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Levine
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Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric!
      #4392949 - 02/17/11 04:01 PM

This "Holy Grail" planetary eyepiece is often talked about, but seldom seen.
They apparently have come in many forms over the years. The 10mm f/l is most often referred to, but we know there are others out there.

Show us a picture of yours.
To your eyes, how does it compare to its closest competitors out there?
What era does your example-or examples-come from?



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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4392975 - 02/17/11 04:10 PM Attachment (187 downloads)

I can't post a pic as I borrowed one for a few months a while back. Basically it bested everything...TMB Supermonos, ZAOs. Best contrast I've ever seen and least scatter (nonexistent) I've ever encountered from any production eyepiece. Focus snap was the best I've ever experienced.

I believe these things break the 3 digit mark in costs. So likely to spend more than a grand for one if you ever were able to find one.

Here's a pic of some FLs of Bill Rose's from another thread here...his 10mm is the one I borrowed -

Edited by BillP (02/17/11 04:28 PM)


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: BillP]
      #4392998 - 02/17/11 04:20 PM

Quote:

I can't post a pic as I borrowed one for a few months a while back. Basically it bested everything...TMB Supermonos, ZAOs. Best contrast I've ever seen and least scatter (nonexistent) I've ever encountered from any production eyepiece. Focus snap was the best I've ever experienced.

I believe these things break the 3 digit mark in costs. So likely to spend more than a grand for one if you ever were able to find one.




Your performance and sticker price comments are spot on, based on what I've read...


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4393095 - 02/17/11 05:23 PM Attachment (133 downloads)

Bill,

More than three digits sounds about right, I know of one being auctioned and it's over $1000 with two days left.

Here's mine:


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4393119 - 02/17/11 05:35 PM Attachment (128 downloads)

John,

I know of only two styles. I believe mine is the latter style. I believe the earlier style looks similar to my 10mm ortho - pictured below, only it would have the word "mon." where "orth." is.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: PJ Anway]
      #4393121 - 02/17/11 05:36 PM

VERY NICE!!!

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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: BillP]
      #4393134 - 02/17/11 05:45 PM

Quote:


Here's a pic of some FLs of Bill Rose's from another thread here...his 10mm is the one I borrowed -




..."SOME focal lengths"...!

Good grief.

...how...many...does he have...anyway..?


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: PJ Anway]
      #4393146 - 02/17/11 05:52 PM Attachment (118 downloads)

Quote:

John,

I know of only two styles. I believe mine is the latter style. I believe the earlier style looks similar to my 10mm ortho - pictured below, only it would have the word "mon."
where "orth." is.




Here is a pic of an even older example from @ 1930's. It is a 40mm model in brass that was featured in the CN classifieds this past July:

Edited by Levine (02/17/11 05:56 PM)


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: BillP]
      #4393255 - 02/17/11 06:44 PM

Quote:

Basically it bested everything...TMB Supermonos, ZAOs. Best contrast I've ever seen and least scatter (nonexistent) I've ever encountered from any production eyepiece. Focus snap was the best I've ever experienced.






You mean, it bested the balls?


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Sgt]
      #4393322 - 02/17/11 07:15 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Basically it bested everything...TMB Supermonos, ZAOs. Best contrast I've ever seen and least scatter (nonexistent) I've ever encountered from any production eyepiece. Focus snap was the best I've ever experienced.






You mean, it bested the balls?








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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4393571 - 02/17/11 08:49 PM

Did not have the balls side by side with the ZMs so can;t say for sure. But I would give up my ball for a ZM I think

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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: BillP]
      #4393623 - 02/17/11 09:03 PM

Quote:

Did not have the balls side by side with the ZMs so can;t say for sure. But I would give up my ball for a ZM I think






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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: BillP]
      #4393710 - 02/17/11 09:40 PM

Quote:

Did not have the balls side by side with the ZMs so can;t say for sure. But I would give up my ball for a ZM I think






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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: BillP]
      #4393997 - 02/18/11 12:34 AM

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But I would give up my ball for a ZM I think




LOL...you are funny! But the ball can be easily replaced.

Seriously I also asked him to lend me the ZM so I can compare directly with the ZAO-II and SM, but he didn't respond. Glad you managed to do the comparison.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Richard Low]
      #4394099 - 02/18/11 02:21 AM

Ixnay on the allsbay, guys. I hear Carol running down the hall.

So what focal lengths were produced in each style?


