Raginar
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The Bone Yard
#5160682 - 04/07/12 12:25 PM
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Hey guys,
I've been lurking in the observatories forum for the last year or so. I decided to build a sky shed last year when I realized I would actually do AP. So, over the winter and after many setups and tear downs due to the weather, I decided it would be worth the effort to build a sky shed. It's still a work in progress with the finishing touches; trim, stain and landscaping. But, it survived a hail storm and doesn't seem to be leaking yet .
Attached are some of the pictures. I hope you enjoy them! And thanks to everyone who has posted in the past; your pictures really helped me figure out what exactly needed to be done.
Chris
 photo (5) by mads0100, on Flickr
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Raginar
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#5160686 - 04/07/12 12:26 PM
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Here is a video of the roof rolling.
http://goo.gl/Sczci
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Raginar
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#5160689 - 04/07/12 12:27 PM
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Here is a picture of it with the roof rolled/scope on the pier.
photo (4) by mads0100, on Flickr
You'll notice the overhang pinned to the gable. This was due to some high speed winds that were really bending the overhang before I could cut it off. I removed those sections shortly after this and need to put rake trim over it.
Edited by Raginar (04/07/12 12:32 PM)
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#5160691 - 04/07/12 12:28 PM
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Here is another picture of the walls prior to being installed. Being able to build most of the parts in the garage and carry them out was super-useful.
 image by mads0100, on Flickr
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Raginar
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#5160697 - 04/07/12 12:31 PM
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Finally, here is the picture of the floor/pier before I put the walls on. It settled about 2" after I got the roof on... Take care with your foundation! The wood pier is just a 6' 6x6 of treated lumber. WHile it's not nearly as stable as a concrete pier, it dampens well and it handles the CGEM fine.
 photo by mads0100, on Flickr
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Re: The Bone Yard
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#5160896 - 04/07/12 02:56 PM
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Good work. Enjoy it! Did you mean the entire floor settled 2 inches with the weight of the walls and roof? Did it settle evenly?
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Raginar
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#5161089 - 04/07/12 05:20 PM
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No, just the back corner. You can tell from the "other side" and especially if you look at it parallel with the tracks. However, it doesn't seem to effect the rolling. I'm not sure how 'easy' these things are supposed to be, but I'm not having any trouble rolling it off. What I've found is if I push it off from one side, it's shift slightly and bind up, but a sharp 'push' on the offending end puts it back on kilter and rolls just fine.
I've been too busy at work to really enjoy the end result but I have had the opportunity to practice rolling it on and off and setting up. Definitely easier than lugging the mount/tripod/scope/etc out. 
Chris
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David Pavlich
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Re: The Bone Yard
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#5161410 - 04/07/12 10:13 PM
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That's nice work, Chris! I always contend that if one can build an obs, it'll prove to be the best astrobucks you've spent.
David
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Raginar
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#5161702 - 04/08/12 03:31 AM
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Dave, I completely agree. Tonight was the first night I was able to really get a good polar alignment with my scope. Having a safe, dry place for my mount to always be setup is really nice. Oh, and when I woke up and saw the clouds had moved in, I didn't worry about rain; just rolled the roof and started shooting darks .
If you have the room and some time to build one, a shed really makes it easier.. and that's with one night under my belt!
Oh, and the wood pier is the other one. I was a little worried about doing the 'wood'. While it's not 'rock' solid, as you'd expect, it has no problem dampening out the movement of the scope and getting it ready prior to taking pictures with a fairly decent load on it. (35# or so).
Oh, and total cost was around $1500; not cheap by any means but definitely manageable. The most expensive parts were the sheathing, the roofing, and the darn track. I couldn't find anyone to give me a decent deal on track!! 40' of track and rollers cost me nearly 350 bucks... That was probably the biggest sticker shock. Other than that, 5/8" plywood for the walls isn't cheap either. However, it definitely makes for a nicely finished product in the end. The biggest thing I found was to buy wood as you needed. I was surprised to find a fairly significant difference in price of lumber depending on the when/where... For instance, lumber was cheaper at menards (2x4s, etc) but the sheathing was almost 20% cheaper at the local lumber center. I probably could've saved some money if I'd shopped around more.
