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Hemmi
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17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2
      #5283940 - 06/22/12 02:11 PM

I just found this camera from china. Seems like it would be worth a try. Any ccd experts out there have an opinion on this cameras specs? Price seems cheap, but would take a month or so to get from china. Any thoughts?

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/577569401-Free-shipping-High-Resolution-1-3-SONY-960H-EXview-HAD-CCD-II-700TVL-0-0003Lux-Real-wholesalers.html


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scout72
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: Hemmi]
      #5284000 - 06/22/12 02:46 PM

Looks cool- I would want to check out the manual before ordering to confirm manual settings of other function but also just did more of a broad search and looks like there are a few manufacturers that are using a DSP with x1024 sens-up- i would imagine this would REQUIRE some kind of cooling mod to get decent results but definitely exciting with a 700TVL chip 960h ex-viewII.

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Hemmi
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: scout72]
      #5284018 - 06/22/12 02:59 PM

Well I feel like a Guinna pig, because I ordered one just to play with. First task is to hope I didn't get scammed, because Aliexpress can be dodgy. I ordered the Pal version for the 20sec integration. If I get scammed its a lost 75 dollars, but its the only place I can find this camera. We shall see.

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John Miele
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: Hemmi]
      #5284050 - 06/22/12 03:28 PM

Is it color or B/W?

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Hemmi
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: John Miele]
      #5284084 - 06/22/12 03:59 PM

Quote:

Is it color or B/W?




Color


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: Hemmi]
      #5284178 - 06/22/12 05:08 PM

Odd that the SCB-2000 specs at .0001 lux at 512x while this camera specs .0003 lux at 1024x.

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scout72
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: StarmanDan]
      #5284217 - 06/22/12 05:41 PM

The stated lux ratings for most cctvs are a joke- there is no standard for testing- I did find the same stat on the camera manufacturers website (lntech) and it had this: Lux= 0.003 (x256)

The important thing is what CCD chip and DSP are they using- I found a reference to Hitachi DSP for these cameras- not sure if that is correct- Hemmi will have to take some pictures when he dissects his!


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: scout72]
      #5284435 - 06/22/12 08:50 PM

If that's an ExView HAD II type-1/2" camera, I'd say it's a good deal. (NTSC: ICX672AKA, PAL: ICX673AKA).

AFAIK, SONY's Effio DSP line does not have capability to go slower than 512x field-integration time. Thus 1024x has to come from a different manufacturer.

Old CN thread: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=VAA&Number=4921817

BTW, 960H CCD is making the pixel size smaller thus the S/N will not be as great as the commonly seen SONY enh-reso video CCDs.

Clear Skies!

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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5284454 - 06/22/12 09:15 PM

I think from looking at the 5 different models being sold on ebay at the link mentioned above that there are different sets of internals. Some sound like they are Effio based (2D noise reduction, 512x, etc.) and some are different (3D NR, 1024x).

It will be interesting to see what Hemmi actually gets.

The ExView HAD II is a great chip. It will be interesting to see the effect on DSO type of viewing/imaging from the trade off between increased resolution/increased noise (smaller pixels) and increased sensitivity. I'll bet it will also be a great planetary imager, based on how well the 1/3" Samsungs do in this area and the improvements this camera has.


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scout72
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: Hemmi]
      #5284482 - 06/22/12 09:46 PM

Couple more links- from the manufacturer- I ordered one too:

http://www.lntech.com.cn/en/products/productsinfo.asp?id=538

http://www.lntech.com.cn/en/products/products.asp?lbID1=46&cName1=boxcamera

The 320, 301, 300 series are the ones with a 700tvl x1024 option- the 300 looks kinda neat because it is a small form factor-


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Hemmi
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5284489 - 06/22/12 09:50 PM

Quote:

If that's an ExView HAD II type-1/2" camera, I'd say it's a good deal. (NTSC: ICX672AKA, PAL: ICX673AKA).

AFAIK, SONY's Effio DSP line does not have capability to go slower than 512x field-integration time. Thus 1024x has to come from a different manufacturer.

Old CN thread: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=VAA&Number=4921817

BTW, 960H CCD is making the pixel size smaller thus the S/N will not be as great as the commonly seen SONY enh-reso video CCDs.

Clear Skies!

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Correct it is not an Effio, but what I have no Idea. There seems to be only a handful of cameras out now with x1024 DSP. I can't find any reference to what DSP is in any of these new x1024 cameras.

Someone has to test these new cameras. We have had the same 2 Samsungs (a couple name changes, but nothing new) for 2+ years.


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: Hemmi]
      #5284497 - 06/22/12 09:54 PM

Here is an example of a dome model (h3) with x1024 sens-up that specifies Hitachi Dsp

In the description it says : "our own DSP (h1), Effio DSP (h2) and Htachi DSP (h3)"

The h3 model with Hitachi DSP is the one with x1024

v3 dome


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: Hemmi]
      #5284499 - 06/22/12 09:55 PM

Can you ask the seller to send you the manual via pdf file and put it on this site so that we can look at it. If not, when you get the camera, let us know what it can do. I am interested too.

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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: James Cunningham]
      #5285890 - 06/23/12 08:44 PM

Hey this looks very interesting indeed...Wonder about the ir filter....look forward for more info..
Nice find Hemmi


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: mega256]
      #5286177 - 06/24/12 12:48 AM

Interesting. Good find Lee

It would be nice to find an improvement on the existing SDC-435/SCB-2000
and at those cheap prices it would be fantastic to help get people into Video ($70 Aussie with Free shipping from China).


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: Dragon Man]
      #5286260 - 06/24/12 03:11 AM

Quote:

Interesting. Good find Lee It would be nice to find an improvement on the existing SDC-435/SCB-2000
and at those cheap prices it would be fantastic to help get people into Video ($70 Aussie with Free shipping from China).


Agreed Ken - at those prices [£40 PP] might be tempted to remove my Lodestar and try a little video ... but I love my Lodestar when it can churn out stuff like this in 1second exposure etc in M13 + Catseye PN [1s]; M92 [1s]; M92 [30s] and M57 [20s]


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 [Re: nytecam]
      #5286303 - 06/24/12 04:37 AM Attachment (83 downloads)

Hi CCS - would these board cams be worth a punt or is additional circuitry needed for sense-up

This board seems identical [x1024 sensup] to the $73.50 complete box cam but small enough for mail envelope and fab as EPcam or at prime focus of Newt [no secondary] as weight is tiny - now I'm getting carried away - focal reducer before cam not shown !


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 [Re: Dragon Man]
      #5286328 - 06/24/12 06:53 AM

I wonder if you use Gstar software whether you could extend the exposure time to 34 seconds? With that chip and a good reducer, you should be able to see almost everything.

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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5286336 - 06/24/12 07:09 AM

Quote:

If that's an ExView HAD II type-1/2" camera, I'd say it's a good deal. (NTSC: ICX672AKA, PAL: ICX673AKA).




Oops typo, I meant
"If ... type-1/3" ...

Sorry.

ccs_hello


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 [Re: nytecam]
      #5286341 - 06/24/12 07:16 AM

Nytecam,

Hmmm... that RJ11 indeed looks like is (or similar to) the $73 1024x 960H videocam.
However, I noticed that it does not have the 5-button input leads but can be controlled by Pelco-D RS485 interface. This may not work for some of the users here.

When Hemmi get his videocam, a close-up shot on the CCD board woudl be helpful for A-B comparisons.

In general board camera is a good solution for small form factor such as your proposed solution. Just need to make sure it won't get wet or touch any metal causing short-circuit .

Clear Skies!

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