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PiotrM
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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: Fred76]
      #4476091 - 03/26/11 06:09 PM

I'm planning to check the 1080p MS LifeCam Studio - as a guider (whole webcam piggyback on the scope) and for lunary/planetary imaging. It should have bigger sensor... and maybe MS will reply about sensors used in those webcams.

The HD-5000 looks like it's much better than SPC900/880 (ICX098) webcams in terms of sensitivity (easily gets bright Saturn), and you get USB 2.0, ROI-like functionality. It could even challenge DBK21/31.


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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: PiotrM]
      #4491619 - 04/02/11 02:45 PM

I made a qick test of MS LifeCam studio (the biggest cam they have - 1080p) and it did work nicely (not modded webcam). It can do 1920 x 1080 at max 10 FPS. At 640 x 480 it can do 30 FPS (works like ROI at "max" zoom). Those OmniVision sensors look very nice.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2zi5w85.jpg - single frame
http://i55.tinypic.com/6j0k2d.jpg - stack 40


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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: PiotrM]
      #4497406 - 04/05/11 06:11 AM

Is this MS LifeCam studio any good for lunar imaging? I'm looking for some more pixels.
Does anyone have any examples?

Edited by Mick Hyde (04/05/11 06:12 AM)


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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: Mick Hyde]
      #4497446 - 04/05/11 06:57 AM

I didn't broke it apart yet. It has bigger sensors as reviews say, but OmniVision didn't replyed which board it uses. I used the HD-5000 for some lunar experiments. Works nicely with IR filters (ProPlanet 742)

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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: PiotrM]
      #4673086 - 07/04/11 10:28 AM

Any news on the correct setup to reach 30fps in YUV ?

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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: Fred76]
      #4762905 - 08/22/11 06:35 PM

I've followed the instructions and also can't get 30fps in YUV here. But I'm looking forward to getting my telescope setup (Meade LX200 8" ACF) and giving this a go as it is.

At the moment all I see is a blur of color from the webcam, which changes brightness as I move it around from dark to light. But I guess the blur of color is because the lens isn't attached to the sensor anymore?

But when I attach it to the telescope, that becomes the lens, so it'll look fine. I assume that's right, and I didn't break the webcam somehow, lol.


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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: LostBoyNZ]
      #4762942 - 08/22/11 07:04 PM

That sounds right. Without a lens, you just have unfocused light.

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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: bunyon]
      #4764203 - 08/23/11 11:48 AM Attachment (111 downloads)

Yep, that was my experience as well...

Mick, you asked about the MS Lifecam Studio... I ended up breaking it down side by side with the Lifecam Cinema... While I don't have the technical specifics of the sensor it's much larger. Unfortunately I haven't been able to use it yet... terrible conditions or away from home on business... hopefully I'll get to finally put them to use this weekend.

Anyways, the thread where I modded the Studio is here:
http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4730676/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1/vc/1

Thanks to Gary as I relied heavily on your Cinema mod instructions as a rough map of what to do in the Studio.

Oh, and I've followed the instructions but can't get 30fps in YUV either...


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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: AFAdrenaline]
      #4764211 - 08/23/11 11:53 AM Attachment (166 downloads)

oh... and a comparison of the two sensors. Lifecam Cinema on the Left and Studio on the Right. The Studio's sensor has roughly twice the area as the Cinema's!

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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: AFAdrenaline]
      #4819471 - 09/21/11 03:42 AM

Anyway, here is a mosaic of the moon taken with a Newton 150/750 and a Lifecam Cinema. Capture with SharpCap and stacking with Registax.

http://www.sah.123.fr/forum/download/file.php?id=3&mode=view

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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: Fred76]
      #4840864 - 10/03/11 08:29 AM

Great moon shot Fred.
Can you please give a few spec on your process for getting that detailed photo. (Us newbies want to learn)!

Was it a Modified camera? Scope used?
How many AVI frames? That kind of info.

Thanks!


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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: Juiced]
      #4879126 - 10/25/11 09:34 AM

Oups, i forgot to answer...

Webcam Lifecam Cinema, modded to fit inside a 1"1/4 ocular tube, and IR cut filter. Installed at the prime focus of my Skywatcher Newton 150/750 (no Barlow).
Acquisition with SharpCap in YUV mode, 1280x720 @ 10 fps (can't go faster). 7 films of 1min30, Registax 5.1. I don't remember how many images I took among each film, probably 30-40% of them.

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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: Fred76]
      #4890794 - 10/31/11 06:51 PM

When you say it runs at 10fps, is it 10fps @ 1/10 sec exposure, or is it 10 fps at 1/30 sec exposure? Just wondering if it can actually be set to do true 1/10 sec exposures, or greater even.

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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: JoeThePro]
      #4893421 - 11/02/11 09:28 AM

I don't think you can set the exposure on this webcam. Can you?

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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: rjsc2000]
      #4893432 - 11/02/11 09:33 AM

You can, a bit.

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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: PiotrM]
      #4895340 - 11/03/11 09:27 AM

how?

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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: rjsc2000]
      #4895413 - 11/03/11 10:21 AM

In SharpCap you may alter the exposure time. From very low to somewhere close to 1 sec.

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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: PiotrM]
      #4949166 - 12/04/11 06:39 AM

FYI,

For anyone interested in doing a lifecam conversion and don't have old eyepieces laying around...

here you can find lifecam adapter a neat little lifecam adapter. i bought a few of their other pieces in past, like their spc adapter, and they were very nice.


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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: Flappytango]
      #4949320 - 12/04/11 09:56 AM

Hello

pardon the "newbie" stuff here since I'm just getting around to being interested in this but I'm a little lost on just what is needed in terms of drivers and codecs. I have no issue tearing into this and doing the actual mod part but it's just what is needed software wise.

I've seen use this, install that, uninstall this, will work here and won't work there that my head is spinning. I'll probably just stay with the MS Lifecam Cinema since my laptop is only a Duo Core 1.6GHz and I'm running XP. Just what is it I need to DL and use? And I take it I do need to "install and then uninstall the MS Lifecam Driver"?


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Re: Microsoft LifeCam Cinema HD Webcam Modificatio new [Re: Bachus]
      #5157051 - 04/05/12 02:36 AM

Hello

One thing I am wondering about my Lifecam Cinema HD is that there is this thin film of what looks like clear palstic or tape that has been plopped over the sensor, visible on the first image of this thread.

Should this be removed? or should I let it be? looking at it it definitely does not look like something of fine optical quality, but no modification guide mentions if it should be removed or not.

As for question of Bachus, I needed to install no MS lifecam driver on my Win7 computer. I just plugged the camera in and everything seems to work on sharpcap.


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