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Richard Low]
      #4394278 - 02/18/11 06:51 AM Attachment (74 downloads)

Quote:

Quote:

But I would give up my ball for a ZM I think




LOL...you are funny! But the ball can be easily replaced.





Oh yeah?

When's the last time you saw a set of the Coutureball Fused Silica "Pretty in Pink" series??

You haven't.

'Cause I have the ONLY full set.

And it's NOT for sale.

Bwahahahahaha....


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Jim Rosenstock]
      #4394308 - 02/18/11 07:33 AM

Nice set you have there!

I happen to have a set of four ball eps too, but these are Lowballs (:

I would be happy to give up this set to anyone who could lend me a ZM6 or ZM10 for me to conduct a series of ep. comparison testing. Seriously.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Richard Low]
      #4394335 - 02/18/11 07:56 AM

Quote:

Nice set you have there!

I happen to have a set of four ball eps too, but these are Lowballs (:




Ugh. Asian knockoffs.

You'll be hearing from Mr. Couture's attorney forthwith.

Also, expect a visit from his personal representatives, Vinnie and Guido. They supplement his legal team for out-of-court negotiations.

Jim


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Richard Low]
      #4394368 - 02/18/11 08:17 AM

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Lowballs




Did you say "loveballs"?



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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: MADRID SKY]
      #4394473 - 02/18/11 09:20 AM

Ok guys, please let it go before I get the smackdown for starting this!

So in summary, no one knows if the Zeiss monocentrics perform better than the DIY singlet ball lens eyepieces.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Sgt]
      #4394561 - 02/18/11 10:02 AM

LOL... I had the ball of a time reading your replies, thank you guys!

BillP, could you do another 6mm planetary ep. review and include both the ZM6 and 6mm ball-lens ep?


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4397632 - 02/19/11 06:15 PM

Any other Zeiss Mono pix out there?

There is a question as to whether a singlet lens could better a ZM of equal focal length in a head to head comparo.
There is some merit to this.
We have had many reports on this forum of singlets besting TMB SM's and ZAO's.
And, in theory, a suitably polished homogeneous substrate should equal or better a fused triplet, regardless of care in construction.
The sweet spot for each would be rather similar.
This has at least one significant implication: ZM performance at 1/10th the cost, in a package that is readily available to all.
Singlets are an accessible do it yourself project, or available through others, such as S. Couture and H. Siebert.

Edited by Levine (02/21/11 08:03 AM)


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4397787 - 02/19/11 07:20 PM Attachment (114 downloads)

Bought this mint 6mm from someone in China. I was so pleased I asked him if he had others. He said no but he did have a 5mm Nikon Ortho. Bought both with considerable savings from what I would have paid in the States. No, they are not clones:-).

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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: TPMack]
      #4400307 - 02/20/11 08:42 PM

Well the auction for the Zeiss 10mm monocentric has ended. The final bid was nearly $1400. WOW!!

Here is the link: LINK


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: PJ Anway]
      #4401279 - 02/21/11 10:38 AM

Holy Smokes! Could be a record for a .965/1.25" eyepiece?? Even higher than the 32mm Zeiss ZAOs usually demand.
I think there is another one up for bidding on German E-Bay.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: TPMack]
      #4401349 - 02/21/11 11:16 AM

Quote:

Holy Smokes! Could be a record for a .965/1.25" eyepiece?? Even higher than the 32mm Zeiss ZAOs usually demand.
I think there is another one up for bidding on German E-Bay.




Could you post a link?


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: PJ Anway]
      #4401368 - 02/21/11 11:27 AM

Quote:

Well the auction for the Zeiss 10mm monocentric has ended. The final bid was nearly $1400. WOW!!

Here is the link: LINK




I think this is probably the norm. Last year or so when I borrowed a 10 Z Mono I recall we insured it for $1500 with the posting. If you want one, you need to pay this amount.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: BillP]
      #4401463 - 02/21/11 12:18 PM

Wait a moment. I hope the one that paid 1000 for that Zeiss glass is paying for an historic, vintage product that is not longer made, and NOT for a glass that has reached a degree of "GOD of High Resolution".

I hope he paid more for the vintage thing than for the HR issue, becouse you can get similar performance for 1/10 of that price IF you know what to look for.



S'PR (Samuel's Pending Report) will show you how. Did I say that before?

Haha!



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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4401483 - 02/21/11 12:29 PM

Here it is:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Carl-Zeiss-Jena-Okular-Monozentrisch-10-M-/120687714979?pt=Optik_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1c198c62a3

I hesitated when I was offered a 6mm for $400 just a couple of years ago. I'm now glad I took the plunge.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: TPMack]
      #4401501 - 02/21/11 12:38 PM

The auction went from 10 to 300 in just a moment. It's like saying... "who cares"?

