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RRaubach
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TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light!
      #958344 - 05/16/06 03:18 PM

As I promised last week, here is my first light and preliminary evaluation of the Paragon 40 mm eyepiece from TMB Optical.

As an added bonus, fellow CNer and CN sponser Scott Horstman Backyard Observatories , and his associate Jeff Kreider,were present to assist with the evaluation.

Before dark, we moved my TMB 203 f/7 into my newly completed ROR observatory. Scott an Jeff drove to town to clean up and eat some dinner, while I installed the diagonal, finder scope, etc. I used a variety of terrestrial targets to align the finder with the OTA. This exercise allowed me to get some feel for the field curvature/pincushion effect present in this e.p. The field curvature was virtually zero, and there was no discernable pincushion distortion present. I looked at fence posts, telephone poles, rocks on the hillside 4 miles away with no induced dizziness or nausea.

The first target of the evening (during the very bright phase of twilight) was Jupiter.

In my TMB 203 f/7 scope, the Paragon 40 mm yields 37x magnification.

The sky conditions were generally excellent, with zero cloudiness or haze. Seeing about 6 to 7 <1-10>.

Both on axis and off axis, the image of Jupiter was extermely crisp. All 4 visible satellites were point sources of light. No lateral color noted. Comfortable eye position, and absolutely NO kidney bean or blackout was noted by any of us. Even in the fairly bright twilight, we could see the N & S equatorial bands clearly.

Saturn: After we saw enough of Jupiter, we switched over to Saturn. At only 36x, the image scale was pretty small. The image, again , was extremely sharp and colorless. Several moons seen by various members of our little group. Titan was very obvious.

M13, the Great Hercules globular: The sky was now quite dark, and a SQM reading of 21.78. At 35x, the first impression was of a pinch of diamond dust on a black background; even at this low magnification, it was possible to see the "dust" as a cloud of pinpoint stars. All 3 of us agreed that the view was truly stunning.

Scott suggested that we have a look at M92, since we were already "in the neighborhood": A smaller and fainter version of M13. Still--hints of resolution, even at low magnification.

SQM reading now 21.92 at 22:30.

M10 and M12: In the TMB, these clusters are noticably different from one another even at only 36x. M12 appears significantly more diffuse than M10.

SQM reading now 22.00 at 22:55.

M104 "Sombrero" galaxy: Easily identifiable at 36x, but image scale too small to see details.

Evaluation (mine alone): This is really an outstanding eyepiece design.

Image sharpness (on axis) 10 <1-10>
Image sharpness (edge) 9 <1-10>
Lateral color 10 <1-10>
Viewing comfort (overall) 8.5<1-10>
Value 10 <1-10>

Considering that this eyepiece now retails for $249.00 plus shipping, I consider this to be the greatest bargain on the amateur astronomy marketplace at this time. It simply overwhelms my venerable Panoptic 35, my previous "most frequently used", in almost all areas. Thomas Back has really hit not just a home run with this one , but a true "grand slam"!



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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: RRaubach]
      #958367 - 05/16/06 03:34 PM

Roger
That sounds as advertised. That is very good news.
I ordered mine before the WSP.I hope it arrives soon.
I will be using it in a 10 f6 Dob. It will be interesting to see how it does in the dob.
Thanks for the quick review.
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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: joe colontonio]
      #958430 - 05/16/06 04:23 PM

47.5/50 sounds like a heck of an eyepiece, great report Rodger!

Just out of curiosity, what would you rate the other comparitave eyepieces near that focal range, such as the 41mm Pan, using that same scale?

I'll be eagerly awaiting the lower focal length versions of this eyepiece as they become available now..

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: RRaubach]
      #958651 - 05/16/06 07:25 PM

Quote:

Viewing comfort (overall) 8.5<1-10>




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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: Joe Ogiba]
      #959090 - 05/17/06 12:53 AM

How would this compare with the UO 40mm MK70?

