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Scanning4Comets
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Do you have an eyepiece problem?
      #5619585 - 01/12/13 06:20 PM

My better half tells me I do because all I do is talk about eyepieces, surf the web for eyepieces and sometimes dream about eyepieces. She told me one day, I will turn into an eyepiece and even calls me "Mr. Buy & Sell" LOL.

Anybody else out there KooKoo for eyepieces?


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5619607 - 01/12/13 06:33 PM

I been known to binge now an' then. Currently the beast is reasonably calm.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5619610 - 01/12/13 06:33 PM

At one point I had nearly 100 eyepieces.
Now I have far less.
I have had several favorite eyepieces I swore I would never sell.
And then I sold them.

But I can quit any time I want to.
Just not quite yet, as I feel my collection will be perfect with the purchase of just a few more eyepieces.

Or something like that.

-Joe


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5619614 - 01/12/13 06:34 PM

It's either eyepieces or drugs, I chose eyepieces.........

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Bart]
      #5619619 - 01/12/13 06:38 PM

Its a gateway addiction that starts with eyepieces and progresses to eyepiece boxes!
Rex


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5619706 - 01/12/13 07:31 PM

I used to be EPC (Eyepiece Crazy), but toned It down some in the last year (still have a ways to go). I say, If you're gonna use em, might as well have em! If not, get rid of them for something else.

Hey, some people collect art and quite a few Eyepieces are works of art that you not only look at, but look threw!

Mike


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: junomike]
      #5619722 - 01/12/13 07:43 PM

My wife has put it into perspective for me. She said, "when you have more eyepieces than I have pairs of shoes, then you might start worrying!" I love my wife!

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Bart]
      #5619740 - 01/12/13 08:02 PM

No I don't but I know a few people that do. I call them equipment junkies not amateur astronomers, not saying your one since I don't know you.

Edited by demiles (01/12/13 08:09 PM)


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: demiles]
      #5619774 - 01/12/13 08:29 PM

I would say I'm an optics junky. I just love everything about optics. Telescopes, eyepieces, spotting scopes, binoculars, monoculars, microscopes... I guess you could say I have a problem. Although, I only have about 15 eyepieces right now. That's not too bad compared to some others on the forum.

Edited by Grava T (01/13/13 11:05 AM)


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: rathbaster]
      #5619783 - 01/12/13 08:37 PM

Quote:

At one point I had nearly 100 eyepieces.
Now I have far less.
-Joe




At one point I had nearly 100 eyepieces.

Now I have a LOT more. I once thought about taking them all out in the back yard for a "family reunion" photoshoot but that would take all day, and I don't have all day.


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5619825 - 01/12/13 09:23 PM

The only problem I have with eyepieces is I don't have all of them that I want.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: City Kid]
      #5619873 - 01/12/13 09:55 PM

Quote:

At one point I had nearly 100 eyepieces.

Now I have a LOT more. I once thought about taking them all out in the back yard for a "family reunion" photoshoot but that would take all day, and I don't have all day.






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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: City Kid]
      #5619939 - 01/12/13 10:33 PM

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The only problem I have with eyepieces is I don't have all of them that I want.




Ditto!


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Mariner@sg]
      #5619976 - 01/12/13 11:00 PM

My story:

I have few eyepieces, last time I counted it was something like 60 or 70. I have a two sets plus a couple of strays that I use the vast majority of the time, about 16 eyepieces total. The rest, a set of Orthos, a set of Plossls, various eyepieces that came with this or that telescope... not much use for a Criterion AR or an old Jaegers but just the same, it's nice to have them.

I don't dream of eyepieces, I don't dream of telescopes, I don't feel a need to look through the latest and greatest. I dream of observing out where the skies are dark and clear, I dream of observing where the seeing is excellent. Often those dreams are real.

Jon


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5619991 - 01/12/13 11:15 PM

Not anymore. It has been over two years since I bought an eyepiece. I did it cold turkey.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5620001 - 01/12/13 11:19 PM

Recognized this problem when the EP count hit around 30 units, posted a thread here on just how many pieces one has to have to be considered as an EP junkie and was assured that 30 was not that high a number, maybe on the limit. And now it's grown to 70+ units, more than double the "limit." Oh well, most important whether one has 3 or 100 pcs., if one is enjoying, then there's no problem (it's the wallet/CC's problem really.) Just 2 cents.

Best,


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: ibase]
      #5620030 - 01/12/13 11:46 PM

No. I currently have seven lenses and that's more than I need. I want what I want, usually the best or close to it, and I rarely trade or sell. I want more and better observing, more experience, not more gear. I had an old friend, a distinguished scholar, who in his final years limited himself to 100 books. If he got a new book, he had to get rid of one of the others. An interesting discipline.

Dark skies.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: mountain monk]
      #5620111 - 01/13/13 01:50 AM

Until recently, I had over 150 eyepieces. Now I've brought it down to around 100. When I sell or give away the 20 or so remaining that I want to sell or give away, I'll be down to a reasonable 80 eyepieces. That's a reasonable amount if you have 12 telescopes.


