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JJK
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Reged: 04/28/08

Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: PhaedrusUpshaw]
      #5879049 - 05/22/13 08:49 PM Attachment (21 downloads)

Here's a cropped image of the Kynar-painted metal roof (which provides the look of new copper).

EDITED: These are Classic Batten Panels made by Coastal Metal Service. The color is Classic Copper (a "cool" color). From their website:

"CLASSIC BATTEN® panels are available in all of our unique COLOR LOC® Kynar 500®/Hylar 5000® painted 24 gauge steel and selected aluminum paint colors."

I installed the panels myself, and after having done it once, I now know much better how to do it. It looks fine, but I would crimp the panel ends (the ends that face you, not the standing seam ends, which click together) when it's warm out (it's hard to bend cold metal). Also, I mistakenly cut the Z-channel that keeps driving rain from coming in the top of the roof (where the panels meet the cap) into a lot of small pieces instead of simply cutting as one piece to the length of the roof (that's what happens when you're cold and tired).

This roof is a few years old and still looks new.

Edited by JJK (05/22/13 09:18 PM)


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MRNUTTY
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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: JJK]
      #5879137 - 05/22/13 09:43 PM

nice look!

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tim57064
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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: JJK]
      #5879151 - 05/22/13 09:57 PM

Quote:

Here's a cropped image of the Kynar-painted metal roof (which provides the look of new copper).

EDITED: These are Classic Batten Panels made by Coastal Metal Service. The color is Classic Copper (a "cool" color). From their website:

"CLASSIC BATTEN® panels are available in all of our unique COLOR LOC® Kynar 500®/Hylar 5000® painted 24 gauge steel and selected aluminum paint colors."

I installed the panels myself, and after having done it once, I now know much better how to do it. It looks fine, but I would crimp the panel ends (the ends that face you, not the standing seam ends, which click together) when it's warm out (it's hard to bend cold metal). Also, I mistakenly cut the Z-channel that keeps driving rain from coming in the top of the roof (where the panels meet the cap) into a lot of small pieces instead of simply cutting as one piece to the length of the roof (that's what happens when you're cold and tired).

This roof is a few years old and still looks new.



I like the look of having hidden fasteners. Wish I could have afforded it for my rolloff roof.I had to use the exposed screw on style.

Edited by tim57064 (05/22/13 09:59 PM)


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roscoe
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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: MRNUTTY]
      #5879184 - 05/22/13 10:15 PM

Aluminium roofing can be ordered from lumber yards, though I agree that it might not repel hail as well.... the steel panels are tempered or hardened somewhat, so as to resist denting. The steel ones aren't hard to handle - I've put up 18' panels by myself, but I will admit that I've installed perhaps 30 metal roofs, so I will try things that might intimidate hobby builders....
a few tricks of installing:
If you pay real close attention to purlin spacing, you can pre-drill a whole side's supply of panels at once. (I always pre-drill, it makes installing the screws a whole lot easier) Lift (not slide) the panels off the stack, to avoid scratches from metal shavings between layers.

Don't use the torque control on your cordless, a knot or hard place will release before the screw is tight, and it'll leak....tighten each screw by eye, looking for the beginning of neoprene washer bulge.
A stop-block fabricated to support the panel at the bottom edge with just the right overhang makes life a lot easier, especially on steeper roofs.
A pair of vise-grip pliers clamped on the top edge of the panel makes towing the sheet up the roof possible.
I use metal-cutting blades in a 4" angle grinder to cut panels, it's noisy, sparks and shrapnel fly out (protect your eyes and ears....) and you usually have to clean up the rough edges with a file or sander.... but it's the fastest way.....

In cooler climates, a layer of thin ply on the rafters and under the purlins will stop condensation from forming on - and dripping from....the panels.
R


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PhaedrusUpshaw
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Reged: 04/21/12

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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: stmguy]
      #5879334 - 05/22/13 11:45 PM

"I got my metal roof panels from Home Depot , they cut them to the inch , no extra charge" Good to know Norm, did you order the panels and screws on line?
Clear skies,
Bill


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PhaedrusUpshaw
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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: JJK]
      #5879418 - 05/23/13 12:41 AM

Quote:

Here's a cropped image of the Kynar-painted metal roof (which provides the look of new copper).

