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LNtech 300 shrink down & wired remote control
      #5424442 - 09/16/12 09:35 PM Attachment (119 downloads)

Hi,

Just got the LNtech LN300R 960H NTSC video cam. This toy is using Exview HAD II type-1/3" ICX672AKA CCD.

Here is the inside on the main board.

There are 3 cords connect to the back board.
4 PIN cable: it's for lens control. For practical purpose it's not useful in our field. It will be removed.

3 PIN cable: 12V Power (RED), Ground (BLACK), and RS170A Video out (YELLOW).

2 PIN cable: to handle top-down-left-right-center buttons, using resistor matrix. <-- Black-White cord

Some interesting circuit observations:
1) 2-wire control (I'll show a DIY, posts #4-#11). No need to bother RS485 type of control.
2) RJ-11 DSP/CPU is used
3) AD9943 10-bit A/D AFE
4) JRC's NJM2274 (Y + C combiner) to form composite video output. In another word, this camera can send out S-video, if a slight change is made.
5) probably 74AC07 (JRC again) to drive lens-drive signals
6) IR-cut output (to drive a solenoid to mechanically move-in/move-out IR-cut filter) is unpopulated and is optional.

In post #12, I'll describe my general observations on its image accumulation part of design and software-based image summing.

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5424450 - 09/16/12 09:39 PM Attachment (72 downloads)

Here is the cable you can find for board camera. I happend to have one. Black jack is for 12V power. Yellow is the coax video out.

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5424451 - 09/16/12 09:40 PM Attachment (75 downloads)

Does this cam look smaller?
(Still have to handle the 5 buttons...)


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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5424460 - 09/16/12 09:44 PM Attachment (68 downloads)

Remote control handbox

- project box
- 5 push button switches
- 4 resistors

15KOhm (Top)
27KOhm (Right)
56KOhm (Bottom)
6.8KOhm (Center) i.e., 6k8
0 Ohm for (Left) i.e., no resistor required


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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5424463 - 09/16/12 09:46 PM Attachment (48 downloads)

Push-button switches mounted

Left is "Top" switch.


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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5424469 - 09/16/12 09:48 PM Attachment (42 downloads)

5 switches share the common contact. This is one of the 2 leads used for that (Black-White cable).

Left side is "Bottom" push button.
Bottom side is "Left" push button.


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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5424471 - 09/16/12 09:50 PM Attachment (55 downloads)

Now with 4 resistors and one "jumper wire" soldered in into one single junction.
They (4 resistors and one direct-wire) form the other lead for the two-wire control cable.

The mounting method is "fly wiring", a vacuum tube era technique .


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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5424475 - 09/16/12 09:52 PM Attachment (40 downloads)

The control wires (2 of them) are soldered and coming out from the bottom side of the box.

The control box is done.

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5424480 - 09/16/12 09:55 PM Attachment (67 downloads)

End result
(3 pictures)

The coupling is a 2" with a focal reducer built-in.
(My previous project, described here in CN.)

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5424482 - 09/16/12 09:56 PM Attachment (40 downloads)

The BLACK-WHITE cord connects to the 2-wires comming out of the control box.

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5424484 - 09/16/12 09:57 PM Attachment (45 downloads)

Side view.

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5424578 - 09/16/12 11:04 PM

Now on the camera's behavior:

As expected, this cam is tuned mostly for automated operation without human intervention. In another word, have to try hard to defeat camera's CPU making decision and override your input.

Another thing is that this camera takes time to initialize, also the picture update cam be long, after the image is acquired. I.e., Do not expect immediate display when an image acquisition period ends.

If need to have a predictable result, do not use any setting starts with "A", e.g., AGC. (Automatic Gain Control.)
Actually SENSE-UP is too smart (cam does thing other than your input on that field's setting).

AGC is rather crazy, in addition to signal gain, on as needed basis, it will also do software image summing.

The SENSE-UP in this camera's design is also software image summing.

The only one that does image accumulation (true long exposure) is the ELECTRIC-LENS setting (up to 1024x).
But in this setting, do not turn on AGC. It will once again messing up the long exposure.

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5425464 - 09/17/12 01:36 PM

I have the same camera and I just wanted to say thank you so much for this thread. I need to duplicate your control box.

Please keep us updated on what you discover. I only had the camera out one night and it seemed to work well.


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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #5425733 - 09/17/12 03:54 PM

disregard


Edited by Teabagger (09/17/12 03:56 PM)


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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #5426800 - 09/18/12 07:09 AM Attachment (57 downloads)

I just got an e-mail from Jock who sells these cameras. He sent me 2 photos of a remote control cable. Here they are:

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: James Cunningham]
      #5426802 - 09/18/12 07:10 AM Attachment (39 downloads)

Here is the other one:

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: James Cunningham]
      #5426899 - 09/18/12 08:40 AM

Jimmy

The cable set is cables only.
The board you've shown is not LN300.

The cable would work but IMHO is overkill for LN300R.

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down & wired remote control new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5427617 - 09/18/12 03:14 PM

Quote:

Hi,

4) JRC's NJM2274 (Y + C combiner) to form composite video output. In another word, this camera can send out S-video, if a slight change is made.

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The S-video out possibility is really interesting. You can bet that I will follow this thread closely.


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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5427942 - 09/18/12 05:59 PM

Example of this cable (post #2) can be found in fleabay linkie or search there keyword "BNC DC Power Jack to 3 Pin Connector Cable".
$2 shipped to US. Good price!