Mike


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5620304 - 01/13/13 08:54 AM

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I don't dream of eyepieces, I don't dream of telescopes, I don't feel a need to look through the latest and greatest. I dream of observing out where the skies are dark and clear, I dream of observing where the seeing is excellent. Often those dreams are real.

Jon




It's a fun post Jon, lighten up! BTW, 60 or 70 EP's is a tad more than a "few" and I'd say you're a "junkie" too. I own 5. I wouldn't want to bring out any more than 10 at the most to an observing session, but that's me. If you like to bring 20 cases of eyepieces on those back and forth trips to the car, all the power to you, LOL!

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Until recently, I had over 150 eyepieces. Now I've brought it down to around 100. When I sell or give away the 20 or so remaining that I want to sell or give away, I'll be down to a reasonable 80 eyepieces. That's a reasonable amount if you have 12 telescopes.




You're considered a "junkie", LOL....

12 telescopes? Is that one for every child? Or one for every planet you view? hahahaha!

Cheers,


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5620315 - 01/13/13 09:00 AM

Actually no, lol......but not for lack of wanting, more like like of money to buy more, hehehehehehehehehehe

Got like 15 eps, some are doubles as far as focal length foes, but that because I have a 1.25 set for the 4 inch refractor, and a 2 inch set for the 16 inch, but all low power, so still need a 12mm 2 inch ep, lol.


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5620329 - 01/13/13 09:10 AM

Like any hobby of mine, I jump head first and buy like crazy. I thinned the herd and now have probably 15 or so. Of those, I only have three I ever really use. Actually more like two, as the highest power ep that's practical for me sits unused most nights. That's with my SCT and small refractor.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: wky46]
      #5620433 - 01/13/13 10:16 AM

What's wrong with me? I only have 26 eyepieces.......

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: David E]
      #5620446 - 01/13/13 10:21 AM

Quote:

Quote:

At one point I had nearly 100 eyepieces.
Now I have far less.
-Joe




At one point I had nearly 100 eyepieces.

Now I have a LOT more. I once thought about taking them all out in the back yard for a "family reunion" photoshoot but that would take all day, and I don't have all day.






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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Bart]
      #5620458 - 01/13/13 10:30 AM

What then is enough? I have a complete set of UO Abbe Orthos and a complete set of ES 82s. Plus an ES 68 40mm. These are used with my two scopes, ED80 and a C11. For my WO bino it has two 20mm EPs, which is about all the bino unit can use due to it's inexpensive design. And for the folks that might ever want to borrow a scope, I have a set of Celestron plossels for an ST80. And last, but not least, an RKE 28mm. That's my set of 26. For right now, I have all that I need. Now, if I was to get a better bino unit then two 20mms will not be enough, in that case I can see maybe 6 more which would raise the count to 32.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5620498 - 01/13/13 10:50 AM

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It's a fun post Jon, lighten up! BTW, 60 or 70 EP's is a tad more than a "few" and I'd say you're a "junkie" too. I own 5. I wouldn't want to bring out any more than 10 at the most to an observing session, but that's me. If you like to bring 20 cases of eyepieces on those back and forth trips to the car, all the power to you, LOL!




And just who is getting uptight now...

When I travel to a dark site, I typically bring my case of 8 Naglers and that's it. I might be a telescope junkie though I do spend a lot of time observing, I might be a bicycle junkie though I used to spend a lot of time riding...

Eyepieces are just eyepieces. Some people attribute magic to eyepieces, I like a good eyepiece but getting the best view is not about the perfect eyepiece.

Jon


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Bart]
      #5620506 - 01/13/13 10:52 AM

I have only five so waaaay off the pace if I'm to be considered for eye piece addiction therapy
Its actually possibly about to become temporarily four, as the 8mm Ethos might be going bye bye


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5620554 - 01/13/13 11:20 AM

As far as eyepieces are concerned I buy what I need or want. Of the thirteen I have I use every one in three different telescopes and actually don't "need" any more. There might come a time when I want another one, but for the time I'm happy with what I have. No problem.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5620595 - 01/13/13 11:41 AM

Mark,

Quote:

Quote:

Until recently, I had over 150 eyepieces. Now I've brought it down to around 100. When I sell or give away the 20 or so remaining that I want to sell or give away, I'll be down to a reasonable 80 eyepieces. That's a reasonable amount if you have 12 telescopes.




You're considered a "junkie", LOL....

12 telescopes? Is that one for every child? Or one for every planet you view?




No, at least one telescope for every type of observing: Deep sky, planet, lunar, double star, etc, and then a grab-n-go vs extended session for each of those. They are one of the main reasons I have so many eyepieces. Some eyepieces are great for some scopes but not for others. Some eyepieces are too heavy for some scopes or are 2" format, and so I need lighter 1.25" equivalents for those.

