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Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs
      #2450709 - 06/10/08 12:05 AM

Over the last month or so, I have been acquiring a large number of rare micromounts for my personal collection. In the coming days I hope to find time to take some photos of my new specimens and share them with the forum. Although honestly, the more rare a specimen is, the smaller it is - typically. This holds true for my recent acquisitions - they are not much to look at, but their history makes them interesting.

The best score I made was a small fragment of LA002 - Los Angeles 001 and 002 are paired pieces of a Martian meteorite found in the Mojave desert. This is the only planetary meteorite (lunar or martian) to be discovered on U.S. soil. What makes this small piece special, IMO, is that I received it directly from the man who found and owns it - Robert Verish. Needless to say, this piece now has a permanent place in my specimen drawer and will never be sold. If anyone ever sees me offering this piece of LA002 for sale, then you know ole Glassthrower has landed on hard times.

I also have a few tiny fragments of Ensisheim coming - Ensisheim is the oldest meteorite whose date of fall can be accurately determined. It fell on November 7th 1492. It's amazing to think that a meteorite that fell when Columbus was sailing to discover America is now sitting in my collection.

As far as irons go, I managed to score a lot of small fragments of Cape York - another rare historical. This particular meteorite was known to the native inhabitants of Greenland and for many years (prior to it's discovery by the outside world) and they chipped off pieces to make knives and other implements. When famed arctic explorer Robert Peary was shown the source of the iron by the locals, he came back for the meteorite which now sits in the American Museum of Natural History in New York.

Lastly, not really a meteorite, but I now have a large micromount of Libyan Desert Glass that is perfectly clear - clear like bottled water. I have never seen a piece with such clarity - it almost looks like a piece of broken window glass. If the piece did not have impeccable provenance, I would question it's authenticity - but the collector I acquired it from is above reproach and I saw several other smaller fragments of the same clarity from the same batch. Another lucky CN'er now owns those smaller clear LDG fragments.

Out of the 27 finds and 15 falls in my collection, LA002 and Ensisheim are by far the rarest and most valuable.

Ok, now that I have gloated over my recent scores, let's hear some bragging from the other collectors here - I'd love to see what kind of rarities and exotics are hiding out in the collections of my fellow CN'ers.

Regards and clear falling skies,

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #2486083 - 06/27/08 10:23 AM Attachment (12 downloads)

Well Thanks To You Mike,I was able to aquire a Cape York Micro-Mount.Some Very Nice Pieces Of Libyan Desert Glass.A Few Grams Of Olivine Diogenite.And a small mount of Ensisheim.

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Talstarone]
      #2486181 - 06/27/08 11:23 AM Attachment (11 downloads)

And I Just Received Some rare pieces this morning in the mail.
These 2 items are from the Hupe Collection.

This Fragment is a piece of Olivine Diogenite from Meteorite NWA 1459.
The total weight of this meteorite is listed as 49 grams, and my piece is a mere .030 grams.
But there is very little of this meteorite to be found.

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Talstarone]
      #2486183 - 06/27/08 11:24 AM Attachment (11 downloads)

Here is the Card that Accompanied the MicroMount:

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Talstarone]
      #2486188 - 06/27/08 11:27 AM Attachment (9 downloads)

And here is 2 grams of Olivine Diogenite in several small pieces.These pieces were part of NWA 1877 which is a meteorite of less the 312 grams in weight.

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Talstarone]
      #2486190 - 06/27/08 11:28 AM Attachment (9 downloads)

And the card that accompianed the 2 grams:

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Talstarone]
      #2518718 - 07/14/08 05:01 PM Attachment (8 downloads)

Well I have finally made it to 1 gram of NWA 1459.This Olivine Diogenite Meteorite has a total weight of only 49 grams total,so it is rather rare.

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Talstarone]
      #2518729 - 07/14/08 05:05 PM

And I am awaiting one more delivery about the middle of this week.
It will give me 10 grams of NWA 1877 another stone of Olivine Diogenite.
This one is larger with a total weight of 312 grams.

My ultimate goal will be to collect as much of this mass(NWA 1877) as well as NWA 1459.It will be a great quest and will help give me a sense of purpose and occupy many of my daylight hours(nightime as well).

I never knew meteorite collecting could be so addictive.

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Talstarone]
      #2518735 - 07/14/08 05:10 PM

Those are very cool...

And thank you for the pictures Todd.

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: JShrum]
      #2518852 - 07/14/08 06:04 PM

Wow, Todd, you now own half of Asteroid Vesta!

I've been meaning to post more around here, but my schedule has been tight.

Congrats on the acquisitions!

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #2519063 - 07/14/08 08:10 PM

Thank You Both Sincerely,Jeff and Mike.I appreciate the posts.

I guess with almost every collector you ultimately find a meteorite type you want to collect as much as you can of that one type.

Or is that the other way around,where most collectors look to collect as many different types as possible instead of a lot of one stone.

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Talstarone]
      #2519090 - 07/14/08 08:21 PM

Quote:



I guess with almost every collector you ultimately find a meteorite type you want to collect as much as you can of that one type.

Or is that the other way around,where most collectors look to collect as many different types as possible instead of a lot of one stone.