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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: BillP]
      #4402455 - 02/21/11 08:18 PM

Quote:

Did not have the balls side by side with the ZMs so can;t say for sure. But I would give up my ball for a ZM I think




Hi Bill,

I've been camping the laat 3+ weeks - another "Griswald Vacation" experience.........another 3 weeks to go.

I've got my Zeiss Monocentrics, Supermonos, ZAO's, and Couture Balls with me.................but I haven't received my TEC110 at any of my locations..........so no travel scope - no evaluations. Supposed to have had it last week.

I installed the 6mm & 10mm Zeiss monocentrics lenses in a 1.25" EP exactly like i did with the Couture Balls - sacrilege for sure with the purists. I'll take a picture tomorrow before I head out for MS or LA.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4405829 - 02/23/11 11:44 AM Attachment (73 downloads)

Hi John,

I guess this is what you are looking for.

This is the eyepiece case of my 1950 Zeiss AS-80/1200, which came from the laboratory of an East Germany famous rocket scientist...


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Max Lattanzi]
      #4405831 - 02/23/11 11:45 AM Attachment (61 downloads)

...third from the right is the eyepiece you are looking for... I know have to clean it...

Hope this helps,

-- Max


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Max Lattanzi]
      #4405859 - 02/23/11 12:02 PM

Quote:

Hi John,

I guess this is what you are looking for.

This is the eyepiece case of my 1950 Zeiss AS-80/1200, which came from the laboratory of an East Germany famous rocket scientist...




(PM sent)



Wow.



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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4405875 - 02/23/11 12:07 PM

Believe it or not, there is another (late model) Mono-10 available on German Ebay! Four days left on the sale, and the price is already over $1000.

Get it while it is still *ahem* cheap!!

Edited by Levine (02/23/11 12:26 PM)


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4405954 - 02/23/11 12:41 PM

Hi Levine,

Thanks for starting this thread. I really enjoy seeing the pictures. Now if I can only change that H to a M on my Carl Zeiss Jena eyepiece.

George


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4405972 - 02/23/11 12:46 PM

Quote:

Believe it or not, there is another (late model) Mono-10 available on German Ebay! Four days left on the sale, and the price is already over $1000.

Get it while it is still *ahem* cheap!!




Not that I'm planning to do this, but is it possible for non-Germans to get into the bidding?


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Abbe]
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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Ed Kessler]
      #4405996 - 02/23/11 12:55 PM

Quote:


Not that I'm planning to do this, but is it possible for non-Germans to get into the bidding?




As long as you are a registered individual on Ebay, simply log on to German (or other) eBay, confirm that the seller is willing to ship to USA (most are), and start bidding.
You can monitor your progress, and link to the German site, from the US version.

Edited by Levine (02/23/11 12:56 PM)


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4406024 - 02/23/11 01:08 PM

Quote:






Can't be that much better than my ZAO!


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Ed Kessler]
      #4406149 - 02/23/11 02:05 PM

Quote:

Quote:






Can't be that much better than my ZAO!




I wish I could locate the article that I found the other day on this subject...
The author judged the contrast, resolution, and snap to focus with the Zeiss Mono to be clearly superior to that of a ZAO. He did not believe it himself at first, but after repeated assessments, he arrived at the same conclusion.
The Mono costs up to twice as much as a ZAO. Is the incremental but undeniable improvement in performance worth the additional outlay?
Well, maybe.
If only the best will do, and if you have the bucks, and if you have great vision, and if you have a killer triplet, and if you have great skies, etc, etc, then yes, this may be THE EP for you...


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Ed Kessler]
      #4406180 - 02/23/11 02:15 PM

When I had my business specializing in antique and military optics I had a chance to work on Zeiss products from the first prism binoculars (1890s series) to 1990. Even the 1890s Zeiss binocular I serviced had excellent optics. I never saw a bad Zeiss optic. I never have seen or looked through a Zeiss Monocentric, but I believe what people say about the performance. Sometimes when I have told people about the performance of the old optics they would act like they did not believe me! How can you have great performance without multi-coatings and computer designing? The answer is quality!!!