So probably what I need to do to really reduce the number of eyepieces is to reduce the number of telescopes. I sold my C4R, a 4" f/10 achromat, because I was no longer using it. As soon as I sold it, about a dozen eyepieces left right behind, because they were meant for the C4R. I no longer had an excuse to keep them. I've got my eye on a couple other scopes that might be leaving soon, too.

The only common type of telescope I've never owned is an SCT. I don't like Jack-of-all-trades. I like specialists!

One thing that has kept the number of my eyepieces down is that I don't usually buy complete sets. If one or two eyepieces in a line are great, that doesn't always - or even usually - mean that all the focal lengths in that line will be very good. In fact, the same line can have great eyepieces and dogs.

Imagine if I were to have complete sets for every type of eyepiece I own. Then I'd really be a serious eyepiece junkie!


Mike


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5620608 - 01/13/13 11:48 AM

No problem only have about 50 and they don't get in the way of anything.

I can still find a free chair, get to the fridge, cooker, stairs, bedroom, bathroom and enough free floor space I don't stand on any so no problems.


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Bart]
      #5620651 - 01/13/13 12:09 PM

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What then is enough? I have a complete set of UO Abbe Orthos and a complete set of ES 82s. Plus an ES 68 40mm. These are used with my two scopes, ED80 and a C11. For my WO bino it has two 20mm EPs, which is about all the bino unit can use due to it's inexpensive design. And for the folks that might ever want to borrow a scope, I have a set of Celestron plossels for an ST80. And last, but not least, an RKE 28mm. That's my set of 26. For right now, I have all that I need. Now, if I was to get a better bino unit then two 20mms will not be enough, in that case I can see maybe 6 more which would raise the count to 32.




Well, that complete set of UO orthos just went up in value....


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5620680 - 01/13/13 12:24 PM

At some point in this hobby you will find that quality optics and good seeing are the key to good views. Most premium eyepieces will not degrade what the objective in your scope can deliver. Once you find out what kind of eyepiece you like, be it wide angle or those with narrower afov, 3 eyepieces would serve the average observer very well. On the other hand, if you think the eyepiece is the key to good views or just want to collect them, have at it. This forum is your kind of place. I have a mere 8 main eyepieces and a Barlow.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: pstarr]
      #5620698 - 01/13/13 12:32 PM

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At some point in this hobby you will find that quality optics and good seeing are the key to good views. Most premium eyepieces will not degrade what the objective in your scope can deliver. Once you find out what kind of eyepiece you like, be it wide angle or those with narrower afov, 3 eyepieces would serve the average observer very well. On the other hand, if you think the eyepiece is the key to good views or just want to collect them, have at it. This forum is your kind of place. I have a mere 8 main eyepieces and a Barlow.




Up to the 3 eyepieces, I agree with you 100%... But if one considers that at the extreme high end, there are situations where 60x-80x/inch is appropriate and that at the low end there are situations where 4X/inch is appropriate, that leaves only one eyepiece to cover the rest...

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: pstarr]
      #5620709 - 01/13/13 12:40 PM

I used to have 40 or so, but whittled those down over the years based on my personal preferences. I now have four main eyepieces (I haven't added the 56mm to my sig yet) along with a barlow and a Paracorr. This set works well in all of my telescopes on all objects. I have finally reached minimalist nirvana.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5620712 - 01/13/13 12:42 PM

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Anybody else out there KooKoo for eyepieces?




No such thing being kookoo related to eyepieces. All there is is those more or less engaged in what the eyepiece provides.

I like good eyepieces, and I like bad eyepieces, because the eyepiece uniquely gives the observer something no other part of the optical chain is even capable of providing! So I like to savor what the eyepiece brings to the experience and strive to never take that for granted, otherwise I would be missing something that is there to experience and enjoy.

Try to imagine a sky that had just one object to observe and none other. Try to imagine a world with only one type and size of telescope and none others. I think you would agree that it would be a strangely boring world one like that. Same with the eyepiece...a world with just one eyepiece would not be a pretty place. The eyepiece enriches the experience like none other, bringing endless variety there at your fingertips, altering the experience from the surgical precision of an Abbe to the majesty of a walk among the stars with an ultra wide-field. It customizes the experience to the desires of the observer with varieties of eye reliefs, eye lens sized, eye guard functions, tonal enhancements, and apparent fields of view. Regardless of what the image any telescope can serve up, it is the eyepiece that makes that image personal, engaging, and accessible in the real-time moment for the observer. In reality, it is kookoo not to be kookoo about the most flexible, the most engaging, and the most personalized part of the telescopic system.

Simply put...the eyepiece is where it's at!


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5620720 - 01/13/13 12:47 PM

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No, at least one telescope for every type of observing: Deep sky, planet, lunar, double star, etc, and then a grab-n-go vs extended session for each of those. They are one of the main reasons I have so many eyepieces. Some eyepieces are great for some scopes but not for others. Some eyepieces are too heavy for some scopes or are 2" format, and so I need lighter 1.25" equivalents for those.

