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ES eyepieces
      #5680922 - 02/15/13 09:10 AM

I have been trying to round out my eps both for my 4 inch refractor and 16 inch f/4.5 reflector.
My original plan was to purchase a used 12mm nagler, I did post a wanted add in the s and s ep forum, but doubt Ill find one for my pricee constraint of 200 dollars, so........got to looking at th ES 11mm 82* and 6.7mm 82* eps, both fit within my 200 dollar budget, minus shipping, and would fill two holes medium, and high power.

So has anyone else have any experience with these two eps??
It says theyre both temporarily out of stock, do I just go ahead and order and wait? not sure how long itll take to get them in stock?


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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: droid]
      #5680933 - 02/15/13 09:13 AM

That ES 82 11mm is probablly the best in the 1.25" ES 82 lineup. The 6.7 is a good EP, but I don't get to use it as much as I'd like due to the weather. The 8.8 is also a good eyepiece. Its the high power workhorse in my dob. At the dark site, I'm able to use the 6.7 more, and it has given me fantastic views of Venus and Saturn (last Spring, which is coming round again!). Best $99 I ever spent was the 11mm.

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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5680945 - 02/15/13 09:21 AM

I'll second that for the 11mm ES82. I use mine frequently and have been very happy with it. I have a 6.7mm on order but I've already been waiting for 2 months...

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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: rinalmj]
      #5680967 - 02/15/13 09:29 AM

+1 on the 82* 11mm. It is a wonderful eyepiece.

Only down side is the availbility. It along w/ the 68* 24mm seem to be nearly impossible to get.


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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: jhirsch]
      #5680984 - 02/15/13 09:35 AM

Ditto what others have said about the ES eyepieces.

Also remember there are two types of 12mm Naglers. The current Type4 and the older Type 2 from the 1990s.


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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: droid]
      #5680993 - 02/15/13 09:39 AM

I've have both, and I've been very happy with them. They are very sharp and work very well on both deep sky objects and the planets. On the moon you can see some lateral color towards the edge of the FOV, but in general they have very high contrast and do not have a problem with scattered light. I use both of them very frequently in my 10 and 15-inch Dobs, which are F/4.5's. They handle faster telescopes well, and they also are great for small telescopes too. The build quality is excellent. They aren't quite a Nagler, but they come close for a lot less money. You'll be happy with them.

Taras


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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: Achernar]
      #5681055 - 02/15/13 10:09 AM

Had all three
11 ES 82 N2
12 T2 nagler
12 T4 nagler

Best edge correction goes like this
12T2
12T4
11ES

In a faster scope i liked the 11T1 nagler the best!

Edited by Tank (02/15/13 10:39 AM)


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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: Achernar]
      #5681057 - 02/15/13 10:10 AM

Pretty much the same performance with both of them.

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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: droid]
      #5681060 - 02/15/13 10:12 AM

Quote:

I have been trying to round out my eps both for my 4 inch refractor and 16 inch f/4.5 reflector.
My original plan was to purchase a used 12mm nagler, I did post a wanted add in the s and s ep forum, but doubt Ill find one for my pricee constraint of 200 dollars, so........got to looking at th ES 11mm 82* and 6.7mm 82* eps, both fit within my 200 dollar budget, minus shipping, and would fill two holes medium, and high power.

So has anyone else have any experience with these two eps??
It says theyre both temporarily out of stock, do I just go ahead and order and wait? not sure how long itll take to get them in stock?




I have the 6.7mm ES82 and am extremely happy with it. It provides nice sharp views with excellent contrast and I have found it to be surprisingly outstanding for lunar observations.

Dave


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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: russell23]
      #5681092 - 02/15/13 10:31 AM Attachment (12 downloads)

When I had the ES82 11mm I used it barlowed (218x) for lunar observations with great results. Lateral color did not bother me. The 11mm along with the 2.5x PowerMate (273x) was great for resolving globular clusters.