Note: I have not seen the actual cable so I am just guessing. The polarity (cable colors) must be correct or big trouble.
P.S. adding a 100mA in-line fuse on the power side (RED wire) is highly recommended.

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5428830 - 09/19/12 08:07 AM

It looks like all this cable does is extend the video connection and the power connection. Nothing for remote control.

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: James Cunningham]
      #5428854 - 09/19/12 08:36 AM

Jimmy,

The cable bundle you've shown has 4 connectors. (pigtail only)
Only two are used in LN300, the "OSD Control" (AD Key) is used for remote control (blue-white pair).

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: James Cunningham]
      #5428985 - 09/19/12 10:34 AM

Could you list which resistors you used? I was looking at the photos and I can only make out one or two clearly. I am not familiar enough with them to know automatically.

Also because the pictures are top-down I can't tell if contacts are touching or not.

Thanks!


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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #5429266 - 09/19/12 01:50 PM

see #5424460 above

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: mclewis1]
      #5429417 - 09/19/12 03:17 PM

Quote:

see #5424460 above




Ah gotcha. I was just looking at the pictures.

I think a trip to radio shack is in order.


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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #5429656 - 09/19/12 06:18 PM Attachment (71 downloads)

I painted the wires to show the lower layer (black) and upper layer (red).

Again, Left side is "Bottom" push button.

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5429663 - 09/19/12 06:22 PM

Resistor color code:

15KOhm (Top) Brown-Green-Orange
27KOhm (Right) Red-Violet-Orange
56KOhm (Bottom) Green-Blue-Orange
6.8KOhm (Center) i.e., 6k8 Blue-Gray-Red
0 Ohm for (Left) i.e., no resistor required, just a straight wire


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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5429921 - 09/19/12 09:06 PM

Two suggestions:

DC Power supply per spec is 12V +-15% which is 10.2 to 13.8V.

Electric_Lens is on-CCD long exposure and
AGC is signal gain plus off-chip digital summing from multiple consecutive frames.

These two can go hand-in-hand in very low light situation.
The first method should be used first.

P.S. the factory IR-cut filter (to fit human visual response) is an interference filter which is better than dye-based filter.

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: James Cunningham]
      #5430896 - 09/20/12 12:54 PM

This got me to thinking instead of building a project box controller, just extend the existing headers with cat5 and use the back panel as the controller point either dropped into a box for more stability or cap the back as is. Simple cheap, and functional.

Edited by Teabagger (09/20/12 12:56 PM)


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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: Teabagger]
      #5431506 - 09/20/12 07:04 PM

Sure it will work.
Just extend that BLACK-WHITE pair to a bit further for remote control.


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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5431764 - 09/20/12 09:55 PM Attachment (117 downloads)

This is the finished result, basically(literally) cut the camera in half and spliced in a 25 ft cable. plugged it in and it seems to work. Since i got the MxC I doubt I will use it again, just did this cause i could.

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: Teabagger]
      #5431767 - 09/20/12 09:57 PM Attachment (62 downloads)

another angle. just *BLEEP* black berry camera

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: Teabagger]
      #5431834 - 09/20/12 10:44 PM

I was thinking of putting in a cat5 jack on the back and wiring everything through it. A little plexi glass for end caps and some silicone to seal it up should work.

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down new [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #5431857 - 09/20/12 11:01 PM

Thats exactly what I will do as soon as hit an electronics store up...I just made it work with what I had on hand. I also used plexi glass for the back plates(It does not show to well in those pictures)

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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down & wired remote control new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5645515 - 01/27/13 05:44 AM

Is that mod shown in post #1 exactly the same for these two cameras ;-

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-High-Resolution-1-3-SONY-960H-EX...

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/1-3-SONY-960H-EXview-HAD-CCD-II-700TV...

...from http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=VAA&N...

?

Cheers,

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Edited by Live_Steam_Mad (01/27/13 05:45 AM)


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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down & wired remote control new [Re: Live_Steam_Mad]
      #5645768 - 01/27/13 10:33 AM Attachment (16 downloads)

Quote:

Is that mod shown in post #1 exactly the same for these two cameras ;-

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-High-Resolution-1-3-SONY-960H-EX...

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/1-3-SONY-960H-EXview-HAD-CCD-II-700TV...

...from http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=VAA&N...

?

Cheers,

Alistair G.



The larger camera (your first link) is LN-320-11673 .
The smaller camera (your second link) is LN-300-11673 .
They are the same exact camera inside .
The dfference between them consists in the user interface on the back board and in size.
The LN320 is housed in a much larger enclosure . The LN300 is as small as it gets.
Functionality is identical, with the exception of the LN320 having a RS485 interface and stripped wire terminal block for power and RS485, while the smaller LN300 uses a 2.1mm jack for power and has NO RS485 .
A couple of side notes:
- both cameras come with the icx810/811 CCD sensor instead of the icx672/673 suggested by their name . The specification is sketchy and doesn't mention this .
-both vendors from your links are reliable , choose whichever lists the free shipping or lowest price.
You will get the same product and same delivery times from both . BTW, both vendors carry both cameras .
You can opt to have the camera shipped without the IR-cut filter installed, in which case it will take a little longer because it would be non-stock ,made to order.
How do I know the above ? I bought from both vendors and I bought both camera types.

Edited by mattflastro (01/27/13 12:17 PM)


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Re: LNtech 300 shrink down & wired remote control new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5647043 - 01/27/13 10:05 PM

Many Thanks. Excellent.

Cheers,

Alistair G.


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