So probably what I need to do to really reduce the number of eyepieces is to reduce the number of telescopes. I sold my C4R, a 4" f/10 achromat, because I was no longer using it. As soon as I sold it, about a dozen eyepieces left right behind, because they were meant for the C4R. I no longer had an excuse to keep them. I've got my eye on a couple other scopes that might be leaving soon, too.

The only common type of telescope I've never owned is an SCT. I don't like Jack-of-all-trades. I like specialists!




Interesting. I own a few more than a dozen telescopes but I find that a good telescope is a good telescope for double stars, planets, the moon and even deep sky. When I setup for an evening, no matter what the conditions, I will be observing doubles, a planet or two, the moon if it is around and a variety of deep sky objects.

SCTs are considered "jack of all trades" because they are competent for both visual and astrophotography. A good Newtonian, a good apochromatic refractor, these are very capable of providing the excellent views of all classes of objects...

Jon


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: BillP]
      #5620766 - 01/13/13 01:09 PM

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In reality, it is kookoo not to be kookoo about the most flexible, the most engaging, and the most personalized part of the telescopic system.




The most important thing about an eyepiece is it's focal length. One needs to have a variety of focal lengths.

Beyond that, there is a great big sky out there filled with more objects than one can possibly see in a life time. I am OK with spending my time with a couple of decent eyepiece of the focal lengths that are useful. I find the particular telescope I use makes the big difference in the view. Beyond that, I look to the heavens for variety.

Jon


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5620789 - 01/13/13 01:22 PM

Quote:

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In reality, it is kookoo not to be kookoo about the most flexible, the most engaging, and the most personalized part of the telescopic system.




The most important thing about an eyepiece is it's focal length. One needs to have a variety of focal lengths.

Beyond that, there is a great big sky out there filled with more objects than one can possibly see in a life time. I am OK with spending my time with a couple of decent eyepiece of the focal lengths that are useful. I find the particular telescope I use makes the big difference in the view. Beyond that, I look to the heavens for variety.

Jon




I'm not satisfied with that. I need to see how the object presents in narrow fields as well as wide fields, in warmer vs cooler toned eyepieces. Basically I need to see the target from as many perspectives as possible...which includes apertures because while larger apertures bring out more, they also mask and hide other characteristics only visible with the smaller apertures. So having "just" a variety of focal lengths does not do it for me. Not saying my approach is any better or worse than yours, just different and adapted to the way I like to do things. Without the eyepiece and the variety of capabilities it brings to the table beyond the simple focal length change, none of this would be possible for me. Love what the eyepiece can and does do that only it can do


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5620809 - 01/13/13 01:34 PM

Jon,

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Interesting. I own a few more than a dozen telescopes but I find that a good telescope is a good telescope for double stars, planets, the moon and even deep sky. When I setup for an evening, no matter what the conditions, I will be observing doubles, a planet or two, the moon if it is around and a variety of deep sky objects.




Then you do astronomy very differently than I do. When the Moon is up, I look at the Moon and possibly the bright planets. This is at home in a red zone. When the Moon is not in the sky and the sky is clear, I'm usually at the dark site looking at faint fuzzies and other DSO. I usually don't mix and match objects. For one thing, the optimum eye adaptation for observing DSO and planets is different. It's best to be deeply dark-adapted for DSO. The optimum adaptation for planet observation is as close to photopic as possible.

There are also the factors of portability and convenience. During the work week at home it makes more sense to take a grab-n-go look at the Moon or planets with my 5" f/5 Newt or 90mm Mak, or even my 8" Dob if I have a little more time, rather than schlep out the 10". I'm not yet retired.

Obviously YMMV.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5620815 - 01/13/13 01:40 PM

Jon,

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SCTs are considered "jack of all trades" because they are competent for both visual and astrophotography. A good Newtonian, a good apochromatic refractor, these are very capable of providing the excellent views of all classes of objects...




I don't do AP, don't think I ever will. And I want a scope that is hopefully better than merely "competent" for the task at hand. So no SCTs so far.

High-end APO's are above my paygrade. $1000 per inch? No, sir, not happening here.

So that leaves "a good Newtonian." Excellent choice!


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: BillP]
      #5620830 - 01/13/13 01:49 PM

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In reality, it is kookoo not to be kookoo about the most flexible, the most engaging, and the most personalized part of the telescopic system.




The most important thing about an eyepiece is it's focal length. One needs to have a variety of focal lengths.

Beyond that, there is a great big sky out there filled with more objects than one can possibly see in a life time. I am OK with spending my time with a couple of decent eyepiece of the focal lengths that are useful. I find the particular telescope I use makes the big difference in the view. Beyond that, I look to the heavens for variety.