EDITED: These are Classic Batten Panels made by Coastal Metal Service. The color is Classic Copper (a "cool" color). From their website:

"CLASSIC BATTEN® panels are available in all of our unique COLOR LOC® Kynar 500®/Hylar 5000® painted 24 gauge steel and selected aluminum paint colors."

I installed the panels myself, and after having done it once, I now know much better how to do it. It looks fine, but I would crimp the panel ends (the ends that face you, not the standing seam ends, which click together) when it's warm out (it's hard to bend cold metal). Also, I mistakenly cut the Z-channel that keeps driving rain from coming in the top of the roof (where the panels meet the cap) into a lot of small pieces instead of simply cutting as one piece to the length of the roof (that's what happens when you're cold and tired).

This roof is a few years old and still looks new.




JKK, The copper is a classic look, thanks for the photograph and thanks for the tips.
Clear skies,
Bill


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PhaedrusUpshaw
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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: roscoe]
      #5879424 - 05/23/13 12:46 AM

Quote:

Aluminium roofing can be ordered from lumber yards, though I agree that it might not repel hail as well.... the steel panels are tempered or hardened somewhat, so as to resist denting. The steel ones aren't hard to handle - I've put up 18' panels by myself, but I will admit that I've installed perhaps 30 metal roofs, so I will try things that might intimidate hobby builders....
a few tricks of installing:
If you pay real close attention to purlin spacing, you can pre-drill a whole side's supply of panels at once. (I always pre-drill, it makes installing the screws a whole lot easier) Lift (not slide) the panels off the stack, to avoid scratches from metal shavings between layers.

Don't use the torque control on your cordless, a knot or hard place will release before the screw is tight, and it'll leak....tighten each screw by eye, looking for the beginning of neoprene washer bulge.
A stop-block fabricated to support the panel at the bottom edge with just the right overhang makes life a lot easier, especially on steeper roofs.
A pair of vise-grip pliers clamped on the top edge of the panel makes towing the sheet up the roof possible.
I use metal-cutting blades in a 4" angle grinder to cut panels, it's noisy, sparks and shrapnel fly out (protect your eyes and ears....) and you usually have to clean up the rough edges with a file or sander.... but it's the fastest way.....

In cooler climates, a layer of thin ply on the rafters and under the purlins will stop condensation from forming on - and dripping from....the panels.
R



Thank for the advice Roscoe, especially the thin ply to stop condensation from dripping off the panels.
Clear skies,
Bill


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JJK
Carpal Tunnel


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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: PhaedrusUpshaw]
      #5879489 - 05/23/13 01:43 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Here's a cropped image of the Kynar-painted metal roof (which provides the look of new copper).

EDITED: These are Classic Batten Panels made by Coastal Metal Service. The color is Classic Copper (a "cool" color). From their website:

"CLASSIC BATTEN® panels are available in all of our unique COLOR LOC® Kynar 500®/Hylar 5000® painted 24 gauge steel and selected aluminum paint colors."

I installed the panels myself, and after having done it once, I now know much better how to do it. It looks fine, but I would crimp the panel ends (the ends that face you, not the standing seam ends, which click together) when it's warm out (it's hard to bend cold metal). Also, I mistakenly cut the Z-channel that keeps driving rain from coming in the top of the roof (where the panels meet the cap) into a lot of small pieces instead of simply cutting as one piece to the length of the roof (that's what happens when you're cold and tired).

This roof is a few years old and still looks new.




JKK, The copper is a classic look, thanks for the photograph and thanks for the tips.
Clear skies,
Bill




My pleasure.