George


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Abbe]
      #4406260 - 02/23/11 02:54 PM

Or you could just get a slightly larger telescope with better resolution and use a run of the mill ortho.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. But seriously, even if I could lay out $800 for a ZAO2 or $1000 for a monocentric, why not just get a bigger scope.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: RodgerHouTex]
      #4406264 - 02/23/11 03:03 PM

There must be legitimate reasons. Why didn't Zeiss produce a new batch of monocentrics instead of the ZAOIIs? If the monocentrics are bringing such high prices on the used market, one would think that Zeiss could sell the new ones.

It couldn't have been a lot more expensive to do and they would have produced better eyepieces.



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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: RodgerHouTex]
      #4406275 - 02/23/11 03:07 PM

Hi Rodger,

The real answer is to buy one of the 50-inch Orion scopes and a Mono!!

George


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: RodgerHouTex]
      #4406319 - 02/23/11 03:35 PM

Quote:

Or you could just get a slightly larger telescope with better resolution and use a run of the mill ortho.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. But seriously, even if I could lay out $800 for a ZAO2 or $1000 for a monocentric, why not just get a bigger scope.




Valid point, but beyond the "scope" of this thread!
Besides, the Mono is easier to carry and store than a big ole OTA...


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Abbe]
      #4406324 - 02/23/11 03:37 PM

Quote:

When I had my business specializing in antique and military optics I had a chance to work on Zeiss products from the first prism binoculars (1890s series) to 1990. Even the 1890s Zeiss binocular I serviced had excellent optics. I never saw a bad Zeiss optic. I never have seen or looked through a Zeiss Monocentric, but I believe what people say about the performance. Sometimes when I have told people about the performance of the old optics they would act like they did not believe me! How can you have great performance without multi-coatings and computer designing? The answer is quality!!!

George






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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Max Lattanzi]
      #4406505 - 02/23/11 05:00 PM

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This is the eyepiece case of my 1950 Zeiss AS-80/1200, which came from the laboratory of an East Germany famous rocket scientist...




Max! Please don't thoughtlessly post pictures like that! I almost had a heart attack or something.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4406507 - 02/23/11 05:01 PM

Bill Rose, an avid eyepiece collector, compared his Zeiss Monos with his ZAOIs. He reported that his Zeiss Monos barely outperformed his ZAOs but just barely. This begs the question, if the ZAOIIs are better than the ZAOIs then are the ZAOIIs better than the Monos?
I have a late model 6mm Zeiss Mono with the latest multicoatings before the Zeiss mono was discontinued. I compared this eyepiece with an Intes Monocentric. The Intes actually had a darker field than the Zeiss. I have yet to see an eyepiece with this type of contrast. The Intes however has a ghost when a bright object is at the periphery. It disappears when it is centered. It also has a smaller FoV than the Zeiss or TMB monos, about 26 degrees.

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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Ed Kessler]
      #4406579 - 02/23/11 05:34 PM

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There must be legitimate reasons. Why didn't Zeiss produce a new batch of monocentrics instead of the ZAOIIs? If the monocentrics are bringing such high prices on the used market, one would think that Zeiss could sell the new ones.

It couldn't have been a lot more expensive to do and they would have produced better eyepieces.






It was my impression that it was Thomas Baader who decided on the design of the Zeiss ZOAII's. The person from whom I purchased my 10mm Zeiss mono told me: "I loaned this eyepiece to Thomas Baader a couple of years ago when he first began to look at a new line of Zeiss orthos. He used it in bench testing but went forward with a new design. So it was this eyepiece he used".
I have no reason to disbelieve the seller.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4407226 - 02/23/11 10:31 PM

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Quote:

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Can't be that much better than my ZAO!




I wish I could locate the article that I found the other day on this subject...
The author judged the contrast, resolution, and snap to focus with the Zeiss Mono to be clearly superior to that of a ZAO. He did not believe it himself at first, but after repeated assessments, he arrived at the same conclusion.
The Mono costs up to twice as much as a ZAO. Is the incremental but undeniable improvement in performance worth the additional outlay?
Well, maybe.
If only the best will do, and if you have the bucks, and if you have great vision, and if you have a killer triplet, and if you have great skies, etc, etc, then yes, this may be THE EP for you...




Was the Zeiss mono compared to the ZAO I or II? I owned the ZAO I set and sold it when I purchased the ZAO IIs.

Perhaps I'm simply not blessed with great skies, but to date, my 6mm Zeiss mono, 6mm ZAO II, 5.1mm Pentax XO, 6mm Supermono, and 5.9mm ball have all deliverered the same view of Jupiter. I suspect that an observer would have to have exceptional skies to determine a definitive winner in the contrast & resolution department. The prices these Zeiss monos are fetching these days seems to be excessively high given the minimal increase in contrast and resolution, if any, these EPs offer under normal skies.

