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warbird
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: svrider1000]
      #5602279 - 01/03/13 01:34 AM

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Warbird,

Wow this looks great! What scope are you using for this? Hopefully mine will arrive soon.





Thanks!
Yes, this turned out much better than I had hoped for!
This i actually first light for my new small refactor, Ikharos™ 70 ED.
If I remember correctly I used EGC in Middle and 32X-64X.


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Hyperstar anyone? new [Re: warbird]
      #5602930 - 01/03/13 12:42 PM

Has anyone used this cam with a hperstar at f2?

If so how did it go.


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warbird
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: warbird]
      #5603406 - 01/03/13 05:30 PM Attachment (176 downloads)

I did a test with DeepSkyStacker tonight.
I took 24 snapshots with 1 minute apart and then let DeepSkyStacker to what it does...
I really like to watch live and still be able to make ok web images.
Great fun! :-)


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: warbird]
      #5606489 - 01/05/13 12:18 PM

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I did a test with DeepSkyStacker tonight.
I took 24 snapshots with 1 minute apart and then let DeepSkyStacker to what it does...
I really like to watch live and still be able to make ok web images.
Great fun! :-)




Wow wow wow wow ...


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mattflastro
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Reged: 07/31/09

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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: warbird]
      #5606632 - 01/05/13 01:27 PM

Quote:

I did a test with DeepSkyStacker tonight.
I took 24 snapshots with 1 minute apart and then let DeepSkyStacker to what it does...
I really like to watch live and still be able to make ok web images.
Great fun! :-)



Great image , what scope did you use for it ?


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warbird
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5607006 - 01/05/13 05:37 PM

Thank you!
Scope is a small 70mm f/6 refractor. Ikharos 70 ED
It is strange to see so much with such a small telescope! But fun...


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD new [Re: warbird]
      #5610115 - 01/07/13 12:19 PM

I finally got my camera working with my low end iOptron 80mm @f5 Achro refractor. I am still trying to figure out the setting on the camera but I did set it up at 1024 like they showed us in the YouTube video above. I am going to try it on my 4 inch refractor tomorrow night hopefully to see if the images improve. These were taken without a Barlow and are single shots from SharpCap.









Edited by svrider1000 (01/08/13 02:02 AM)


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Live_Steam_Mad
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD new [Re: svrider1000]
      #5645475 - 01/27/13 04:49 AM

Anyone tried a cheap-ish camera with x1024 (20.4 seconds integration time @625 lines output, or 17 seconds @525 lines) with 1/2" sensor instead of 1/3" ?

Would like to get a wider view with 8" @F3.3 but without the IMHO huge expense of Mallincam.

BTW MUST be remote control capable.

Cheers,

Alistair G.

Edited by Live_Steam_Mad (01/27/13 04:50 AM)


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mattflastro
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Reged: 07/31/09

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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD new [Re: Live_Steam_Mad]
      #5647161 - 01/27/13 11:15 PM

Quote:

Anyone tried a cheap-ish camera with x1024 (20.4 seconds integration time @625 lines output, or 17 seconds @525 lines) with 1/2" sensor instead of 1/3" ?

Would like to get a wider view with 8" @F3.3 but without the IMHO huge expense of Mallincam.

BTW MUST be remote control capable.

Cheers,

Alistair G.



The Sony icx672/673 sensors ( although 1/3" ) are more sensitive than any Sony 1/2" CCD , due to being their latest generation technology. Because of this, there are no new CCTV cameras with 1/2" Sony sensors .
However, you can still get a wider field of view with the 1/3".
You can use the x.33 reducer on the scope with an additional 1.25" x.5 focal reducer on the camera , or use a variable extension from the .33 reducer to the camera (without the .5 reducer) . The effective reduction is more than .33 , can get down to x.22-x.25 . Just place the .33 reducer right on the scope rear SCT thread without any visual back, no eyeopener or any other device. Then figure out the maximum spacing from the .33 reducer to the camera for which you can still focus the scope with the primary mirror focuser. The limiting factor will be the focus travel, you will reach the maximum reduction factor when the focus travel is almost at the end . Leave just a tiny bit of travel for refocusing .


