuilt spectrographs
Starlight SXVF_M9+Lodestar CCDs/Canon 300D DSLR/Fuji E550
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rigel123
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I must be dealing with a different Meade. I have not had near the problems with customer service. I spoke with Vincent at Meade when I erased the data on my Autostar and we quickly decided to go ahead and send the scope in to replace the MiniSD reader which was faulty and update the software. I get quick replies from email requests and they return my calls in a timely manner.
With all the negative I will be interested to see how quickly I get my scope back.
-------------------- ETX-LS 6"
8" Meade Dob
DSI III Pro Monochome
LPI
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wfj
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Meade's in a rough patch - they need novelty (ETX-LS), profitability (low parts/mfr/support/RMA cost), and volume (1,000's - 10,000's).
If its not built cheaply, you won't make it up on volume.
If you wait to get all the bugs out, it's novelty will be lost.
If you don't stuff the pipe fast enough, you'll never make it to break even volumes.
Its hard in business. It's harder still in a niche business like supplying to scope heads. It's even harder still to sell into the volume consumer side, where a few pennies of upfront cost per unit may determine the fate of not only a product line, but put at risk your whole company.
Meade's just a company like any other - good times and bad.
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They should still have done some QC to make sure most units were up to par. If it's mostly software issues it make you wonder why they weren't detected and fixed prior to distribution. I mean my lx200 classic had issues, but you'd think Meade would learn from their mistakes
-------------------- Takahashi TSC 225
WO Megrez 102
Meade ETX 90, ETX 125
Meade LX90
Classic Orange tube C14, C90, C5+
Etc,Etc,Etc!!
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So Meade's going through a rough patch. All the more reason to make sure they put out a product that's not faulty. Surely the ETX-LS is only going to make their patch rougher. You don't turn things round by trying to sell shoddy goods.
Peter.
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Some of the pleasure I get from life I owe to Astronomy.
Astronomy does not owe me a thing.
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Nexstar 8se
150mm Helios Newton Reflector EQ 3 G.E.M.
6.3mm 10mm Plossls. Celestron 25mm & 40mm E.Ps. 8mm x 24mm Baader Hyperion Zoom. 2x Barlow. 9x50 R.A.C.I Finderscope. G.L.P and Bracket. Dew Shield. Home made Solar filter. Home made H.C Holder.(Great Asset). Maplin's 12V 17ah Auto Start Unit.
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rigel123
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Having sold laboratory equipment for nearly 30 years I'm not surprised there are software glitches with the LS being new on the market. This is often the case with new analyzers too. You can do QC, but until you have a variety of users testing it out, it has gone through a shipping process, the QC of the component parts (the mini SD reader)is under control, etc., you don't always find the quirks until it's in the hands of normal users. I like to think of myself as a Beta tester and I'll be patient as long as turn around time doesn't start to drag on. If that happens you can kiss the equipment goodbye.
-------------------- ETX-LS 6"
8" Meade Dob
DSI III Pro Monochome
LPI
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kabes
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I've had cloudy skies for too many days in a row, still waiting to be able to test mine out Though I can say that it at least finds North and it's GPS position quickly during the day (then the voice says "sorry, it's still too bright out" without even bothering to take pics with the CCD once it gets the correct time from the GPS sats)... I upgraded it to the new 1.2g out of the box.
Couple complaints: The OTA and mount had some white residue on it (that came off fine with a damp paper towl), maybe something from the factory. Everything else was fine. Also they were too cheap to include a USB cable which would have cost them a dozen cents or so. It uses the standard USB-A to USB-B cord which you can get off something like your printer.
here's a few pics: Side shot front shot back shot
-------------------- Meade ETX-LS 6" ACF
Celestron Skymaster 15x70
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kabes
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I got to use it a bit tonight, and alignment went perfectly. As I said above I am using the newest 1.2g firmware meade just put out.
Total alignment from turning the switch on took about 10-15 minutes or so. Just enough time to get everything set up, all my accessories out, etc.