If I had to do all over again, I wouldn't have spent bucks on the Zeiss 6mm & 10mm monos a few years ago. I'm still waiting for them to show their value with my skies.

To be fair about the 10mm Zeiss mono, I haven't compared it that often against other brands, since I've been using 4mm-7mm EPs for the past year when viewing planets.

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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: SteveC]
      #4408140 - 02/24/11 11:29 AM

Hi Steve,

I really believe that when you start to compare good optics you are talking about degrees of subtleness. In your case you are comparing some of the best eyepieces in the world. I would not expect you to see much of a differece even if you have great vision, great telescope optics, and that one night of perfect seeing. The hardest thing to get is that night of perfect seeing! As far as price is concerned that is just a personal decision.

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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Abbe]
      #4408277 - 02/24/11 12:29 PM

Well, since I really can't afford the Monos, I guess I'm just stuck with my ZAOs and ZAO IIs.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Ed Kessler]
      #4408321 - 02/24/11 12:45 PM

just for the record - ZAO -> Zeiss Abbe Orthro?

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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Ed Kessler]
      #4408574 - 02/24/11 02:52 PM

Hi Ed,

I have much more expensive eyepieces but one of my favorite eyepieces is a University volcano top Abbe Ortho. I use them a lot. They are not in the same class as the Zeiss Orthos, but they make me happy. That is the real bottom line.

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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Ed Kessler]
      #4408616 - 02/24/11 03:13 PM

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Well, since I really can't afford the Monos, I guess I'm just stuck with my ZAOs and ZAO IIs.





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      #4408889 - 02/24/11 05:41 PM

I have much more expensive eyepieces but one of my favorite eyepieces is a University volcano top Abbe Ortho. I use them a lot. They are not in the same class as the Zeiss Orthos, but they make me happy. That is the real bottom line.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: TPMack]
      #4408951 - 02/24/11 06:02 PM

I'm sure you guys know that I was being facetious. My most used eyepiece right now anyway is my Leica Zoom. It gets used almost daily for birdwatching and for astronomy.

It's great to have so many choices.

Back to the interesting thread about Monocentrics . . . . .


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Ed Kessler]
      #4409253 - 02/24/11 08:48 PM

Ed,
Do you have the Leica aspheric zoom? I have never seen one but they are suppose to be quite good.

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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: TPMack]
      #4409298 - 02/24/11 09:10 PM

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Ed,
Do you have the Leica aspheric zoom? I have never seen one but they are suppose to be quite good.

Tom




No, I have the earlier edition which, in my estimation, is quite good.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: highfnum]
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just for the record - ZAO -> Zeiss Abbe Orthro?



Yes.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Larry Geary]
      #4410617 - 02/25/11 12:43 PM

Anyone care to guess why the TMB Supermonos are not as good as the Zeiss Monocentrics?

glass?
polish?
coatings?
QC?

From all accounts the TMBs came close but I wonder what makes the difference?


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Ed Kessler]
      #4411035 - 02/25/11 03:48 PM

Hi Ed ,

>>>>>>>>Anyone care to guess why the TMB Supermonos are not as good as the Zeiss Monocentrics?<<<<<<<

Are you really , really sure ?


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Ed Kessler]
      #4411565 - 02/25/11 08:20 PM

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Well, since I really can't afford the Monos, I guess I'm just stuck with my ZAOs and ZAO IIs.





I'm not sure life is worth living under those conditions.


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      #4411591 - 02/25/11 08:35 PM

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Hi Steve,

I really believe that when you start to compare good optics you are talking about degrees of subtleness. In your case you are comparing some of the best eyepieces in the world. I would not expect you to see much of a differece even if you have great vision, great telescope optics, and that one night of perfect seeing. The hardest thing to get is that night of perfect seeing! As far as price is concerned that is just a personal decision.

George




Hi George,

I noticed some subtle differences on Mars with my ball EP, and perhaps on Jupiter, I'm not sure.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Ed Kessler]
      #4411716 - 02/25/11 09:53 PM

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Anyone care to guess why the TMB Supermonos are not as good as the Zeiss Monocentrics?

glass?
polish?
coatings?
QC?

From all accounts the TMBs came close but I wonder what makes the difference?




Someone who knows what to look for should examine the surfaces of each brand with a microscope.