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Live_Steam_Mad
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5647326 - 01/28/13 01:50 AM

Thanks. BTW out of curiosity, how much is the cheapest 2/3" format CCTV camera? Anyone got a link to one?

Cheers,

Alistair G.


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5647840 - 01/28/13 11:11 AM

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The Sony icx672/673 sensors (although 1/3") are more sensitive than any Sony 1/2" CCD, due to being their latest generation technology. Because of this, there are no new CCTV cameras with 1/2" Sony sensors .



And a lot of folks are waiting with baited breath on those 2400+mv 1/2 and 2/3" sensors.

Just imagine a 50% increase in basic sensitivity compared to an ExView HAD chip ... but it's going to take some exceptional noise reduction capabilities to make cameras based on these new chips really useful for faint dso work.

Come on Sony ...


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD new [Re: Live_Steam_Mad]
      #5648947 - 01/28/13 06:45 PM

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... how much is the cheapest 2/3" format CCTV camera? ...




Oh no. SONY type-2/3" CCD designed for video (NTSC or PAL) applications is a dinosaur. Last seen in 1997, about 15 years ago: ICX082/ICX083 and ICX062/063. They are B&W only and are in pre-SuperHAD era!

Oh yeah, with recent technology improvement, type-1/2" CCD for video has ceased the new development on that format.

Clear Skies!

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Live_Steam_Mad
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5649560 - 01/29/13 12:23 AM

I accept that is true for CCTV applications for PAL and NTSC video, after trying a search for them, but a quick visit to the Sony Broadcast and Professional website shows quite a few 2/3" CCD camcorders (still tape based HDCAM, and XDCAM which is optical disc based!). The technology is called "Power HAD". I wonder what the sensitivity of them is like compared to the ICX672 / 3 ?

http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/product/hdcamcamcorders/hdw-650p/overview

Also found this ;-

http://www.jencam.de/WebRoot/Store/Shops/JenCam/4F49/0363/88A4/FBF2/5B9A/D911...

Cheers,

Alistair G.

Edited by Live_Steam_Mad (01/29/13 01:25 AM)


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD new [Re: Live_Steam_Mad]
      #5649851 - 01/29/13 08:34 AM

Alistair,

I referred to the NTSC/PAL type of standard resolution video CCD, not broadcast/studio type of special SONY HD CCD .
Ever checked SONY broadcast division's price tag ?

BTW, I hope they just reused the term PowerHAD in modern days, since PowerHAD CCD has been introduced/used in 1995-1996 era. That's also pre-SuperHAD.

Clear Skies!

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mattflastro
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Reged: 07/31/09

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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD new [Re: Live_Steam_Mad]
      #5650665 - 01/29/13 04:18 PM

Quote:

I accept that is true for CCTV applications for PAL and NTSC video, after trying a search for them, but a quick visit to the Sony Broadcast and Professional website shows quite a few 2/3" CCD camcorders (still tape based HDCAM, and XDCAM which is optical disc based!). The technology is called "Power HAD". I wonder what the sensitivity of them is like compared to the ICX672 / 3 ?

http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/product/hdcamcamcorders/hdw-650p/overview

Also found this ;-

http://www.jencam.de/WebRoot/Store/Shops/JenCam/4F49/0363/88A4/FBF2/5B9A/D911...

Cheers,

Alistair G.




Those are monochrome 2/3" CCD's . When it says 3CCD it means there are 3 monochrome chips with a prism/dichroic beamsplitter assembly to feed each ccd one of the 3 color .


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S.Boerner
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5655829 - 02/01/13 08:48 AM

I see where there is also a bullet version of the camera:
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/1-3-SONY-960H-EXview-HAD-CCD-II-700TV...