This is my experience with the alignment procedure and the order things went:
1. Acquires GPS satellites for location and time (this was fast compared to what i've read). 30-60 seconds
2. Finds north (the scope spins around a couple times here). 1-2 minutes
3. Measures the level/tilt of the scope to compensate if you didn't put the tripod perfectly level. 1-2 minutes
4. Picks the first alignment star (mine was Vega), slews to it, then took a 4 or 5 second CCD exposure.
5. Scope informed me that it couldn't see Vega, so it slewed a bit to the one side, took another pic, then found it. It then took 2 or 3 more exposures as it made fine adjustments to its position. This took around 2 minutes.
6. Picked a second alignment star and slewed to it. This was behind a tree and after taking one exposure it picked another star instead.
7. Slewed to the new star, which was now in frame for the first exposure. Took a couple more exposures as it fine tuned its position.
8. All done.
I immediately tried looking at Jupiter and it was centered in a 9.7mm eyepiece. Same thing with M13, M57, and M31 which I tried after.
Pretty happy with it! I also turned it off and let it align again and it did so without any problems. So either I'm lucky or the 1.2g firmware made some improvements.
As for the scope itself views were great. I was surprised how well I could see m57 considering how light polluted it is here. I'm really looking forward to getting a look at the moon later this week.
edit: also the audio stuff it does is pretty fun. Every object I looked at had a nice little blurb, and the speaker is pretty good quality. I hope Meade gets all the problems worked out cause when this thing does what it's supposed to, it's pretty sweet. I had a lot of fun with it.
Edited by kabes (09/24/09 01:14 AM)
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geminijk
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you don't always find the quirks until it's in the hands of normal users.
I couldn't agree with that more. I've been in information technology for 11 years, and that rings true for every release I've been involved in.
john
-------------------- Celestron Ultima 8 PEC w/GSO 9x50 RACI Finder
6" Meade ETX-LS
6" Orion Intelliscope Dob
http://twitter.com/geminijk
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geminijk
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I got to use it a bit tonight, and alignment went perfectly. As I said above I am using the newest 1.2g firmware meade just put out.
Total alignment from turning the switch on took about 10-15 minutes or so. Just enough time to get everything set up, all my accessories out, etc.
This is my experience with the alignment procedure and the order things went:
1. Acquires GPS satellites for location and time (this was fast compared to what i've read). 30-60 seconds 2. Finds north (the scope spins around a couple times here). 1-2 minutes 3. Measures the level/tilt of the scope to compensate if you didn't put the tripod perfectly level. 1-2 minutes 4. Picks the first alignment star (mine was Vega), slews to it, then took a 4 or 5 second CCD exposure. 5. Scope informed me that it couldn't see Vega, so it slewed a bit to the one side, took another pic, then found it. It then took 2 or 3 more exposures as it made fine adjustments to its position. This took around 2 minutes. 6. Picked a second alignment star and slewed to it. This was behind a tree and after taking one exposure it picked another star instead. 7. Slewed to the new star, which was now in frame for the first exposure. Took a couple more exposures as it fine tuned its position. 8. All done.
I immediately tried looking at Jupiter and it was centered in a 9.7mm eyepiece. Same thing with M13, M57, and M31 which I tried after.
Pretty happy with it! I also turned it off and let it align again and it did so without any problems. So either I'm lucky or the 1.2g firmware made some improvements.
As for the scope itself views were great. I was surprised how well I could see m57 considering how light polluted it is here. I'm really looking forward to getting a look at the moon later this week.
edit: also the audio stuff it does is pretty fun. Every object I looked at had a nice little blurb, and the speaker is pretty good quality. I hope Meade gets all the problems worked out cause when this thing does what it's supposed to, it's pretty sweet. I had a lot of fun with it.
Nice to have the details on the times you experienced for total alignment, thanks. Sounds like you really enjoy it. Can't wait till I can get my hands on one myself.