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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: Starman81]
      #5681141 - 02/15/13 10:50 AM

I had the ES 11 82 and the Nagler 12 Type 2 at the same time. For me, the Nagler has better edge correction and the edge is easier to see. I found it more difficult to position my eye and/or turn my head to see the field stop in the ES 11, kind of defeating the point of the 82 degree field. I found the ES and Nagler to be similarly sharp on axis. The moon's limb showed more lateral color (wider band) near the field edge in the ES than the Nagler. That really wasn't much of a problem as I prefer my critical viewing to remain on axis.

Edited by ji4m (02/15/13 10:53 AM)


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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: ji4m]
      #5681183 - 02/15/13 11:12 AM

Quote:

I had the ES 11 82 and the Nagler 12 Type 2 at the same time. For me, the Nagler has better edge correction and the edge is easier to see. I found it more difficult to position my eye and/or turn my head to see the field stop in the ES 11, kind of defeating the point of the 82 degree field. I found the ES and Nagler to be similarly sharp on axis. The moon's limb showed more lateral color (wider band) near the field edge in the ES than the Nagler. That really wasn't much of a problem as I prefer my critical viewing to remain on axis.




I wonder if the issue with seeing the edge with the 11mm ES has to do with how far recessed the lense is? If the eyelense was closer to the top surface it might give more ability to take in the field to the edge.

Dave


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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: russell23]
      #5681284 - 02/15/13 12:00 PM

Coool, just got back in and a 12mm type 2 popped up, gonna jump on it, but thank you all for replying.

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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: Tank]
      #5681552 - 02/15/13 01:47 PM

"In a faster scope i liked the 11T1 nagler the best!"

and if you think you'll have a hard time finding an ES82 11mm; just wait till you try to find an 11T1 Nagler.....


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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5681656 - 02/15/13 02:26 PM

I consider myself lucky to have found very nice 12mm Nagler type2 in my price range, Ive never owned one , did look through a nagler once though, many eyars ago, almost fell off the ladder, lol

If anyone is criuos here a link to my wanted add , complete with photos
http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5678609/page...


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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: droid]
      #5682148 - 02/15/13 06:43 PM

I'll +1 the ES 82 degree 11mm. I have the 4.7 and 6.7mm on order so I can't comment on those. The 11mm is fantastic, especially for $100.

I agree with others that the TV is going to give you better sharpness overall, but if you are on a budget and you have an immediate hole you'd like to fill with your EPs, then go with the ES. You can always upgrade another day when your budget is higher.

I could talk my wife into $100 here and there. I can't talk her into $350 here and there. So, 85% the view quality for 30% of the price is a good compromise IMO.


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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: PolarBearCO]
      #5682249 - 02/15/13 07:54 PM

Very good results here with the ES 6.7. I sold the 14mm, 11mm, 8,8mm ES eyepieces, only because I wanted to try the Pentax XL series 14mm and 10.5mm, and you know how much those cost on the used market I have no plans to get rid of the 6.7. It is fantastic on globular clusters. A friend of mine was looking through my scope one night, and while scanning around with a 24mm 5000 SWA, found a somewhat faint globular. Can't remember the NGC number. At that mag stars did not resolve well. It looked more like an elliptical galaxy. I popped in the 6.7, and he said, Cooooooooollll

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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: rgm40]
      #5682271 - 02/15/13 08:13 PM

hmmm, maybe in a couple months or so I can swing a 6.7, and maybe theyll be in stock then,

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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: rinalmj]
      #5682295 - 02/15/13 08:31 PM

Quote:

I have a 6.7mm on order but I've already been waiting for 2 months...




5 months and counting for me.

Jim


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Re: ES eyepieces new [Re: droid]
      #5682299 - 02/15/13 08:33 PM

Quote:

hmmm, maybe in a couple months or so I can swing a 6.7, and maybe theyll be in stock then,




Congrats on the Nagler Andy! I have the ES6.7 and it's on of my favorite eyepieces to use.


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