Jon




I'm not satisfied with that. I need to see how the object presents in narrow fields as well as wide fields, in warmer vs cooler toned eyepieces. Basically I need to see the target from as many perspectives as possible...which includes apertures because while larger apertures bring out more, they also mask and hide other characteristics only visible with the smaller apertures. So having "just" a variety of focal lengths does not do it for me. Not saying my approach is any better or worse than yours, just different and adapted to the way I like to do things. Without the eyepiece and the variety of capabilities it brings to the table beyond the simple focal length change, none of this would be possible for me. Love what the eyepiece can and does do that only it can do




Bill:

Differences in approaches, attitudes, are often the result of different situations, different conditions as well as different goals. Change the situation, change the attitudes. I feel I am very fortunate to have access to good seeing as well as relatively easy access to dark, clear skies.

Personally, I am not satisfied with spending my eyepiece time making equipment comparisons. There is just so much to see. When the skies are dark and clear, when the Milky Way shines brightly, when Andromeda looks big and bright naked eye, I only ask that the eyepiece not hinder the views.

A good bicycle is transparent to the rider, the rider is not aware of the bicycle, just that he/she is riding. A good eyepiece is very similar, it is there, but it is transparent, the connection between the object and the eye is direct.

There are many good eyepieces out there. I have some.

Jon


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5620898 - 01/13/13 02:17 PM

I bought and sold quitea few EPs on my way to my own personal Nirvana.

I have now what I consider to be the optimum set which is a set of UOs, two Pentax XWs and two EPs. Between them they cover al my scope options if not oerfectly then at least to a level tha pleases me.

I also have some EPs I never use ( Baader GOs and a TAL 25mm ) good as they are I dont like them much bu wont sell just in case.

It took me a few years to get to what I wanted, trying out different stuff, but I am happy now with what I have and consider myself fortunate to be able to afford the gear I have.

Contentment is a precious gift, finding it isn't always easy, and sometimes impossible bu I found peace and contentment eventually. May you all acheive the same


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5620904 - 01/13/13 02:21 PM

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Jon,

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SCTs are considered "jack of all trades" because they are competent for both visual and astrophotography. A good Newtonian, a good apochromatic refractor, these are very capable of providing the excellent views of all classes of objects...




I don't do AP, don't think I ever will. And I want a scope that is hopefully better than merely "competent" for the task at hand. So no SCTs so far.

High-end APO's are above my paygrade. $1000 per inch? No, sir, not happening here.

So that leaves "a good Newtonian." Excellent choice!


Mike




A 150 eyepieces... take 70 of those, sell them for $30 each and there's enough to buy top of the line 4 inch apo used, a very good 120mm New...

Me, I stumble around finding neat stuff and not so neat stuff by accident.

On a serious note, in terms of the original thread... If eyepieces are important to you, if you really look through them and enjoy the differences the way Bill P. does, that's not a problem, that's enjoying a certain aspect of this hobby. Bill collects and covets eyepieces because he enjoys looking through them and he sees the minor differences. It's a plus because it enhances the observing experience.

I imagine there are some who are caught up in the consumeritis of eyepieces... That can be a problem...

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: pstarr]
      #5620959 - 01/13/13 02:43 PM

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At some point in this hobby you will find that quality optics and good seeing are the key to good views. Most premium eyepieces will not degrade what the objective in your scope can deliver. Once you find out what kind of eyepiece you like, be it wide angle or those with narrower afov, 3 eyepieces would serve the average observer very well. On the other hand, if you think the eyepiece is the key to good views or just want to collect them, have at it. This forum is your kind of place. I have a mere 8 main eyepieces and a Barlow.




3 eyepieces, this is exactly what I own and use. Less to carry, less to worry about.


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5620999 - 01/13/13 02:57 PM

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A 150 eyepieces... take 70 of those, sell them for $30 each and there's enough to buy top of the line 4 inch apo used, a very good 120mm New...




I did have 150 eyepieces ... now I only have 100! The sale of those 50 eyepieces and other equipment netted me about $2500. But that went to pay off debt and add a few choice eyepieces: three XW's, a couple XO's, Brandon 24, Titan II 40, and such. And I'm constantly thinking about which eyepieces should be sold among those that remain.

I doubt if an APO will ever be in my future. I can't bring myself to pay so much money for so little aperture!


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5621062 - 01/13/13 03:28 PM

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On a serious note, in terms of the original thread... If eyepieces are important to you, if you really look through them and enjoy the differences the way Bill P. does, that's not a problem, that's enjoying a certain aspect of this hobby. Bill collects and covets eyepieces because he enjoys looking through them and he sees the minor differences. It's a plus because it enhances the observing experience.

I imagine there are some who are caught up in the consumeritis of eyepieces... That can be a problem...

Jon




Eyepieces are not my life. I buy them and use them and sell them because I can't afford to go out and get 60 or 70 of them.....so I have fun with them sometimes for a year or two, and that would be nice ones I like. The not so nice ones go up for sale to buy something else to try. Is there a problem with that? I don't think so.

The ones I do like get used a lot. As for what you said about Bill P., anybody can look through his eyepiece history on here or A-Mart and clearly see he has bought and sold many as well.....And I have seen some of his posts where he says, "These are keepers", and then you see them sold. There is nothing wrong with that either. Many others have quoted that as well, and you see the eyepieces sold.