Now if they can just make a scope (Meade or Celestron) then can view through these clouds, I'll be set.
john
-------------------- Celestron Ultima 8 PEC w/GSO 9x50 RACI Finder
6" Meade ETX-LS
6" Orion Intelliscope Dob
http://twitter.com/geminijk
http://amateurastrotech.wordpress.com
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rigel123
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That sounds more like my first experience with mine although I had a more open view so the first two alignment stars went without a hitch. You echo my first impressions with the optics that for a 6 inch scope I'm surprised at what I can see in a light polluted area. The moon is great, I'll attach a shot I took with the scope. Have fun!
-------------------- ETX-LS 6"
8" Meade Dob
DSI III Pro Monochome
LPI
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Wow 10-15 mins. Not good if you are an impatient type, but then again gives the tube a little time to cool down.
-------------------- Takahashi TSC 225
WO Megrez 102
Meade ETX 90, ETX 125
Meade LX90
Classic Orange tube C14, C90, C5+
Etc,Etc,Etc!!
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kabes
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Took my first images with the scope tonight. Here's a moon shot... prime focus.
Link to Prime Focus image here.
Edited for CN size restrictions.
Also here's some I did using eyepiece projection to the DSLR. Seeing was pretty bad.
Edited by Shadowalker (10/04/09 01:15 PM)
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Wow! Being a Meade junkie, I'm thrilled to hear that the ETX-LS is working just as advertised. I'm sure that other commercial telescope corporations are envying this technology, and will soon try to recreate (or possibly better?) it. Way to keep technology moving! P.S. I took a look at the moon tonight (from the apartment, just manually moving R.A. and DEC, and Quite frankly, your camera images are 100% better than my visuals). It's yet another moment that makes my night. Congrats!
-------------------- Kipp Ginsburg
8" LX200-ACF
Orion 120mm F/5.0 Piggybacked Refractor
Meade UWA Set [4.7mm-30mm]
DSI-II
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rmollise
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Wow! Being a Meade junkie, I'm thrilled to hear that the ETX-LS is working just as advertised. I'm sure that other commercial telescope corporations are envying this technology, and will soon try to recreate (or possibly better?) it. Way to keep technology moving! P.S. I took a look at the moon tonight (from the apartment, just manually moving R.A. and DEC, and Quite frankly, your camera images are 100% better than my visuals). It's yet another moment that makes my night. Congrats!
SOME are working as designed. Others...Not So Much. 
The telescope has a lot of potential, I hope Meade is on top of things.
-------------------- Uncle Rod
Rod's New Book:
Choosing and Using a New CAT
Available now!
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brobak
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I posted a first light review a few weeks ago with the 1.07 firmware. I wasn't having any issues with it, but I did upgrade to the 1.2g firmware that became available on the 18th. Unfortunately until last night, I hadn't had a chance to get the scope back out due to bad weather conditions.
This is of course only anecdotal, but after firing the scope back up last night on the new firmware, the tracking seemed to have improved by a decent amount. The scope booted and aligned normally using the automatic process just like it had with the 1.07 firmware, and was ready to go in about 10 minutes once it got dark enough. Previously though some of the GOTO tracking seemed to be substantially 'off' on a couple of night, despite calibrating the finder and the alt/az drives. Sometimes I would get the requested object in view, but other times I'd have to hunt around for it which kind of negates the whole purpose of the GOTO in the first place.
Last night though, things seemed to be really spot on, easily getting all of the requested objects into the field of view on the first try. I even tried some stuff intentionally as far from the alignment stars as possible given my site and still found that they ended up in view on the stock 26mm eyepiece moreso than any of the other nights I'd had the scope out.
This might have been a case of a lucky alignment for tonight, but I just thought I would pass the info along. I'll post more later if things continue in their improved state.