Thanks

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: RRaubach]
      #959155 - 05/17/06 02:05 AM

I was afraid you were gonna say that! Thanks for the report. Interesting to hear how it does with larger nebula and also wondering why the comfort was not a 10...although 8.5 is nothing to sneeze at!

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: Tom L]
      #959193 - 05/17/06 03:14 AM

Hi Rodger,

I want to thank you for the excellent and fair assessment
of the TMB 40mm Paragon eyepiece. You have great equipment,
wonderful skies, and excellent eyes, not to mention the
experience to test any eyepiece, and give an accurate
review.

Enjoy your new Paragon eyepiece!

Regards,

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: Thomas Back]
      #959348 - 05/17/06 08:50 AM

What other focal lengths will the Paragon come in? It sounds very interesting...

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: ForgottenMObject]
      #959370 - 05/17/06 09:00 AM

I don't have the exact focal lengths handy but there was a post in the Burgess Yahoo group about a month ago stating that there were plans for a line of these going down to about 20mm, maybe 18mm.

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: square_peg]
      #959495 - 05/17/06 11:11 AM

Very interesting! Thanks for posting that review.

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: Joe Ogiba]
      #959664 - 05/17/06 01:29 PM

The viewing comfort was strictly a function of the "prototype" rubber eye cup being a bit stiff and a bit unyielding. The eye position does not seem to be critical as in the Panoptic eyepieces that I own. Thomas has indicated that the rubber eyecups are going to be replaced with a softer version very soon, and that the owners of the "originals" can get a free exchange. With this ONE little glitch corrected, I would rate this as a very user-friendly eyepiece, and re-rate the viewing comfort to a 9 or 10.

Overall, this is THE eyepiece to own for locating faint and extended DSOs. I have now relagated my Panoptic 35 as "surplus to my needs" in the observatory; I'm putting it in my travel scope e.p. case. My Panoptic 27 may go there as well, since I recently acquired a W.O. UWAN 28, which I like a lot.

Sorry for the confusion about the "comfort" , since it had nothing to do with eye relief or positiong of the head; I was just trying to be accurate in my evaluation and not gloss over even small or inconsequential negatives.



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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: Mattbtn]
      #959678 - 05/17/06 01:36 PM

Sorry--I don't have a 41 Panoptic. The closest I can come to it is a 35 Panoptic, which before I got the paragon 40, was probably my "most used" e.p. I would rate the Panoptic at about a 44-45/50. The eye relief in the pan 35 is a bit TOO MUCH for my tastes, and the occasional blackouts always annoy me. Even tho' I am a glasses user, I don't observe with them. I prefer to get my eye down and enjoy the better f.o.v. Finally I am not as picky as some users re: pincushion distortion, but the TMB is FAR superior in this area.



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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: RRaubach]
      #959928 - 05/17/06 04:55 PM

Rodger,
Don't forget to record your SQM readings here:
http://www.unihedron.com/projects/darksky/database/index.php
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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: Starman1]
      #961086 - 05/18/06 01:27 PM

I already did! I recorded the 21.92 as an average reading.



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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: RRaubach]
      #961129 - 05/18/06 02:17 PM

That 40mm Paragon is a sweet eyepiece. I must buy one! TMB is certainly rolling along with many nice new products to part me from my money.

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: blandp11]
      #961160 - 05/18/06 02:51 PM

They might be the ultimate low power eyepiece for use in the Siebert Elite 45 2" binoviewer .

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: RRaubach]
      #963838 - 05/20/06 11:44 AM

Hi Rodger. Jeff and I concur the TMB 40 is a winner. As well as the 8" scope and the great mag 7 skies you've got there! Thanks so much for having us out. We had a ball!
Best,
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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: Scott Horstman]
      #964768 - 05/21/06 02:58 AM

Hi Scott and Jeff,

Thanks for posting about your observations with Rodger's
TMB 40mm Paragon. He does have wonderful skies, doesn't he?