The tool I didn't have and found I really needed was an electric shears. Cheap, bought one on Amazon for 36 bucks, and it cuts through metal roofing like butter. Otherwise, I only used a circular saw, a sawz-all, a miter saw, and an electric driver/drill. I used mostly 3" screws to put it all together too.
One thing I would've done differently with the roof is probably to properly sheath it with plywood decking. I don't think it would've weighed significantly more (just over 2 sheets of plywood of the thinnest stuff I could find if I did it) and it would've saved me a few bad punctures of the metal roofing. Oh, and I bought 1 5/8" roofing screws, when I should've just bought 2.5"... I only needed a few of the 2.5" but it was at the end of the day when I wanted to be done! And, with the metal roofing, you'll need to rent a larger shear tool to cut it evenly to the length of your roof. I think the electric shear could be used too, it just wouldn't be "as" clean.
Oh, and build the roof with pre-made materials. It cost 35 a piece from the local box store to have 4/12 pitch gable ends bought. There just isn't a reason not to make it simple .
Finally, you're really gonna need a buddy to help you out with this. I needed help for about 3 days of construction; the foundation, actually throwing the walls up, and finally getting the steel roofing on. Mostly it was a weight thing; I could manage the parts by myself but it wasn't easy! 
Well, time for bed since the clouds rolled in.
Thanks again, and CS! Chris
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Re: The Bone Yard
[Re: Raginar]
#5161830 - 04/08/12 08:45 AM
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Good job.Very nice.Just make sure you protect your T-11 siding.I use and recommend a Good Solid color Acrylic Stain.
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Raginar
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#5162358 - 04/08/12 03:29 PM
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That's next on the list now that it's complete. I think a good stain will be very tasteful versus painting.
The skyshed 'demo' picture is what I'd like to go for .
Chris
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#5162434 - 04/08/12 04:38 PM
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Very nice, Chris! I'm sure you'll have many clear nights of enjoyable observing.
Maybe you should paint a Bone (B-1 for you non-Air Force types) on the side of it!
Greg
(8 years on the Buff)
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Raginar
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#5162920 - 04/08/12 11:40 PM
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Good to meet you Greg, ever make it up to Ellsworth? That would be cool, I was thinking just a sign with a burned in B-1 .
Your shed looks good too. What do you have in it?
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#5163612 - 04/09/12 01:37 PM
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Nice build Chris! I know you will get a lot of use out of it, and certainly not having to drag everything in/out is a real joy!
Andy
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Raginar
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#5164157 - 04/09/12 08:38 PM
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Ya, now if it would just stop with the cirrus clouds I'd be GTG!
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I've not had the pleasure of visiting SD, Chris. I'd love to see the stars under your skies. Maybe one day...
The Rising Sun's primary instruments are a couple of solar scopes. I also have a C14 Edge.
Keep us updated on your progress!
Greg
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#5167625 - 04/11/12 09:49 PM
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Hey Greg,
That refractor is amazing! I'm thoroughly jealous . Maybe a large SCT, but I can't imagine having something like that in my 'shed'. Oh, and I got it stained over the last few days. Just in time for some thunderstorms. Took some of my first pictures too; if they turn out I'll post them. So far I'm very happy with the polar alignment and just general ease of use. Best money I've spent on astronomy!
The neighbors were definitely interested in what I was doing. They had trouble grasping exactly how it was going to open up in order to let the telescope out. Apparently they had a tally on how many different ways it could work out . Either way, they said it was, 'neat'.
What seat did you sit in buffs btw? I'm a back seater.
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#5172428 - 04/14/12 05:47 PM
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Question for everyone, what do you do about rain on your tracks? I'm noticing just a small dribble making it into my obs due to settling of the tracks. I have the two holes drilled, but it seems to condense on the bottom of the track and slowly make it's way in. My immediate idea was to get a length of rope and do something like a wick to let the water run down.
Any ideas?
