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wky46
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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5620329 - 01/13/13 09:10 AM

Like any hobby of mine, I jump head first and buy like crazy. I thinned the herd and now have probably 15 or so. Of those, I only have three I ever really use. Actually more like two, as the highest power ep that's practical for me sits unused most nights. That's with my SCT and small refractor.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: wky46]
      #5620433 - 01/13/13 10:16 AM

What's wrong with me? I only have 26 eyepieces.......

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: David E]
      #5620446 - 01/13/13 10:21 AM

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At one point I had nearly 100 eyepieces.
Now I have far less.
-Joe




At one point I had nearly 100 eyepieces.

Now I have a LOT more. I once thought about taking them all out in the back yard for a "family reunion" photoshoot but that would take all day, and I don't have all day.






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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Bart]
      #5620458 - 01/13/13 10:30 AM

What then is enough? I have a complete set of UO Abbe Orthos and a complete set of ES 82s. Plus an ES 68 40mm. These are used with my two scopes, ED80 and a C11. For my WO bino it has two 20mm EPs, which is about all the bino unit can use due to it's inexpensive design. And for the folks that might ever want to borrow a scope, I have a set of Celestron plossels for an ST80. And last, but not least, an RKE 28mm. That's my set of 26. For right now, I have all that I need. Now, if I was to get a better bino unit then two 20mms will not be enough, in that case I can see maybe 6 more which would raise the count to 32.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5620498 - 01/13/13 10:50 AM

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It's a fun post Jon, lighten up! BTW, 60 or 70 EP's is a tad more than a "few" and I'd say you're a "junkie" too. I own 5. I wouldn't want to bring out any more than 10 at the most to an observing session, but that's me. If you like to bring 20 cases of eyepieces on those back and forth trips to the car, all the power to you, LOL!




And just who is getting uptight now...

When I travel to a dark site, I typically bring my case of 8 Naglers and that's it. I might be a telescope junkie though I do spend a lot of time observing, I might be a bicycle junkie though I used to spend a lot of time riding...

Eyepieces are just eyepieces. Some people attribute magic to eyepieces, I like a good eyepiece but getting the best view is not about the perfect eyepiece.

Jon


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Bart]
      #5620506 - 01/13/13 10:52 AM

I have only five so waaaay off the pace if I'm to be considered for eye piece addiction therapy
Its actually possibly about to become temporarily four, as the 8mm Ethos might be going bye bye


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5620554 - 01/13/13 11:20 AM

As far as eyepieces are concerned I buy what I need or want. Of the thirteen I have I use every one in three different telescopes and actually don't "need" any more. There might come a time when I want another one, but for the time I'm happy with what I have. No problem.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5620595 - 01/13/13 11:41 AM

Mark,

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Until recently, I had over 150 eyepieces. Now I've brought it down to around 100. When I sell or give away the 20 or so remaining that I want to sell or give away, I'll be down to a reasonable 80 eyepieces. That's a reasonable amount if you have 12 telescopes.




You're considered a "junkie", LOL....

12 telescopes? Is that one for every child? Or one for every planet you view?




No, at least one telescope for every type of observing: Deep sky, planet, lunar, double star, etc, and then a grab-n-go vs extended session for each of those. They are one of the main reasons I have so many eyepieces. Some eyepieces are great for some scopes but not for others. Some eyepieces are too heavy for some scopes or are 2" format, and so I need lighter 1.25" equivalents for those.

So probably what I need to do to really reduce the number of eyepieces is to reduce the number of telescopes. I sold my C4R, a 4" f/10 achromat, because I was no longer using it. As soon as I sold it, about a dozen eyepieces left right behind, because they were meant for the C4R. I no longer had an excuse to keep them. I've got my eye on a couple other scopes that might be leaving soon, too.

The only common type of telescope I've never owned is an SCT. I don't like Jack-of-all-trades. I like specialists!

One thing that has kept the number of my eyepieces down is that I don't usually buy complete sets. If one or two eyepieces in a line are great, that doesn't always - or even usually - mean that all the focal lengths in that line will be very good. In fact, the same line can have great eyepieces and dogs.

Imagine if I were to have complete sets for every type of eyepiece I own. Then I'd really be a serious eyepiece junkie!


Mike


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5620608 - 01/13/13 11:48 AM

No problem only have about 50 and they don't get in the way of anything.

I can still find a free chair, get to the fridge, cooker, stairs, bedroom, bathroom and enough free floor space I don't stand on any so no problems.


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Bart]
      #5620651 - 01/13/13 12:09 PM

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What then is enough? I have a complete set of UO Abbe Orthos and a complete set of ES 82s. Plus an ES 68 40mm. These are used with my two scopes, ED80 and a C11. For my WO bino it has two 20mm EPs, which is about all the bino unit can use due to it's inexpensive design. And for the folks that might ever want to borrow a scope, I have a set of Celestron plossels for an ST80. And last, but not least, an RKE 28mm. That's my set of 26. For right now, I have all that I need. Now, if I was to get a better bino unit then two 20mms will not be enough, in that case I can see maybe 6 more which would raise the count to 32.




