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jazle
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Reged: 05/20/10

Loc: California, USA
Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: DGB]
      #5638799 - 01/23/13 12:06 PM

Looks like you're ready for a hurricane! I thought of something very similar, but on a smaller scale. I would have to do the same as you and have two different hold-downs to cover both ends.

What I'm thinking of doing is getting some box steel, cut out a slot on one of the four sides and mount it to the roof wheel set with the slot about an inch above the angle-iron track plate. Then put some lag bolts will go through the track and the heads will stick up so they slide into the groove when open or closed. Then I only need to cut the gable end for the profile of the bolts which I can tuck under a splash guard.


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DeanS
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Reged: 07/12/05

Loc: Central Kentucky
Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: jazle]
      #5638883 - 01/23/13 12:57 PM

I have forgotten to clamp my roof down before after closing up. The last time we had severe thunderstorms roll thru the area with high winds. When I went out and realized the roof was not secured I was so surprised as it did not move a fraction of an inch.

I do have some metal "keepers" that will not allow the roof to come off, but nothing to keep it from rolling, except clamps inside. However my roof is a hip roof design and that does not give as much area for the force of the wind to hit it straight on. And it is heavy.

So just something else to consider in your design if you are in an area prone to high winds and storms.

Dean

As for permitting, I just went thru a big scare with building a large equipment/party barn. My contractor said we don't need a permit and I went along thinking he had built enough to know. After they poured several truckloads of concrete for the pad, and I saw how large it was going to be, I decided to double check. Farmers don't need permits for barns that are primarily for livestock but I must have one they said for even storing mowers and tractors. So no big deal I thought, I'll get one. Turns out my contractor and excavator put it too close to the property line so I ended up having to apply for a varience which delayed the project about 3 months. But at least now I don't ever have to worry about it being non-compliant and risk being told to tear it down in the future. So yes it is worth doing it right to begin with.

And with that being said, no I did not get a permit for my observatory when I built it 10 years ago. However after the building inspector when thru my barn I showed him the observatory. He was very impressed and said it was well made.

Edited by DeanS (01/23/13 01:21 PM)


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Calypte
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Reged: 03/20/07

Loc: Anza, California
Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: DeanS]
      #5639591 - 01/23/13 09:29 PM

Quote:

But at least now I don't ever have to worry about it being non-compliant and risk being told to tear it down in the future. So yes it is worth doing it right to begin with.



We have a local brouhaha going on because people have structures that were permitted and signed off, but then another inspector shows up and decides it's non-compliant after all. My earlier comment about inspectors being laws unto themselves and being answerable to nobody (which got an angry retort from someone who apparently is a retired inspector) was partly derived from this local situation. A county supervisor got involved, and people thought they were going to get amnesty on at least some of these shakedowns, but it turns out there is no amnesty. I haven't been personally hit up, but this is exactly the sort of thing that keeps people from even inquiring about permits. And I wouldn't feel too confident that, just because you're square with the inspectors now, it doesn't mean they can't change their minds.


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DeanS
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Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: Calypte]
      #5639708 - 01/23/13 10:44 PM

I would think if you have a signed building permit, and an approved final inspection you should be covered no matter what changes??

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JJK
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Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: ///^**^\\\]
      #5640067 - 01/24/13 06:25 AM

Quote:

I second battery power and solar cell. The inspectors were hassling me about 110v in the observatory. They said electrical permit and structural review plus on some technicality because of permament utilities I would need an asthetic architectural review.

SNIP




How do you keep the batteries from freezing? Are they located underground?


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Patrik Iver
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Loc: Kaarina, Finland
Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: JJK]
      #5640838 - 01/24/13 02:33 PM

Quote:

How do you keep the batteries from freezing? Are they located underground?




By keeping them charged, which they will be, as the charge is maintained by the solar panels through the charge-/discharge controller.

Lead acid batteries do not freeze, when kept sudficiently charged. Well, eventually they do, but at really extreme temperatures (arctic, somewhere below -60 deg. F).


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Christopher EricksonModerator
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Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: DeanS]
      #5641033 - 01/24/13 04:44 PM

Quote:

I would think if you have a signed building permit, and an approved final inspection you should be covered no matter what changes??




Remodel permits normally require the entire structure brought up to current fire, electrical, plumbing (and hurricane) codes.


Edited by Chris Erickson (01/24/13 04:46 PM)


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jazle
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Reged: 05/20/10

Loc: California, USA
Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: Christopher Erickson]
      #5641416 - 01/24/13 08:32 PM

Today's Update: Picked up the structural engineering review today. Safe and sound. Other than adding the hold downs -- which were already planned, but just not yet implemented -- all the calculations came out fine. No modifications required. All that for $700.

Tomorrow I'll head down to the county to see what kind of shakedown fee for the permit they have in store. Hopefully it's the minimum $100.


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JustinO
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Reged: 10/08/12

Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: Calypte]
      #5645049 - 01/26/13 08:08 PM

Put wheels on it.
I know someone who built a chicken coop. Inspector shows up and starts yelling. Next day inspector returns -- the coop is cut off its foundation and set on an old utility trailer. Inspector leaves and doesn't come back.
Only the telescope's footing needs to be in the ground, and that isn't a "structure".


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jazle
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Reged: 05/20/10

Loc: California, USA
Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: JustinO]
      #5691547 - 02/20/13 07:01 PM Attachment (19 downloads)

Latest update: Permit application cost was $200 -- $150 now, $50 when issued. Fire department wants another $50. Took a week for the planners to review "my plans" and the engineering docs. My plans were nothing special, just a diagram I threw together in Excel of the layout for my planning. I figured that would be enough for "a shed".