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dbs
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Just to check, where did you guys download the new firmware? I can't find it at Meade website
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The autostar updater should download it for you and install it: http://www.meade.com/support/auto.html
But here is a link to it zipped as well. I updated mine with the program, but in theory unzipping this file onto a fat32 formatted MiniSD card should also let it update.
http://www.meade.com/support/auto/etx-ls_v12g.zip
-------------------- Meade ETX-LS 6" ACF
Celestron Skymaster 15x70
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NorEaster
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Hello,
Hi, new memeber here. Looking to get a new telescope and I am having a tough time deciding between the ETX-LS and a Celestron NexStar 8 SE. Any thoughts?
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oldsalt
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Best advice is if you can try them both out if you can. If there is no local telescope shop, read as much as you can about both and then decide.
-------------------- There are no winners in war, only bigger losers.
Jim
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mclewis1
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Welcome to CN NorEaster,
Part of the answer comes down to your expectations and interest in the function of the scope and you're plans for the future. Simply put the ETX-LS has more features but you'll see more with the larger 8SE.
The automated setup of the ETX is certainly enticing. Will you value those extra features after you've used the scope for a while? Will you value the added flexibility of the SE (uses standard vixen compatible dovetail so the scope can be removed from the SE mount and placed on a different mount)? Will the better gears (worm vs. spur) of the ETX be of value to you? Are you interested in DSO imaging, if so neither scope in it's stock form is appropriate, you'll either have to add a wedge or better yet a complete new EQ mount.
Which ever scope you get it would be wise to not use your total budget on the new scope only. Figure on a few additional eyepieces, an external power supply, dew shield, adjustable chair, maybe a dew strip/controller as well to name just a few of the popular accessories.
-------------------- Mark
C11, C6, APM/TMB115, and AT80ED - Tandem mount CGE and CG-5A, WO EZ-Touch and AT Voyager
25x100s and 8x56s, T-Mount Light, Mark 1 eyeballs - Modded 350D, DSI-P, SPC900, Mallincam
Just because you can doesn't necessarily mean that you should
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kabes
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Both are good choices, but with the ETX-LS you may need to do a firmware update to get the best performance and the software still has some maturing to do.
Are you near or at a dark sky site? You may want as much aperture as you can get if you are. Are you into gadgets? Then you'll love the LS.
When the ETX-LS does what it is supposed to it's awesome. No fuss at all. Just bring it outside and turn it on. I am very happy with my purchase. Optics are great (have ACF version), aligns well by itself, tracks excellently, and has nice drives on it - it has no problem with a heavy DSLR and focal reducer attached to the back.
If this is your first scope you will also need to account for accessories and you can get the Nexstar + accessories for the same price as the LS (ACF) by itself. It comes down to the convenience fee of having it align by itself.
Meade also has a non-LS version coming out with 6" ACF optics that is probably priced around the same as the 8se or maybe a bit cheaper (the LT6)
my 2 cents
-------------------- Meade ETX-LS 6" ACF
Celestron Skymaster 15x70
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NorEaster
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thanks for the advice Mark, I have had bad luck with a goto telescope I got about 10 years ago when they were first coming out. Not sure how much better the 8SE is and if the auto align will actually work correctly on the new LS.
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NorEaster
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Both are good choices, but with the ETX-LS you may need to do a firmware update to get the best performance and the software still has some maturing to do.
Are you near or at a dark sky site? You may want as much aperture as you can get if you are. Are you into gadgets? Then you'll love the LS.
When the ETX-LS does what it is supposed to it's awesome. No fuss at all. Just bring it outside and turn it on. I am very happy with my purchase. Optics are great (have ACF version), aligns well by itself, tracks excellently, and has nice drives on it - it has no problem with a heavy DSLR and focal reducer attached to the back.
If this is your first scope you will also need to account for accessories and you can get the Nexstar + accessories for the same price as the LS (ACF) by itself. It comes down to the convenience fee of having it align by itself.
Meade also has a non-LS version coming out with 6" ACF optics that is probably priced around the same as the 8se or maybe a bit cheaper (the LT6)
my 2 cents
Thanks for the advice, one of my draws to the LS is the fact that I am a total gadget guy, lol. I will be observing from a pretty dark sky (green area on the dark sky map). How much benefit do you think an 8 inch scope would give me?