I also see major and minor differences in eyepieces myself as do many others.

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And just who is getting uptight now...




Uptight? I said "LOL" in my last post, which was funny....nobody is uptight here Jon except for you saying "I do things for real and I don't dream." Geeze bro, I merely made a post for fun, and you're taking things a bit too seriously here.

I'm far from being caught up in "consuermeritis" and get out whenever I can with star maps, red lights etc and view whenever I can as I really enjoy this hobby. I know that was directed at me....doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Jon.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5621075 - 01/13/13 03:38 PM

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And I have seen some of his posts where he says, "These are keepers", and then you see them sold. There is nothing wrong with that either. Many others have quoted that as well, and you see the eyepieces sold.




Unfortunately, fiscal realities set in No way of keeping the old keepers and also trying new things...so gotta let goodies go unfortunately. Would love to have my Brandon's back, Nagler Zoom, 32mm Konig II, the complete set of UO Konigs I had actually, my beloved Meade 3000 Plossls, the 32mm and 40mm Meade 4000 smoothies, my complete 1.25" TV Circle-NJ smoothies, the RKEs I put chromed barrels on, my set of 1980's Celestron Orthos and Erfles, etc.

Part of the issue is also that the observer changes over time as well. We are never who we once were but grow and change always. So what one likes often changes as they change. And since the eyepiece is such a personal part of the telescope, like a coat or glove, as we change then so must the eyepiece. It is an interesting journey for sure. I often wonder what does it mean when one comes to the end of their eyepiece journey and no longer feel the need for new and different eyepieces? Perhaps it means that we come to the end of our changing so no longer feel the need. Whatever the reason, I feel it has more to do with ourselves than with the equipment.

Right now though...searching for things to sell as I really want to give the Paradigms/HD60s/X-Cel LXs a run...and of course want the BCOs with Turret also.

I am fairly confident that the XWs will stick around...at least until someone makes something as good in a smaller form factor. My planetaries as well will probably stick around as they are perfection...although the 7mm SMC Ortho might say goodbye if I can find a 7 Supermono. But the 5XO, 6ZAO, 8/10/12 AP-SPLs I have are quite the perfectionists for planetary, and excel over anything I place against them. In the end...an eyepiece is a "keeper" as long as it is not surpassed by another...so the distinction is many times not as long lived as they might hope.

Edited by BillP (01/13/13 03:47 PM)


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5621076 - 01/13/13 03:39 PM

I must be a slacker. Sixteen eyepieces, and six of those are in binoviewer pairs. so really just 13 specific designs and focal length. So why is there about $2800 tied up in my eyepiece case? Must have something to do with names like Ethis, Delos, Brandon, ES, etc.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: MikeBOKC]
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C'mon guys! Play nice, we are all friends here .

Yes, I definitely had an eyepiece problem. 'Had' because I believe I am slowly recovering. I have been through 60+ this year but my current holdings show 23 units. One major factor that slowed down my high-level of consumeritis was realizing that I need to wear my glasses while observing more often than not, so that has skewed my EP tastes to those with more ER, thereby sharply reducing the number of contestants in the field of EPs for me. Secondly, that I needed to settle down and just observe more! So I've been doing just that.

My my my what a quick evolution though! 3/25/12 lineup:


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And the family portrait take on 1/5/13:

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      #5621227 - 01/13/13 04:59 PM

I have about 60 EP's at this point. The ones I use the most are the XW's mainly because they're portable with confidence; Vangaurd case and Bolt's, and my only observations this winter have been at my dark site. While the observatory is being built I don't have a good place to observe from. By and large I prefer getting sets of EP's and viewing with sets; I like the continuity in size, AFOV, wieght, and texture. I always bring a wide field and a narrow field set for more variety. Although the opinion expressed that the greatest joy is in the object itself, there is quite a different joy, not mutually exclusive, in the joy of fine tools and instruments.

I also have a number of telescopes and one set while perfect for one scope, may not be the best for another. In addition, I usually set two scopes up either on different mounts for different targets, or more often both copes on the same mount with either a ADM dual saddle kit, or the innate dual scope ability of the iOptron MiniTower II. One scope is always a refractor :-)

On a more personal EP note I recently sold off my ES 82's and 68's to purchase a set of TV's to observe with. I really enjoyed those ES's EP's, and although, financially, I could have kept them. I knew I would be using them far less than they deserved and their AFOV and FL ranges were far to similar to the planned TV EP's. I kept very good are of those EP, and a good number of lucky astronomers got a LNIB EP for a super price, especially I this ES EP drought :-) It's just good Karma!

I'm awaiting my ES100/25mm soon, and on the look out for the right Naglers to build a set with. Unfortunately, unlike my other sets, I can't afford all the EP's in the line of Naglers :-( so I have a combination of EP that work together rather than all the EP's in a line; excepting the Panoptics

Oh yeah, back on topic. I don't consider myself having a problem with EP's, although I don't make much distinction between 'need' and 'want', which is precisely where folks feel that they get into problems.