I would think getting as many different types as possible, but I am new to this-what do the more experienced collectors think?




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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: edwincjones]
      #2522577 - 07/16/08 02:42 PM Attachment (6 downloads)

Well the package made it today.I now have over 12 grams of Olivine Diogenite From NWA 1877(who has a total weight of 312grams)
Like Mike said above I own a good bit of Asteroid Vesta now.

I dont know why,but I guess its the fact it is rare as well as the thought that it comes from another Solar System Body(Asteroid 4:Vesta).
I just seem to want as much of asteroid on NWA 1877 as comes around.Because with only 312grams total there will come a time when there wont be any(or very,very little)of this available on the market.

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Talstarone]
      #2540736 - 07/25/08 01:56 PM Attachment (6 downloads)

Well I have added a couple more pieces of NWA 1459 to my collection.
There is about 3000 milligrams of this in the public.I have aquired about 150 milligrams of this Olivine Diogenite Stone That Has a Total Known Weight(TKW)of 49grams.

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      #2540743 - 07/25/08 01:59 PM Attachment (6 downloads)

And my collection of the other Olivine Diogenite Stone Available to the Public is NWA 1877.
It has a total known weight of 312 grams.I have picked up a few more grams of this and now I have approximately 17 grams of NWA 1877.

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Talstarone]
      #2540864 - 07/25/08 02:45 PM

This thread bothers me a little-I am never sure if the title is talking about meteorites, or meteorite collectors.

oh, well
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      #2540902 - 07/25/08 03:02 PM



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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: edwincjones]
      #2542309 - 07/26/08 10:05 AM

Quote:

This thread bothers me a little-I am never sure if the title is talking about meteorites, or meteorite collectors.

oh, well
edj




We Meteorite Collectors Do Seem like an Odd Bunch,so you might be right,edj. The title may refer to both the meteorites and the meteorite collectors.

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      #2595630 - 08/21/08 04:19 PM Attachment (5 downloads)

Here is a Great Pic of a slice of Meteorite I got in an auction a couple of weeks ago.I just now have taken the time to really look it over.

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Talstarone]
      #2595634 - 08/21/08 04:22 PM

Wow! Nice chondrules! I love a matrix with beautiful and distinct chondrules like that. I bet that would look great under a loupe or microscope.

Nice score.

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #2595696 - 08/21/08 04:57 PM

Thanks Mike.I took your advice and got the same awesome loupe you use.It is a spectacular site.

I am going to do a little hunting and see if I can get anymore from this particular meteorite.I will PM you if I score on a bigger quantity.

This piece is about 4 grams but it looks too good to even think of breaking up,unless there was no more anywhere to be found.

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Talstarone]
      #2595913 - 08/21/08 07:10 PM

Definitely don't break up that nice looking piece! It's too beautiful to smash into micromounts.

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Talstarone]
      #2596960 - 08/22/08 04:06 PM

Hi Talstarone,

Nice slice. Looks like a rather heavily weathered CV3 with a lot cute CAIs. Most probably 3118, especially if it is from eBay. Notice the chondrules are like multicolered tea, mainly indicating different relative degrees of weathering in a desert after sitting around a while for some lucky nomad. It is always a nice favor to identify the object whether in the eyepiece or lens, so the rest of us armchair enthusiasts can appreciate what we are looking at Thanks for the nice picture!

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: stelenes]
      #2597428 - 08/22/08 08:33 PM

Thank You Sincerely for the Kind Words,stelenes.
You know your meteorites without a doubt.It is indeed NWA 3118 from the Hupe Collection.

I had been so busy with many other things this little baby set around for a couple of weeks before I had a chance to really look it over,now I'm Glad I Did.

And May I add A Very Warm Welcome to Cloudy Nights, stelenes.

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: Talstarone]
      #2598364 - 08/23/08 11:16 AM

Hi,

For those interested in olivine diogenites, I think much of their magic is that not only are they from a vestoid, but from a particular place on the asteroid. Generally eucrites are the surface volcanic-like material, diogenites are subsurface, and howardites are a mix of the two. Pallasites represent core/mantle boundary material with irons being core-like material. But olivine diogenties are deeper level subsurface material that are from a region lower than the regular diogenites but above the pallasites. Here is a link to reference to my article on NWA 1459 which was the first article published on what was being called the olivine diogenite.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2002Met.....8...21H

Also is a link to an LPI article with great technical info and pics.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1502.pdf

From the horses mouth:

"The coarse grainsize may suggest that NWA 1459 is
derived from hotter, deeper levels than the other ex-
amples, and if so may imply that the Vestan mantle
might become more iron-rich with depth."

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: zagami]
      #2598400 - 08/23/08 11:29 AM

Martin, Welcome to Cloudy Nights, and especially to this forum! We appreciate you bringing your expertise to the forum, & look forward to all of your future posts!

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Re: Rarities, Exotics, Historicals, & Oddballs new [Re: zagami]
      #2598403 - 08/23/08 11:30 AM

Hi Martin and welcome to Cloudy Nights!

Thanks for the info and the links to the articles! These OD meteorites are beautiful and interesting on many levels - both to the collector and to science.

Regards and clear skies,

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