Well, that complete set of UO orthos just went up in value....


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5620680 - 01/13/13 12:24 PM

At some point in this hobby you will find that quality optics and good seeing are the key to good views. Most premium eyepieces will not degrade what the objective in your scope can deliver. Once you find out what kind of eyepiece you like, be it wide angle or those with narrower afov, 3 eyepieces would serve the average observer very well. On the other hand, if you think the eyepiece is the key to good views or just want to collect them, have at it. This forum is your kind of place. I have a mere 8 main eyepieces and a Barlow.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: pstarr]
      #5620698 - 01/13/13 12:32 PM

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At some point in this hobby you will find that quality optics and good seeing are the key to good views. Most premium eyepieces will not degrade what the objective in your scope can deliver. Once you find out what kind of eyepiece you like, be it wide angle or those with narrower afov, 3 eyepieces would serve the average observer very well. On the other hand, if you think the eyepiece is the key to good views or just want to collect them, have at it. This forum is your kind of place. I have a mere 8 main eyepieces and a Barlow.




Up to the 3 eyepieces, I agree with you 100%... But if one considers that at the extreme high end, there are situations where 60x-80x/inch is appropriate and that at the low end there are situations where 4X/inch is appropriate, that leaves only one eyepiece to cover the rest...

Jon


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: pstarr]
      #5620709 - 01/13/13 12:40 PM

I used to have 40 or so, but whittled those down over the years based on my personal preferences. I now have four main eyepieces (I haven't added the 56mm to my sig yet) along with a barlow and a Paracorr. This set works well in all of my telescopes on all objects. I have finally reached minimalist nirvana.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5620712 - 01/13/13 12:42 PM

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Anybody else out there KooKoo for eyepieces?




No such thing being kookoo related to eyepieces. All there is is those more or less engaged in what the eyepiece provides.

I like good eyepieces, and I like bad eyepieces, because the eyepiece uniquely gives the observer something no other part of the optical chain is even capable of providing! So I like to savor what the eyepiece brings to the experience and strive to never take that for granted, otherwise I would be missing something that is there to experience and enjoy.

Try to imagine a sky that had just one object to observe and none other. Try to imagine a world with only one type and size of telescope and none others. I think you would agree that it would be a strangely boring world one like that. Same with the eyepiece...a world with just one eyepiece would not be a pretty place. The eyepiece enriches the experience like none other, bringing endless variety there at your fingertips, altering the experience from the surgical precision of an Abbe to the majesty of a walk among the stars with an ultra wide-field. It customizes the experience to the desires of the observer with varieties of eye reliefs, eye lens sized, eye guard functions, tonal enhancements, and apparent fields of view. Regardless of what the image any telescope can serve up, it is the eyepiece that makes that image personal, engaging, and accessible in the real-time moment for the observer. In reality, it is kookoo not to be kookoo about the most flexible, the most engaging, and the most personalized part of the telescopic system.

Simply put...the eyepiece is where it's at!


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5620720 - 01/13/13 12:47 PM

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No, at least one telescope for every type of observing: Deep sky, planet, lunar, double star, etc, and then a grab-n-go vs extended session for each of those. They are one of the main reasons I have so many eyepieces. Some eyepieces are great for some scopes but not for others. Some eyepieces are too heavy for some scopes or are 2" format, and so I need lighter 1.25" equivalents for those.

So probably what I need to do to really reduce the number of eyepieces is to reduce the number of telescopes. I sold my C4R, a 4" f/10 achromat, because I was no longer using it. As soon as I sold it, about a dozen eyepieces left right behind, because they were meant for the C4R. I no longer had an excuse to keep them. I've got my eye on a couple other scopes that might be leaving soon, too.

The only common type of telescope I've never owned is an SCT. I don't like Jack-of-all-trades. I like specialists!




Interesting. I own a few more than a dozen telescopes but I find that a good telescope is a good telescope for double stars, planets, the moon and even deep sky. When I setup for an evening, no matter what the conditions, I will be observing doubles, a planet or two, the moon if it is around and a variety of deep sky objects.

SCTs are considered "jack of all trades" because they are competent for both visual and astrophotography. A good Newtonian, a good apochromatic refractor, these are very capable of providing the excellent views of all classes of objects...

Jon


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: BillP]
      #5620766 - 01/13/13 01:09 PM

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In reality, it is kookoo not to be kookoo about the most flexible, the most engaging, and the most personalized part of the telescopic system.




The most important thing about an eyepiece is it's focal length. One needs to have a variety of focal lengths.