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Shadowalker
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Thanks for the advice, one of my draws to the LS is the fact that I am a total gadget guy, lol. I will be observing from a pretty dark sky (green area on the dark sky map). How much benefit do you think an 8 inch scope would give me?
Conventional wisdom says that "aperture wins." In general this is true. However there are other considerations. Conventional wisdom also says, "The best scope is the one you use." If a lighter 5 inch scope gets used more than a heavy 8 inch scope, the 5 inch scope is better.
In terms of what you can see, I've heard few complaints from ETX owners. I think I enjoyed visual observing with my 5 inch more than any other scope I had or have. And that's because it was so quick and easy to set up.
-------------------- Tom Nicolaides
http://www.first-light.org
My evil self is at that door, and I have no power to stop it
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geminijk
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Quote:
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Are you into gadgets? Then you'll love the LS.
When the ETX-LS does what it is supposed to it's awesome. No fuss at all. Just bring it outside and turn it on. I am very happy with my purchase. Optics are great (have ACF version), aligns well by itself, tracks excellently, and has nice drives on it - it has no problem with a heavy DSLR and focal reducer attached to the back. Meade also has a non-LS version coming out with 6" ACF optics that is probably priced around the same as the 8se or maybe a bit cheaper (the LT6)
my 2 cents
Thanks for the advice, one of my draws to the LS is the fact that I am a total gadget guy, lol. I will be observing from a pretty dark sky (green area on the dark sky map). How much benefit do you think an 8 inch scope would give me?
If your a gadget guy, its hard not to consider the ETX-LS or LT-6 (still goto and w/ACF, just doesn't auto-align, you need 2 star alignment). My 2 cents, I have an 8" and a 6". I use the smaller 6" scope way more often then the larger/heavier 8.
john
-------------------- Celestron Ultima 8 PEC w/GSO 9x50 RACI Finder
6" Meade ETX-LS
6" Orion Intelliscope Dob
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http://amateurastrotech.wordpress.com
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NorEaster
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anyone know where I can buy this telescope around the NYC area? I am hesistant to buy it online with some of the problems being reported.
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Shadowalker
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anyone know where I can buy this telescope around the NYC area? I am hesistant to buy it online with some of the problems being reported.
B&H Photo at 420 9th Avenue and Adorama at 42 West 18th Street
I'm sure there are more.
-------------------- Tom Nicolaides
http://www.first-light.org
My evil self is at that door, and I have no power to stop it
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geminijk
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Be very careful with those dealers and their return policies. It was years ago (1995), but Adorama would not tell me if they would accept a return of a Celestron Ultima 8 PEC if it had issues, gave me a run around, so I purchased from Tuthill (out of business). I was concerned myself if I had a problem with such an expensive piece of equipment.
Astronomics isn't in NY, but wonderful to deal with!
john
-------------------- Celestron Ultima 8 PEC w/GSO 9x50 RACI Finder
6" Meade ETX-LS
6" Orion Intelliscope Dob
http://twitter.com/geminijk
http://amateurastrotech.wordpress.com
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rmollise
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Be very careful with those dealers and their return policies. It was years ago (1995), but Adorama would not tell me if they would accept a return of a Celestron Ultima 8 PEC if it had issues, gave me a run around, so I purchased from Tuthill (out of business). I was concerned myself if I had a problem with such an expensive piece of equipment.
Astronomics isn't in NY, but wonderful to deal with!
john
Adorama does accept returns.
I would advise STRONGLY to stay from anybody of this type there other than Adorama and B&H Photo. There may be other "back of Pop Photography" outfits that are good, but these are proven to be so. I've dealt with both for years and never had a problem.
-------------------- Uncle Rod
Rod's New Book:
Choosing and Using a New CAT
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NorEaster
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I went with focus cameras in Brooklyn, they would accept it back within 14 days of purchase with no questions asked. They are listed on the Meade website as an authorized dealer. Going upstate this weknd, southern adriondacks. Will report back with my findings.
