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Charlie HeinAdministrator
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Don't believe that this image is eligible...
      #3655162 - 03/01/10 07:35 PM

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BillP:



Here's "our" entry for Feb. It is a composit of many sketching members work to document the 2010 Mars Opposition which I just completed compiling.




Bill, I really like the compilation, but I don't know if it can be entered in the contest. There is a rule in the contest whose intent is to keep the images the work of one person. It was written from the perspective of an imager but the intent is pretty clear:

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10. You must be the owner or co-owner and operator. You must setup, align, take the exposures and process them yourself. No pay by the hour rent-a-scope images will be allowed.




I do not think that a compilation of several folks work will pass muster without changing this rule.

Charlie


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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: Charlie Hein]
      #3655377 - 03/01/10 09:28 PM

The intent of the rule rule seems to be exclusion of rent-a-scope images.

This is a different animal all together. But, if submitting a entry from a group is disqualified by the mods, so be it.


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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: Charlie Hein]
      #3655397 - 03/01/10 09:37 PM

If that's the rule, guess that's the rule. Seems though that the rule needs some updating if a group of CNers get together to submit a single work. Otherwise the rule discourages group efforts and sub-community building and only encourages lone-wolf works. Some food for thought next time the rules are reviewed.

Would be nice however, if there were some way to get the work of this entire forum of Mars sketchers a front page spot somehow. A lot of good work here around an important celestial event. I think it's a good example of the CN community and how it is a little different than most. Something to be proud of.


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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: BillP]
      #3655604 - 03/01/10 11:30 PM

Each of those could be entered separately, but if entered like that, then practically half of the sketching forum wins

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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: Hrundi]
      #3655632 - 03/01/10 11:47 PM

Bill, if all the contributors were to give the ok, this would be wonderful to feature at ASOD.

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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: Hrundi]
      #3655637 - 03/01/10 11:49 PM

You can always make a waiver from a rule, especially if the rule basically has nothing to do with the submission,I think some folks refrain from submitting their works in a contest as they don't sketch to win contests, but this group effort shows what sketching is all about, individuals offering their vision to the group and other folks comparing data and everyone learning in the process,to reject it because of an irrelevant rule diminishes the contest not the entree, anyway its your contest and we will have to respectively abide by your decision.

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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: Tommy5]
      #3655677 - 03/02/10 12:15 AM

Jeremy and Bill,

I give my consent to use my image however you want. If you need it in a PM let me know.

Tommy,

Outstanding post. I appreciate your elegant wording and agree with you.

Edit out last paragraph.

Edited by JayinUT (03/02/10 08:58 AM)


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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: Charlie Hein]
      #3655706 - 03/02/10 12:47 AM

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Bill, I really like the compilation, but I don't know if it can be entered in the contest. There is a rule in the contest whose intent is to keep the images the work of one person. It was written from the perspective of an imager but the intent is pretty clear:


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10. You must be the owner or co-owner and operator. You must setup, align, take the exposures and process them yourself. No pay by the hour rent-a-scope images will be allowed.


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I do not think that a compilation of several folks work will pass muster without changing this rule.





Aaahhhh, cmon. That's one of the coolest things I've seen on CN. Rules were meant to be broken...errr,uummm...bent, maybe.


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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: mandotrout]
      #3655799 - 03/02/10 02:53 AM

Well, I submitted my sketch for Feb contest, but I vote to let this amazing compilation to be and win this contest!

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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: S1mas]
      #3655835 - 03/02/10 04:02 AM

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Well, I submitted my sketch for Feb contest, but I vote to let this amazing compilation to be and win this contest!




I also submitted an individual sketch for the Feb contest but would be happy for the compilation to stay in and win. My drawings are free to use by anybody for anything.


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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: dweller25]
      #3656038 - 03/02/10 09:36 AM

As much as like the compilation, I agree with Charlie, this doesn't qualify for the monthly contest.

These entries should be entirely the work of the person submitting them. This particular image also raises the issue of submitting the work of other people to the contest without their permission - which may not be appreciated by some.


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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: Jeremy Perez]
      #3656132 - 03/02/10 10:44 AM

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Bill, if all the contributors were to give the ok, this would be wonderful to feature at ASOD.




Great idea Jeremy. I've sent out PMs to everyone.


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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: BillP]
      #3656172 - 03/02/10 11:03 AM

Bill, you are most welcome to submit it to ASOD as far as my sketch is concerned. Since some of us use user names here, it might be a nice addition to list our real names in the description portion (or even under the individual sketches if you felt like making that change) for the ASOD entry.

Mine is Erika Rix.

Great job on the compilation. I love seeing group efforts like this.


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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: BillP]
      #3656178 - 03/02/10 11:05 AM

Bill, while you're at it, you may want to ask about the ok to submit to Spaceweather, APOD, and AAPOD. It is that good.

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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: cildarith]
      #3656184 - 03/02/10 11:09 AM

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As much as like the compilation, I agree with Charlie, this doesn't qualify for the monthly contest.




Eric,

Would you speak to the powers that be about possibly adding a new section to the monthly contest? One for multi-party or group works? This way some very unique items could be presented like groups of imagers, sketchers, etc. and even a mix of all the groups. Would allow some very creative outlets. If there is interest and they need a volunteer to draft of a set of rules for that category, I would volunteer.


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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: BillP]
      #3656470 - 03/02/10 01:32 PM

I understand the point behind the disqualification of this entry, so I've picked another entry to to give my vote to (and it's not mine).

Anyhow, I just wanted to say, that I congratulate to everyone who took the time to sketch Mars last month and were patient enough to wait until their mirror cools down.


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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: starquake]
      #3656497 - 03/02/10 01:46 PM

Bill,

It was an inspired idea and a gallant effort on your part to give this idea a try.
The rules of the sketching/image contest should be followed to the letter or modified to be inclusive of such a work.

Frank

PS Bill in my mind you won for originality


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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: frank5817]
      #3656515 - 03/02/10 01:57 PM

Thanks Frank. Never my intent for "me" to win. Would demand 25 t-shirts from CN if it won From the beginning for me, this was and is definitely "our" work. A great team of Mars sketchers here I've sent PMs to all for permission so it can be posted off-CN like suggested...to ASOD and other places. Credit will always be to all 25 members whose pics are shown. Once I get all the permissions then will maintain a thread here letting people know where it is posted so they can see and keep track.

btw, now that Saturn is becoming more of an evening star...we should do the same thing for it as well


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Charlie HeinAdministrator
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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: BillP]
      #3656523 - 03/02/10 02:04 PM

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If that's the rule, guess that's the rule. Seems though that the rule needs some updating if a group of CNers get together to submit a single work. Otherwise the rule discourages group efforts and sub-community building and only encourages lone-wolf works. Some food for thought next time the rules are reviewed.

Would be nice however, if there were some way to get the work of this entire forum of Mars sketchers a front page spot somehow. A lot of good work here around an important celestial event. I think it's a good example of the CN community and how it is a little different than most. Something to be proud of.




Bill, that's a good thought. I think I'll nose around a bit and see if something can be arranged.


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Re: Don't believe that this image is eligible... new [Re: Charlie Hein]
      #3656596 - 03/02/10 02:40 PM

Once again folks, I really am truly sorry about this.

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