Beyond that, there is a great big sky out there filled with more objects than one can possibly see in a life time. I am OK with spending my time with a couple of decent eyepiece of the focal lengths that are useful. I find the particular telescope I use makes the big difference in the view. Beyond that, I look to the heavens for variety.

Jon


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5620789 - 01/13/13 01:22 PM

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In reality, it is kookoo not to be kookoo about the most flexible, the most engaging, and the most personalized part of the telescopic system.




The most important thing about an eyepiece is it's focal length. One needs to have a variety of focal lengths.

Beyond that, there is a great big sky out there filled with more objects than one can possibly see in a life time. I am OK with spending my time with a couple of decent eyepiece of the focal lengths that are useful. I find the particular telescope I use makes the big difference in the view. Beyond that, I look to the heavens for variety.

Jon




I'm not satisfied with that. I need to see how the object presents in narrow fields as well as wide fields, in warmer vs cooler toned eyepieces. Basically I need to see the target from as many perspectives as possible...which includes apertures because while larger apertures bring out more, they also mask and hide other characteristics only visible with the smaller apertures. So having "just" a variety of focal lengths does not do it for me. Not saying my approach is any better or worse than yours, just different and adapted to the way I like to do things. Without the eyepiece and the variety of capabilities it brings to the table beyond the simple focal length change, none of this would be possible for me. Love what the eyepiece can and does do that only it can do


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5620809 - 01/13/13 01:34 PM

Jon,

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Interesting. I own a few more than a dozen telescopes but I find that a good telescope is a good telescope for double stars, planets, the moon and even deep sky. When I setup for an evening, no matter what the conditions, I will be observing doubles, a planet or two, the moon if it is around and a variety of deep sky objects.




Then you do astronomy very differently than I do. When the Moon is up, I look at the Moon and possibly the bright planets. This is at home in a red zone. When the Moon is not in the sky and the sky is clear, I'm usually at the dark site looking at faint fuzzies and other DSO. I usually don't mix and match objects. For one thing, the optimum eye adaptation for observing DSO and planets is different. It's best to be deeply dark-adapted for DSO. The optimum adaptation for planet observation is as close to photopic as possible.

There are also the factors of portability and convenience. During the work week at home it makes more sense to take a grab-n-go look at the Moon or planets with my 5" f/5 Newt or 90mm Mak, or even my 8" Dob if I have a little more time, rather than schlep out the 10". I'm not yet retired.

Obviously YMMV.

Mike


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5620815 - 01/13/13 01:40 PM

Jon,

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SCTs are considered "jack of all trades" because they are competent for both visual and astrophotography. A good Newtonian, a good apochromatic refractor, these are very capable of providing the excellent views of all classes of objects...




I don't do AP, don't think I ever will. And I want a scope that is hopefully better than merely "competent" for the task at hand. So no SCTs so far.

High-end APO's are above my paygrade. $1000 per inch? No, sir, not happening here.

So that leaves "a good Newtonian." Excellent choice!


Mike


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: BillP]
      #5620830 - 01/13/13 01:49 PM

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In reality, it is kookoo not to be kookoo about the most flexible, the most engaging, and the most personalized part of the telescopic system.




The most important thing about an eyepiece is it's focal length. One needs to have a variety of focal lengths.

Beyond that, there is a great big sky out there filled with more objects than one can possibly see in a life time. I am OK with spending my time with a couple of decent eyepiece of the focal lengths that are useful. I find the particular telescope I use makes the big difference in the view. Beyond that, I look to the heavens for variety.

Jon




I'm not satisfied with that. I need to see how the object presents in narrow fields as well as wide fields, in warmer vs cooler toned eyepieces. Basically I need to see the target from as many perspectives as possible...which includes apertures because while larger apertures bring out more, they also mask and hide other characteristics only visible with the smaller apertures. So having "just" a variety of focal lengths does not do it for me. Not saying my approach is any better or worse than yours, just different and adapted to the way I like to do things. Without the eyepiece and the variety of capabilities it brings to the table beyond the simple focal length change, none of this would be possible for me. Love what the eyepiece can and does do that only it can do




Bill:

Differences in approaches, attitudes, are often the result of different situations, different conditions as well as different goals. Change the situation, change the attitudes. I feel I am very fortunate to have access to good seeing as well as relatively easy access to dark, clear skies.

Personally, I am not satisfied with spending my eyepiece time making equipment comparisons. There is just so much to see. When the skies are dark and clear, when the Milky Way shines brightly, when Andromeda looks big and bright naked eye, I only ask that the eyepiece not hinder the views.

A good bicycle is transparent to the rider, the rider is not aware of the bicycle, just that he/she is riding. A good eyepiece is very similar, it is there, but it is transparent, the connection between the object and the eye is direct.

There are many good eyepieces out there. I have some.

Jon


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