While I don't have this camera in a bullet model, I do have a similar one from another supplier (650TVL SONY Super HAD CCD II, 0.001 Lux Sense-up x512 Starlight, & 1024x electronic shutter). I'll admit that the weather here has been bad enough that I have not tried out the camera at night, but the adapter described below seems to work well in daylight.

It was very easy to make an adapter that lets me mount the adapter to a 1.25" focuser or C/CS mount lens on one side and the bullet camera on the other. The advantage is that the camera can have continuous spacing so I don't have to resort to fixed spacers in the path. The adapter is a 2" block of wood with a 1.25" hole 3/4" deep on one end and a hole for the camera through the block on the other. I can mount the barrel of a 1.25" eyepiece OR C/CS ring on the 1.25" end with a grub screw. The camera slides in & out of the other end. It makes connecting the camera to various zoom lenses or focal reducers an easy job.

This camera/adapter combination makes using my 12-240mm CCTV zoom lens with 2x extender and keeping focus through the entire zoom range a piece of cake! That's something I could never do with my SDC-435.

You may wish to check out the bullet profile of the IN-TECH camera.


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mattflastro
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD new [Re: S.Boerner]
      #5656375 - 02/01/13 01:32 PM

Quote:

I see where there is also a bullet version of the camera:
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/1-3-SONY-960H-EXview-HAD-CCD-II-700TV...

While I don't have this camera in a bullet model, I do have a similar one from another supplier (650TVL SONY Super HAD CCD II, 0.001 Lux Sense-up x512 Starlight, & 1024x electronic shutter).



The Lntech camera at the link you posted is _not_ another version of the camera . It is a different camera using a different simpler DSP , RJ8 , which does not support sense up.
It would be good to know what bullet camera do you have that supports sens-up and slow shutter ? ( exact model and vendor or manufacturer ). That way people who want to use your useful adaptation idea would get a tested camera that works rather than one that only looks like it might work.
Thanks


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S.Boerner
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5656565 - 02/01/13 03:12 PM Attachment (61 downloads)

Sorry about saying the cameras were the same. I saw bullet posted on the Macro-Snowball site and jumped to the wrong conclusion.

The bullet I have is:
http://www.securitycamera2000.com/products/Sense%252dup-x512-650TVL-Starlight...

While the manual doesn't say it, it does have 1024x electronic shutter, x512 sense-up, but only low/medium/high AGC. I won't say that the camera is fully
tested. I've had it for a month and have only seen the output on an LCD TV.

Here's a pic of the camera, .5x focal reducer, adapter, and flip mirror on my 12" collapsible SkyWatcher dob.

Edited by S.Boerner (02/01/13 03:19 PM)


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mattflastro
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD new [Re: S.Boerner]
      #5657451 - 02/02/13 12:38 AM

Quote:

Sorry about saying the cameras were the same. I saw bullet posted on the Macro-Snowball site and jumped to the wrong conclusion.

The bullet I have is:
http://www.securitycamera2000.com/products/Sense%252dup-x512-650TVL-Starlight...

While the manual doesn't say it, it does have 1024x electronic shutter, x512 sense-up, but only low/medium/high AGC. I won't say that the camera is fully
tested. I've had it for a month and have only seen the output on an LCD TV.

Here's a pic of the camera, .5x focal reducer, adapter, and flip mirror on my 12" collapsible SkyWatcher dob.



That's a good idea .
I'm wondering though if the wooden block is not too much of a thermal insulator . A "final" version made of aluminum could reduce the CCD temperature significantly compared to the wood. Think about it like the best noise reduction tool. If the CCD temp drops 12 degrees, its noise drops to 25% . You could increase exposure time fourfold without any noise increase. I think that would be the most bang for the buck improvement in your setup.


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mattflastro
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD *DELETED* [Re: S.Boerner]
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