Well, the planners called and they were fine with the location. Wanted to make sure it was OK with the local CC&R office (which approved it in October).

Certainly one of the most ironic questions I'll ever be asked in my lifetime regarding the observatory: "When the roof is rolled off, will the building be emitting any stray light?" Apparently, they wanted to make sure the observatory would meet the county's lighting ordinance! I think the planner realized the silliness of the question as she was asking it.

But then it goes to the plan checkers. Rather than call me, they send me a letter. In it, they want everything! Floor plans, elevation plans, roofing plans, electrical and mechanical plans, diagram of code-compliant stairs, a diagram of the roll-off/on mechanism, a diagram of the telescope mount, engineering confirmation on anything that has been covered,...

They actually sent a "residential building permit" checklist with all of the things they needed circled. The only thing they didn't check was a site plan and some energy efficiency calculations -- I had included a small site plan with the original application. They'll probably be asking for carbon monoxide detectors soon :P

So back to the engineers. They say I can save myself $1000 by doing the plan sheets myself (I knew my 7th-grade drafting class would come in useful someday). They'll do the analysis on tie-downs I devised.

Meanwhile, I keep working on anything that won't cover up any additional inspection checks.

I did get the exterior painting done this past weekend and it's starting to look like a real building. Attaching a photo.


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Raginar
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Reged: 10/19/10

Loc: Rapid CIty, SD
Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: jazle]
      #5691594 - 02/20/13 07:35 PM

Jason,

I'm really sorry to hear that. Your shed is costing you more in plans/permits than my 10x10 cost me. Ever thought about moving to SD?

Seriously though, I feel for you. It looks beautiful.


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Wmacky
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Reged: 11/24/07

Loc: Florida
Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: Raginar]
      #5691631 - 02/20/13 07:53 PM

Looks fantastic BUT......

Note to self:

When exiting the totalitarian overseer State of Florida, Avoid California at all cost.

Edited by Wmacky (02/21/13 10:52 PM)


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Startraffic
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Reged: 02/12/06

Loc: Lat. 39.143345, Long. -77.1748...
Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: Wmacky]
      #5691657 - 02/20/13 08:03 PM

Add Washington Grove to that list. I had to move a POD 5 times to conform with the setback requirements & get a permit.

Clear Dark Skies
Startraffic
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Mary B
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Reged: 05/21/10

Loc: Minnesota
Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: Startraffic]
      #5693180 - 02/21/13 05:28 PM

Here if your building comes in prefab no permit required, I could have a 20x30 foot garage trucked in and dropped on a pad with no permit.

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MRNUTTY
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Reged: 11/22/11

Loc: Mendon, MA
Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: Mary B]
      #5693420 - 02/21/13 07:48 PM

Wow! There are some maniacal town governments out there. I just went with the same contractor I used for home additions to build me a "shed". I got a regular permit, inspector didn't bat an eye at it. I consider myself lucky.

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Calypte
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Reged: 03/20/07

Loc: Anza, California
Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: Startraffic]
      #5693445 - 02/21/13 08:02 PM

Quote:

I had to move a POD 5 times to conform with the setback requirements & get a permit.

Clear Dark Skies
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What was the final setback?


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John Fitzgerald
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Reged: 01/04/04

Loc: AR
Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: Calypte]
      #5693599 - 02/21/13 09:30 PM

I am glad to say that on my observatory property there is no permitting of any kind required to build a structure of any kind, or run water, septic, or electricity. People in that county do not want zoning, permitting, or anyone in their business. It is very rural and people seem to get along fine. I go out there not only to observe, but for peace and quiet. No one out there tries to get in anyone else's business, as it could precipitate some kind of rural justice.

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Wmacky
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Reged: 11/24/07

Loc: Florida
Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: John Fitzgerald]
      #5693734 - 02/21/13 10:56 PM

Quote:

I am glad to say that on my observatory property there is no permitting of any kind required to build a structure of any kind, or run water, septic, or electricity. People in that county do not want zoning, permitting, or anyone in their business. It is very rural and people seem to get along fine. I go out there not only to observe, but for peace and quiet. No one out there tries to get in anyone else's business, as it could precipitate some kind of rural justice.




Your state just made my + list


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jazle
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Reged: 05/20/10

Loc: California, USA
Re: Permitting Lesson new [Re: Wmacky]
      #5712702 - 03/04/13 03:01 PM Attachment (16 downloads)

Update:

I drew up 14 sheets of plans and had the engineers review them. They also did the analysis on my automatic hold-down mechanism for the roof. The engineers stamped my plans and didn't charge me anything extra!

Took them to the county and it flew through the approval process. Scheduled the inspection and the inspector saw it today, looked at the plans, and said everything looks great and to call them back when I'm ready for the final inspection.

So, all in all, it added $700 for the engineering and $300 for the permits, plus about two weeks drawing up plans and driving that I could have been working on the observatory. But now I have one of the most scrutinized utility sheds on my block in case I have troubles down the road.



Edited by csa/montana (03/04/13 05:03 PM)


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astrodog73
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Reged: 02/22/13

Loc: Australia
Re: Permitting Lesson [Re: jazle]
      #5712959 - 03/04/13 05:17 PM

Plans, and the building look great, we have a good going bureacracy here, but yours puts ours to shame!
With my roll-off, I thought of securing the roof in the open position, but figured, its a very heavy roof, and for wind to move it, it would be too windy to be doing anything in the obs anyway, and whenever its that windy here, its generally cloudy.....


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