Edited by MRNUTTY (01/13/13 05:15 PM)


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: MRNUTTY]
      #5621245 - 01/13/13 05:05 PM

Nice eyepiece pron!

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I have about 60 EP's at this point. ...




That's a good number I used to have a slew also but then reduced to about the number I have now and just trade in and out. Right now 28 eyepieces and 5 Barlows.

Primaries are (pictured):

XWs - 40,20,14,10,7,5
Sterlings - 25,20,17,12.5 + Brandon 8 + Owls - 9,6
Planetaries - 4TMB ,5XO ,6ZAO ,7SMC, 8,10,12 AP-SPL (far right)
Titan 40 (use with the Plossl set)
And the Barlow collection - 2" Siebert 4x, 2.7x APM ED, 2X TV, 2.5x Siebert, 2.8x Klee in Zoomset.

Edited by BillP (01/13/13 05:44 PM)


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Then some others I like to use now and then...

Russell Konigs - 21, 14, 12, 10
40 MEade 3000
28mm Edmind (1-1/8")
GSO 2x

Edited by BillP (01/13/13 05:42 PM)


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: BillP]
      #5621331 - 01/13/13 05:54 PM

LOL! I have exactly the same Tiki/Easter Island head set. The nice thing they're parfocal :-)

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: MRNUTTY]
      #5621375 - 01/13/13 06:16 PM

Happy birthday Bill!

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      #5621391 - 01/13/13 06:26 PM

Happy Birthday Bill.
Another Capricorn eh!
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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: planet earth]
      #5621400 - 01/13/13 06:33 PM

What kind of FOV do you get with those tiki heads?

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      #5621407 - 01/13/13 06:38 PM

The knowledge contained in those tiki heads spans eons and is as vast as the skies themselves.......

sounded pretty good anywho...


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      #5621410 - 01/13/13 06:39 PM

On the other hand;

My tiki god's FOV is so fat that................


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5621420 - 01/13/13 06:43 PM

More eyepiece Pron !!!!

Nice pics....and a big HAPPY BIRTHDAY from me too Bill!

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      #5621461 - 01/13/13 07:05 PM

Happy Birthday, Bill!



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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5621594 - 01/13/13 08:28 PM

I like eyepieces. It's my goal to buy and sell items for a profit and use that money to pay for those eyepieces I am collecting. So far I am doing okay.

Now I do have a ton of other eyepieces that I also use. Eventually they will all be paid for via flipping/parting out methods of selling.

Happy B-day Bill!


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Go minimalist.

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      #5621654 - 01/13/13 08:51 PM

Happy birthday Bill, many happy returns around the Sun!

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: BillP]
      #5621768 - 01/13/13 09:47 PM

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Keepers




I probably have 60 or so eyepieces but most do not represent a serious investment and I hold onto them because I have fond memories of them. The 32mm TeleVue Widefield at Monument Valley when the skies were dark... the 32mm Celestron Plossl from the Cochise stronghold.. These are good eyepieces, not great eyepieces but good ones and the memories strong.

My best eyepieces are a set of 8 mixed vintage Naglers, I consider them to be very good eyepieces, good enough for me, they're definitely keepers.

I have a theory that the limitations in what I see are not the result of my equipment but rather the result of my observing skills. As I grow older (Happy Birthday Bill), I see more and more, not because my equipment is better but because I am still learning, still becoming a better observer.

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      #5621885 - 01/13/13 11:07 PM

If I only had AN eyepiece, it would be a problem. Since I have more than one, no problem. (Happy Birthday, Bill!)

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      #5622319 - 01/14/13 09:29 AM

Thanks for all the birthday wishes

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      #5622322 - 01/14/13 09:32 AM

Bill, I'd order you an eyepiece; but ES says they haven't collected enough heavy metals from exploding stars to build it yet.........Happy Birthday!! (or as my wife call it--"Oh God, not another one")

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      #5622360 - 01/14/13 09:58 AM

I would never keep an eyepiece for nostalgia. They are tools. I'm not very sentimental over inanimate objects. I tend to reserve my emotions for people and other living things.

But there is that 5.8mm Ball Eyepiece, the first and only eyepiece I ever made. Naw, I'm keeping that because it might prove worthwhile in scopes that track. No sentimentality there.


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      #5622441 - 01/14/13 10:40 AM

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I would never keep an eyepiece for nostalgia. They are tools. I'm not very sentimental over inanimate objects. I tend to reserve my emotions for people and other living things.




I find I can be emotional about both, it's not like I have to dole it out, I have hand tools that I keep just because they belonged to my father and each time I see them, they serve as a reminder of him and who he was. Maybe if I were in a situation where the extraneous eyepieces represented a meaningful allocation of money that needed to managed, then I would want to sell them.

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      #5622455 - 01/14/13 10:51 AM

My wife has an attic full of stuff that she keeps for sentimental reasons, though I'm the only one that goes up in the attic and I never bring them down for her.