Chris
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Raginar
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#5221168 - 05/14/12 12:28 AM
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Well, I never posted a semi-finished picture! Here is the inside and the outside. Still need to put some corner trim on and get a good sign but she's essentially done .
 The shed ready for business! by mads0100, on Flickr
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Raginar
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#5221170 - 05/14/12 12:29 AM
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And here is the scope on the pier showing some of the cabling:
 Untitled by mads0100, on Flickr
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Raginar
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#5221172 - 05/14/12 12:32 AM
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And another angle of the scope on the pier.
 Untitled by mads0100, on Flickr
I think the biggest thing I was surprised about is how effective wood is as a pier. The 6x6 has remained true and dampens out any vibrations quickly. It has some movement when you slew the mount around, but it's quickly removed and there isn't any issues during AP.
Here is my best example so far: my focus is a bit soft but there are round stars! The biggest change I've made hardware wise is a lode star guider... it made a HUGE difference between binning/better CCD chip.
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#5221365 - 05/14/12 06:55 AM
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Looking good 
The color theme sure does pop out of the surrounding though!
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#5221405 - 05/14/12 07:46 AM
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Very nice result.
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#5221640 - 05/14/12 10:46 AM
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Thanks Himli/Herman!
The colors do pop out a bit . Most people seem to match their house, but since my house is grey... I wanted something a little more interesting in the backyard.
How's your roof obs coming?
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#5221780 - 05/14/12 12:07 PM
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The roof obs is very fast, but after 5 years of waiting, I'm finding it hard to wait 1 week!
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Raginar
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#5223335 - 05/15/12 10:56 AM
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I felt the same way. It'll be worth the wait!
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#5223406 - 05/15/12 11:49 AM
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Chris,
Congrat's on your observatory, I agree with what David said about it being some of the best $ spent for hobby -especially for imaging. Doesn't change everything but it sure changes a lot of things that make a huge difference as you already noted. Looks great by the way - you do good work Looking forward to your imaging from the new 'astro-hangar'. Am curious as to what/ how you based decision on the wall height? Thanks for the great thread / images here.
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#5225080 - 05/16/12 12:58 PM
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Hey Jim,
Thanks! I can't wait to produce some quality photos too. I'm still learning but I'm happy with the progression from where I started and where I'm at now. I figure it'll get easier and easier as I try new things. The obs at least allows me to have a consistent platform every night!
Astro-hangar, that's awesome! I hadn't thought of that one. I like it .
My walls were based on the plans; my neighbor and I (he's a carpenter, not into astro) went back and forth on the wall height. He suggested making them higher so that I could walk in without the distraction of almost hitting my head (6' 5" or so). I decided to go with how the Sky Shed plans were out of simplicity. I didn't want to make a change and have it ripple through the plans as I was building things! What I found? it doesn't matter. Since the Sky Shed design relies on the gables and the runners to keep the roof straight so it's fairly open on the inside. If I'd decided to run 2x4s across the runners to strengthen to roof, I would've had a need to increase the wall height.
One other consideration is how much of the sky do you want to see. I can see down to about 20 degrees in the E-S-W. The N is obviously a little more worse (40 degrees) due to the roof. So, the lower walls have other advantages as well.
Glad you enjoyed the pictures. This was a wonderful project and I'm glad my wife let me do it. I enjoy DIY around the house and this was definitely the biggest project I'd tackled so far. It gave me a reason to buy some new tools an learn some new tricks! Cutting 22.5 degrees is ridiculous... biggest suggestion is to buy your gable ends pre-made. They have them at Menards and for 35 bucks a piece, it was the best money I spent .
GL, feel free to PM if you have any other questions.
Chris
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Re: The Bone Yard
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#5260891 - 06/07/12 09:53 PM
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I really enjoyed viewing your show, and chatting finally! It was a really great time! Your Bone-Yard is fantastic!
Andy
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Raginar
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#5261534 - 06/08/12 08:54 AM
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Thanks man, it was fun sharing the sun at the same time. The cool part was getting two different views between my ED80 and your LX200 .
Mallincam is doing well it seems, glad you're reallly getting it done.