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: Thomas Back]
      #965059 - 05/21/06 10:46 AM

He sure does Thomas. I'm used to mag 5 + or - here in Ohio. What an overwehlming change up at Rodger's. Only a hand full of sites I've been to really even compare. Such beautiful country too!
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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: Scott Horstman]
      #965450 - 05/21/06 03:59 PM

It's a lot of fun to "get lost", cause there are too many stars. Can't find the constellations!



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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: RRaubach]
      #965679 - 05/21/06 06:51 PM

I'm tellin ya! It took a few minutes to even find the "Key Stone" because there were 5 or 6 of them

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: Scott Horstman]
      #965753 - 05/21/06 07:50 PM

I had that happen the first time I was under truly dark skies. Suddenly, all the "landmark" stars that guided my view of the sky were lost in a sea of other stars I was not used to seeing! It was a whole new learning experience!

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: Agnosticus]
      #965992 - 05/21/06 10:46 PM

I had the 40 Paragon out again this past Wednesday nite; located M5, and saw some evidence of resolution at 35.5x. I was actually trying to get Palomar 5, but I was too tired out from the day's efforts on the ranch to "get serious". My sky quality meter reading was almost off scale--2 readings at 22.0. one at 21.93, and one at 22.36 (which I promptly discarded as errant). I also revisited M13, and epsilon Lyrae (both E-1 and E-2 split). Had to hang it up at only 22:30--big day the next day.

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: RRaubach]
      #966711 - 05/22/06 01:36 PM

I am pretty new to the CN forum, at least as a poster. I do allot of reading though! This TMB 40mm has really gotten my interest. I have been trying to find the "ultimate, widest true field of view" eyepiece to use with my 10" LX200 which I acquired used a few months ago. I also have the 35mm TV Pan, which I have been very happy with, but I would like to squeeze a little more TFOV out of the 10".

Are these TMB 40mm Paragon's available to the public for immediate purchase? If so from who? The Burgess Optical site really doesn't show it yet.

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: captjwj]
      #966894 - 05/22/06 03:41 PM

The Paragon will be available at a few sources within a few weeks. I think Astronomics - the sponsor of CN is one of them.

Currently, there are only a few paragons in the hands of observers. The first shipment only had about 9. The next shipment is supposed to be at least 100 and is due in "any day". Many (but probably not all) of them are pre sold. There will be a third shipment shortly after the second.

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: msholden]
      #967138 - 05/22/06 06:35 PM

Hi John, Welcome to Cloudynights!

The 40mm Paragon should be a perfect match to your 10" SCT, as well as your 5" refractor and your Newt if it has a 2" focuser. If I didn't already have the William Optics 40mm SWAN, I'd get the Paragon as it's only twice the price and, according to the reviews, provides significantly better edge correction, especially in fast scopes.

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: Lew Zealand]
      #967195 - 05/22/06 07:14 PM

Thanks for your review Rodger. Have you had a chance to try it in anything faster than your f/7?

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: Lew Zealand]
      #968697 - 05/23/06 05:07 PM

Lew wrote,
"Welcome to Cloudynights! The 40mm Paragon should be a perfect match to your 10" SCT,.."

Thanks, Lew,

I had been looking at the William Opitics 40mm SWAN eyepiece too. Maybe I will wait and see if I can get one of the TMB 40mm Paragon's.

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: captjwj]
      #973679 - 05/26/06 08:16 PM

So... I checked with Astronomics and they haven't received their shipment from Burgess yet.

Anyone heard whether or not any dealers have received theirs yet? I'm *very* anxious to get my hands on one and try it out - especially comparing to my Pentax 40mm XL.

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Re: TMB 40 mm Paragon: First light! new [Re: twhite]
      #973850 - 05/26/06 10:24 PM

I believe Burgess has not recieved them yet.
Perhaps next week, I was told

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