I've told her I should just take photos of all the junk, put the photos in an album she can look at whenever she wants, and throw the junk out. Makes sense to me. It would make even more sense to put pictures of the junk on my computer, but she doesn't work well with computers.


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      #5622543 - 01/14/13 11:53 AM

Ohhhhhh, Mike, you poor soul. Don't you know there are some subjects you should just never, ever, bring up to a wife.........some things you just have to accept without question....believe me.

...on the plus side, at least her response wasn't lets take pics of your scopes and hang them on the wall, that way you can look at them all day; and look how much less space they take up!!


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5622819 - 01/14/13 02:53 PM

i have an es 82* 11mm and 30mm and the orion 25mm plossl that came with my scope. Im thinking about checking out a 6mm baader classic ortho. Other than that I think it can get pretty expensive buying eyepieces. It seems like having a few and a barlow cuts down on the numbers.

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #5622936 - 01/14/13 03:54 PM

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My better half tells me I do because all I do is talk about eyepieces, surf the web for eyepieces and sometimes dream about eyepieces. She told me one day, I will turn into an eyepiece and even calls me "Mr. Buy & Sell" LOL.

Anybody else out there KooKoo for eyepieces?



For years, I was an ocularholic (Hi, Don!), or as we call them Friend of Carl (Zeiss that is).
I had sets and sold them and finally got to over a hundred at one time.

Then, I recovered, and started weeding them out if I didn't use them at least once a year, then once every six months.

Now, I'm down to 6, and though I hear the siren call of all those fine eyepieces (shut up! shut up!), I think I'm content for a while. Maybe. I hope.

But, dagnabit, my "sponsor" is David Nagler, and he's no help at all!


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Starman1]
      #5622975 - 01/14/13 04:14 PM



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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Starman1]
      #5622981 - 01/14/13 04:17 PM

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Now, I'm down to 6, and though I hear the siren call of all those fine eyepieces (shut up! shut up!), I think I'm content for a while. Maybe. I hope.





How about a Leica zoom? This might even challenge some of your "remaining 6". You then would be qualified to join the "no-eyepiece-problem" community.

Andreas


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: andydj5xp]
      #5623014 - 01/14/13 04:28 PM

Eyepieces Anonymous--"If you own them all, there's no reason to worry"

Eyepieces Anonymous--sponsored by Eyepiece Manufacturers worldwide! Don't forget to join our eyepiece of the month club! Eyepiece of the month club eyepieces are NOT packed by cloud lovers, so our eyepieces don't come with clouds! Missing/lost/or broken eyepiece? No Problem! We'll find you a new one (cost dependent upon eyepiece required and if it is repairable or needs replaced). NOW, AT NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE, Original Manufacturer box included with each purhase! That's and additional $45 value! Absolutely Free!


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: andydj5xp]
      #5623025 - 01/14/13 04:33 PM

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Now, I'm down to 6, and though I hear the siren call of all those fine eyepieces (shut up! shut up!), I think I'm content for a while. Maybe. I hope.





How about a Leica zoom? This might even challenge some of your "remaining 6". You then would be qualified to join the "no-eyepiece-problem" community.

Andreas




I'm a member!

Edited by Doug Culbertson (01/14/13 04:34 PM)


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Doug Culbertson]
      #5623033 - 01/14/13 04:37 PM

Eyepieces Anonymous--Have you hugged your eyepiece today?

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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5623034 - 01/14/13 04:37 PM

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Eyepieces Anonymous--Have you hugged your eyepiece today?




Every day.


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Doug Culbertson]
      #5623115 - 01/14/13 05:32 PM

It's been quite a while since I last purchased an eyepiece.Quite happy with what I have now.
I use to be obsessed with trying to get a set of Naglers which I finally did get and ended up selling.They were very nice ep's but only a fraction better than what I now have imo.
The modest collection I currently have serve me well and provide wonderful views at useful fov's and magnifications.
I feel that I am cured.


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Doug Culbertson]
      #5623136 - 01/14/13 05:44 PM

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Now, I'm down to 6, and though I hear the siren call of all those fine eyepieces (shut up! shut up!), I think I'm content for a while. Maybe. I hope.





How about a Leica zoom? This might even challenge some of your "remaining 6". You then would be qualified to join the "no-eyepiece-problem" community.

Andreas




I'm a member!



Me too. 31T5 - 13 Ethos - Leica ASPH Zoom. 2X Abbe barlow. Nice n tidy.



...until you get to the other 28 eyepieces that comprise my current crop of 14 bino pairs.


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Re: Do you have an eyepiece problem? new [Re: Bart]
      #5623141 - 01/14/13 05:48 PM

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What's wrong with me? I only have 26 eyepieces.......




Gee. I was starting to feel guilty for buying up those kk orthos before they were gone for ever. Brings the count up to 9 eps for the two scopes. I wait, do my two barlows count? O my..,


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