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#5261662 - 06/08/12 10:30 AM
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Chris,
Very interesting thread. Nice job on the build. Question: how did you install the wood pier? Did you use cement to anchor it?
Thanks Bart
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Raginar
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#5264538 - 06/10/12 10:56 AM
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Hey Bart,
Yea, my pier is very simple. Just the straightest 6x6x6' post I could find at Menards and 2 bags of 'post' concrete. I dug the hole about 36" down, put the post in, poured the post concrete around it, and started to wet/mix it in the hole per the manufacturers instructions. 24 hours later she was straight as an arrow.
The best part? The post hasn't warped at all. I dunno why/how, but It's still the straightest piece of lumber I bought for this project .
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#5300445 - 07/03/12 10:35 AM
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Update to the obs. My mom decided she didn't need a C5 for birding and passed it on to me. I decided to throw it on the CGEM and see what I could do with it. Thankfully I still had some of my AP accessories so it was a pretty easy go of it. It's really improved my CGEM's ability to take good images.. Apparently the AT8IN was a little heavy for my particular CGEM.
Best example so far:

CS!
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#5672175 - 02/10/13 11:29 AM
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Updated picture with my new equipment. An MI-250 makes a wonderful observatory mount. In addition, I upgraded the ED80 with a moonlight focuser and bought an SBIG ST-10XME for AP.
 New mount and camera by mads0100, on Flickr
 DSC_2272 by mads0100, on Flickr
 The Bone Yard. by mads0100, on Flickr Results:

Not bad for 60 minutes of data!
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When you said Bone Yard, I thought you might be thinking of this...
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Looks like a rock solid setup. The MI250 is wonderful mount.
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Thanks Herman, it's working really well so far.
Edd, that's where it comes from. And, from our beauties down the road. If the weather is right, they come over my house.
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#5699992 - 02/25/13 02:56 PM
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Looks pretty sweet Chris...nice job! The staining really made it look sharp and it weatherproofs it as well.
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PWP, Thanks! It matches the surroundings pretty well. I've really enjoyed having a shed for all my stuff. Clear skies!
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#5710467 - 03/03/13 11:36 AM
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Just saw your recent image of M42 taken with this rig. Outstanding!
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#5710912 - 03/03/13 04:09 PM
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Thanks Herman It's good to see everything coming together!
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#5711088 - 03/03/13 05:45 PM
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Congratulations Chris! You did a beautiful job on your new observatory! I really like the new stain on it; it really adds a lot to the overall appearance! A big plus for the awesome equipment you have, also! You will so enjoy being able to observe in minutes, without hauling all your equipment out, and then back in!
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#5717161 - 03/06/13 07:58 PM
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Thanks Starman and Carol. I finally installed a network connection and connection to make the extension cord work a little better. I also added a UPS and a laptop just for the shed. No more macbook sitting in the cold!
I'm still debating about making automating the roof. I don't have permanent power.. but it'd be neat when the WX is good to just click a button and wake it all up.
Carol, I am enjoying the complete lack of setup!
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What is the wood disk you have the mount sitting on?
It's a beautiful observatory.
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Raginar
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Loc: Rapid CIty, SD
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Re: The Bone Yard
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#5720092 - 03/08/13 09:21 AM
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Paul, my wife's contribution. My new mount came with a top plate but no bottom plate. I mentioned that I was love a round think piece of wood... And she agreed me the prefab bed 12" bar stool seats at Menards!
Really cool
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celtictexan
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Reged: 04/02/13
Loc: Amarillo Texas
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Re: The Bone Yard
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#5785309 - 04/08/13 06:01 AM
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I like the way you have made it double for a kid play area with the swing.
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Raginar
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Loc: Rapid CIty, SD
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Re: The Bone Yard
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#5785475 - 04/08/13 09:12 AM
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Thanks CT, it was a pork barrel add-on from the CFO. I probably could've done without it .
I'm currently working to put a 'normal' door on it. Of note, the plans from Sky Shed are no kidding 1" too small for 'custom' exterior doors length wise. If anyone reads this, make your walls an inch higher!!!
Chris
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