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geminijk
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Congrats on the new EXT-LS NorEaster! 
Glad Focus camera came right out and said they would accept return, no questions asked. Sounds like Uncle Rod has had some better experiences then I have had, I probably got someone that was having a bad day.
If you want to see some vendor reviews, check out link below. Maybe you should rate your own experience with Focus? http://www.excelsis.com/1.0/section.php?sectionid=24&lastsort=&findtext=&cond=&range=&archive=-1&page=0
John
-------------------- Celestron Ultima 8 PEC w/GSO 9x50 RACI Finder
6" Meade ETX-LS
6" Orion Intelliscope Dob
http://twitter.com/geminijk
http://amateurastrotech.wordpress.com
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Partow Izadi
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I have been looking for reviews on the LightSwith with little luck. Here are three that seem reasonably informative (each in different ways). Hope they prove helpful.
Myself, I still haven't made up my mind: I do want to venture into AP, but, as a father of four, I am on a budget. Anyway, a decent SCT would be OK but I am also considering AstroTech's new RC OTA. Whatever the OTA, the CCD has to be Mead's DSI III, can't afford anything more expensive.
Any suggestions?
P a r t o w , the guy from "FAZ" (i.e. "Freezing Astronomy Zone, or the Arctic Circle, Finland, where the greatest observation skies are when temperatures hover around -35)
Here are the Reviews:
<http://www.robertjdalby.com/?p=374> <http://www.weasner.com/etx/reviews/2009/etx-ls-6-acf.html> <http://www.amazon.com/Meade-Instruments-06100310-Lightswitch-Telescope/dp/B001WMA9H4>
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Partow Izadi
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Oops, just realized the first review had already been posted before (the one written by the "dealer" which, nonetheless, I thought was quite credible). Anyway, sorry for the double posting: I started taking interest in the new ETX-LS a few weeks ago, so I didn't check this thread earlier.
-------------------- P a r t o w -- the guy from "FAZ"
or: the "Freezing Astronomy Zone",
i.e. the Arctic Circle, Finland (Europe),
where the greatest observation skies
are when temperatures hover at -35̊
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AlexDJ30
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Partow..if you really want AP (really really)..then i would go for a GEM setup, if you want casual AP (planetary and some bright DSO from time to time not looking for excellent photos)then a Alt/azm mount can do it with their inherents problems.
Its a shame meade still dont do any wedge for the ETX-LS...for a bite longer exposure... but well its for Visual use and some planetary imagening. Thats it.
-------------------- Equipment:
- ETX 125 AT
- C6 ASGT
- WO 66mm SD
- 2.5X ED Barlow, 8-24mm Zoom Eyepice
- Canon EOS Rebel XSi
- Celestron Nextimagen
- Orion Starshoot CCD cam
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rigel123
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Sent my LS into Meade after I fried the Autostar by trying to update. Sent it in on the 9th of September and got it back on the 8th of October, so with 2 weeks of shipping I'm happy with the turn around. According to the notes they fixed the Micro SD Card Reader, updated the software and tweaked the GPS alignment. Just got back from a business trip and it's supposed to be clear tomorrow so excited to get it back out and running. I'll report back on how it goes, although I really didn't have any complaints before I fried the software!
-------------------- ETX-LS 6"
8" Meade Dob
DSI III Pro Monochome
LPI
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rmollise
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Myself, I still haven't made up my mind: I do want to venture into AP, but, as a father of four, I am on a budget. Anyway, a decent SCT would be OK but I am also considering AstroTech's new RC OTA. Whatever the OTA, the CCD has to be Mead's DSI III, can't afford anything more expensive.
Any suggestions?
Yes, if imaging is your goal, look elsewhere. A go-to GEM like the Celestron CG5 or Meade LXD 75 with the OTA of your choice on it is the place to start. The CG5, in particular, is nicely priced and will get you going in astrophotography.
-------------------- Uncle Rod
Rod's New Book:
Choosing and Using a New CAT
Available now!
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Partow Izadi
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