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4414868 - 02/27/11 01:14 PM

The just-ended Monocentric 10mm auction on German E-Bay received a final bid of over $1100 today.

This was the second 10-M offered in a week ($1000 euros / $1400).

There was a 16-M listed briefly last week as well. It quickly went for close to $1000.



Edited by Levine (02/27/11 01:16 PM)


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #4414886 - 02/27/11 01:19 PM

Well if it makes you feel any better, 95% of the time, due to seeing conditions alone you would never be able to tell the difference if there was any between this expensive peephole and an XW.

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      #4414949 - 02/27/11 01:50 PM

That 10mm just sold on Ebay Germany looked a very nice example.

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      #6041771 - 08/23/13 12:09 PM

Welcome back, everyone!

Does anyone know if there is any perceivable difference in performance between the late model Monos, and the older, post-War, cupped versions?

Any new pictures?



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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #6041985 - 08/23/13 02:35 PM

Nice! Two sets of those sold on Amart for $1500 apiece! Think I'll stick with my new 5 XO and pick up a longer FL ZOA at some point. I do a lot of lunar and a well corrected 40*> FOV is a major plus. As to XWs my 7 is not blown away be the XO by any means. David

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Nice! Two sets of those sold on Amart for $1500 apiece!




Do you have a link?



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      #6043774 - 08/24/13 02:58 PM

It was a couple of weeks ago, I just checked Amart and they're no longer listed. $1600 was the price was for individual eyepieces not per set. Makes me feel down right frugal what with only paying $499 for the XO! David

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It was a couple of weeks ago, I just checked Amart and they're no longer listed. $1600 was the price was for individual eyepieces not per set.




Dave, I believe those Mono's were only listed on CN (but could be wrong). Apparently the seller (who was quite active in the classifieds as well as Forums) didn't initially know the value of them and when he found out, he created an Auction/bidding war where he would accept an offer (and take payment) until someone else offered more $$$. Then the outbid buyer was refunded.

This of course infuriated several people and he was left negative feedback. His profile no longer exists so he either deleted It or It was deleted for him due to his activities.

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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Levine]
      #6043964 - 08/24/13 05:19 PM

I think you're right as to where they were listed. $1600 seemed a bit over the top but it still looks like they're topping ZOA 2s price wise. David

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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: dscarpa]
      #6045211 - 08/25/13 01:36 PM

Here's a picture of mine:

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I'm not sure if I ever got around to posting a picture of mine, but here they are. A bit dusty, but they are old as heck.

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      #6048773 - 08/27/13 12:56 PM

Bee-yootiful, Steve!
Those post-war Monos are terrific.
I am told the only thing that distinguishes these optics from the later examples is the coating on the lens.



Edited by Levine (08/28/13 05:12 AM)


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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: SteveC]
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I'm not sure if I ever got around to posting a picture of mine, but here they are. A bit dusty, but they are old as heck.




They sure look like they'll crumble to dust any minute at the slightest touch.


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Bee-yootiful, Steve!
Those post-war Monos are terrific.
I am told the only thing that distinguishes thes optics from the later examples is the coating on the lens.






That's what I've read also.

I don't use the Zeiss monos as much as I should. I grab ZAO II's and supermonos all the time, and I'm more likely to put a ball eyepiece in my turret than a Z-mono. Prices are getting to the point where I'm tempted to sell the 6mm, but I couldn't, in good conscious, sell the 10mm. The top of the glass has a minute ding off center........................ticks me off, most klutzy move I've ever made with an eyepiece. Stupid .965 to 1.25 adapter, just one more screw adjustment that could go wrong.............and it did.


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      #6169931 - 11/01/13 10:07 AM

Currently have the 6, 10, and 16mm Zeiss Monos.
Working on a possible deal to complete the Set: 25-M and 40-M.



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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #6169949 - 11/01/13 10:25 AM

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Here's a picture of mine:




Your Zeiss Monos look exactly like mine!

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      #6170011 - 11/01/13 11:02 AM

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Quote:

Here's a picture of mine:




Your Zeiss Monos look exactly like mine!

Mike





Mine too! We must have the post WW3 variety.


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Yes. Those have excellent light transmission.

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Re: Post a picture of your Zeiss Monocentric! new [Re: PJ Anway]
      #6170679 - 11/01/13 05:06 PM

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Well the auction for the Zeiss 10mm monocentric has ended. The final bid was nearly $1400. WOW!!




I am willing to spend a lot for an eyepiece--but this is about $400 more than I would spend. Therefore, I will never own a Zeis Moncentric.


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