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stmguy
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Reged: 10/11/12

Loc: Western NH
Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: JJK]
      #5879649 - 05/23/13 07:21 AM

I went in and talked with the contractor specialist and he was a huge help as he helped me save some money as well as all the little things I didn't know about like the foam pieces that seal up the underside from bugs getting in there, the ridge cap , longer screws needed for ridge cap etc
Norm


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stmguy
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Loc: Western NH
Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: stmguy]
      #5879672 - 05/23/13 07:35 AM Attachment (15 downloads)

If I were to do it again I might have tried to do the standing seam as HD has that also

Norm


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PhaedrusUpshaw
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Loc: Southwestern Indiana
Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: stmguy]
      #5879943 - 05/23/13 10:38 AM

Quote:

I went in and talked with the contractor specialist and he was a huge help as he helped me save some money as well as all the little things I didn't know about like the foam pieces that seal up the underside from bugs getting in there, the ridge cap , longer screws needed for ridge cap etc
Norm



Thanks Norm, that is a part of my plan I am implementing today. I certainly do appreciate all the good tips.
Clear skies,
Bill


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PhaedrusUpshaw
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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: stmguy]
      #5879956 - 05/23/13 10:45 AM

Quote:

If I were to do it again I might have tried to do the standing seam as HD has that also

Norm



Quite an impressive Observatory there Norm, thanks for the photograph.
Clear skies,
Bill


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roscoe
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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: stmguy]
      #5879994 - 05/23/13 11:06 AM

Quote:

I went in and talked with the contractor specialist and he was a huge help as he helped me save some money as well as all the little things I didn't know about like the foam pieces that seal up the underside from bugs getting in there, the ridge cap , longer screws needed for ridge cap etc
Norm




And there is also a strip of black stuff about an inch thick and 3" wide that looks sorta like a green scrubber-pad that is made to go under the ridge cap to allow ventilation but block out bugs......
R


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stmguy
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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: roscoe]
      #5880066 - 05/23/13 11:51 AM Attachment (5 downloads)

Thanks for the kind words, what you might not know is that the roof rotates

https://picasaweb.google.com/ntfredrick/ObservatoryConstruction#5825609433846...


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PhaedrusUpshaw
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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: stmguy]
      #5880645 - 05/23/13 04:18 PM

Quote:

Thanks for the kind words, what you might not know is that the roof rotates

https://picasaweb.google.com/ntfredrick/ObservatoryConstruction#5825609433846...



Quite an engineering masterpiece, I must say I wondered when I saw the first photograph!


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Raginar
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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: stmguy]
      #5881994 - 05/24/13 10:49 AM

Norm, I hate you I wish I'd thought to have Home Depot do that for me!

Good idea.


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PhaedrusUpshaw
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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: Raginar]
      #5882863 - 05/24/13 06:33 PM

Quote:

Norm, I hate you I wish I'd thought to have Home Depot do that for me!
Good idea.



Raginar,
I have just today shopped Menard's, Lowe's and Home Depot for my metal roofing materials and HD was the only one who provided panels cut to order and I was told they would price match any other outlet including my 10% Lowe's military discount. So one needs not think to long or hard about where to order his roofing materials. I suppose you will dislike me a great deal also, however I will have to endure...
Clear skies,
Bill


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roscoe
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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: PhaedrusUpshaw]
      #5882978 - 05/24/13 07:32 PM

Jus' sayin'.....most any 'local' lumber yard can order your roof cut to length, will deliver it (often free), and will be likely to already have a price comparable to the big-box, and equally likely to match it if they aren't already cheaper....
Russ


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PhaedrusUpshaw
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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: stmguy]
      #5911008 - 06/09/13 09:06 AM

Quote:

I got my metal roof panels from Home Depot , they cut them to the inch , no extra charge . If you go with Home Depot order the screws at the same time , for some reason they are double the cost in the store
Norm



Norm,
I ordered my white roof panels from Home Depot and got them cut to my specific dimensions. I received them in less than a week and plan on installing the roof this coming week, weather permitting. I will post a photo when completed. I want to thank everyone who posted to this thread; your assistance was invaluable.
Clear skies and of course as Jack would say, “Keep looking up!”
Bill


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tim57064
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Re: Roofing material and construction: new [Re: PhaedrusUpshaw]
      #5911049 - 06/09/13 09:45 AM

We will all be waiting in anticipation to see your pic's of your progress. If you can,post numerous images of the steps you take. Wishing Clear Skies for you as we have been in clouds and rain for too long.

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