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mattflastro
Vendor - Astrovideo Systems


Reged: 07/31/09

Loc: Brevard County , FL
Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 !
      #5625217 - 01/15/13 09:20 PM

I'd like to hear from people owning this Mallincam wireless controller pictured here on the Mallincam website:

http://mallincam.tripod.com/id54.html

and which is sold by Mallincam for $249.95 .

I'm curious to what extent is it identical to this $70 Wireless controller which has the same part number TW-282/E3 as the Mallincam , looks identical and I've seen it sold on A-mart and other places second hand as Mallincam wireless controller , even the box is the same with the part number printed on it :

http://www.amazon.com/TW-282-E3-Wireless-Control-Samsung/dp/B004DRIFSK/ref=pd...

The cable that connects the remote to the camera is included in the $70 price but a separate one can be bought for around $9 . The only modification I could see is the connector at the camera end was replaced with a standard DC controlled iris lens connector ( just a 4 pin connector ).
If this is the Mallincam remote , the savings would be substantial buying it for $60-70 instead of $250 .

Edited by mattflastro (01/16/13 09:38 PM)


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mattflastro
Vendor - Astrovideo Systems


Reged: 07/31/09

Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5627071 - 01/16/13 09:43 PM

Quote:

I'd like to hear from people owning this Mallincam wireless controller pictured here on the Mallincam website:

http://mallincam.tripod.com/id54.html

and which is sold by Mallincam for $249.95 .

I'm curious to what extent is it identical to this $70 Wireless controller which has the same part number TW-282/E3 as the Mallincam , looks identical and I've seen it sold on A-mart and other places second hand as Mallincam wireless controller , even the box is the same with the part number printed on it :

http://www.amazon.com/TW-282-E3-Wireless-Control-Samsung/dp/B004DRIFSK/ref=pd...

The cable that connects the remote to the camera is included in the $70 price but a separate one can be bought for around $9 . The only modification I could see is the connector at the camera end was replaced with a standard DC controlled iris lens connector ( just a 4 pin connector ).
If this is the Mallincam remote , the savings would be substantial buying it for $60-70 instead of $250 .




After doing some more research I found confirmation that the Mallincam Wireless controller sold for $250 is actually the Pixel TW-282 unit which sells everyhere else for under $70 with free shipping.
The confirmation is on the Mallincamusa.com website and shows the actual wireless controller photo, with part number and manufacturer clearly visible :

http://mallincamusa.com/images/WEC%20RX-TX.jpg

Hope this info might save someone some money .


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5627095 - 01/16/13 09:56 PM

Good find Matt Thanks for making the hobby a bit cheaper!

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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: Raginar]
      #5627689 - 01/17/13 09:28 AM

So is the correct cable available or the correct pinouts to cobble one?

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mattflastro
Vendor - Astrovideo Systems


Reged: 07/31/09

Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: Stew57]
      #5627881 - 01/17/13 11:26 AM

Quote:

So is the correct cable available or the correct pinouts to cobble one?



Getting the correct cable is easy , only involves buying a $9 cable adapter and soldering the DC iris connector .

I don't know yet the pinout but the hardest it could be is to identify up to 4 pins , because that's the number of contacts in that DC iris connector .
That's why I was asking for response from anyone who owns a Mallincam .
However, it appears they are all of the opinion that if they overpaid, everybody should overpay or are afraid of repercussions from their vendors.

But all hope is not lost because there are some local guys in my club with Mallincams and I will persuade one of them to let me find the pinout when we meet next time .


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wolfman_4_ever
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Reged: 07/15/11

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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5628565 - 01/17/13 05:59 PM

This was from the mallincam yahoo group:

You did get your Pixel wireless shutter controller from Rock/Jack didn't
you? You can't use a stock Pixel on the MCX. Rock has Pixel modify the
receivers for the MCX. Even if you find and use the correct cable --
the stock receiver won't work. You have to buy it from Rock/Jack.


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wolfman_4_ever
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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5628582 - 01/17/13 06:06 PM

From Rock about using a different wireless device:

Hi No name, (please sign your name when posting)

Pixel has made our unit for the MallinCam based on our specification especially
in the receiver. They do not have any MallinCam cables on their website.

Why do you need a spare cable? They are very very durable. You will need 4 pin
configuration made for the MallinCam. Internals of the receiver is also been
adapted for our cameras hence why they are expensive. Do not attempt to use any
other receivers from Pixel otherwise damage will occur to the camera.

If you need a cable, contact us at:
mallincam@...

Rock M.


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mattflastro
Vendor - Astrovideo Systems


Reged: 07/31/09

Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5628957 - 01/17/13 09:54 PM

Quote:

From Rock about using a different wireless device:

Hi No name, (please sign your name when posting)

Pixel has made our unit for the MallinCam based on our specification especially
in the receiver. They do not have any MallinCam cables on their website.

Why do you need a spare cable? They are very very durable. You will need 4 pin
configuration made for the MallinCam. Internals of the receiver is also been
adapted for our cameras hence why they are expensive. Do not attempt to use any
other receivers from Pixel otherwise damage will occur to the camera.

If you need a cable, contact us at:
mallincam@...

Rock M.




We shall see . I am now really interested . I don't particularly enjoy FUD tactics.


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mattflastro
Vendor - Astrovideo Systems


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Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5629015 - 01/17/13 10:29 PM

Quote:

This was from the mallincam yahoo group:

You did get your Pixel wireless shutter controller from Rock/Jack didn't
you? You can't use a stock Pixel on the MCX. Rock has Pixel modify the
receivers for the MCX. Even if you find and use the correct cable --
the stock receiver won't work. You have to buy it from Rock/Jack.



I saw the internals of that Pixel receiver . There's no room insde it for a big enough gold nugget to justify the extra $180
Also, the transmitter is FCC approved as a single model, no variations , by Pixel . Whatever modification was done (if any) is some simple stuff in the receiver output or connector . This looks more and more like a good business opportunity , replacement remotes and cables . Not to mention those $100 fans that sell anywhere else for $4 or those $100 aluminum brackets .


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5629272 - 01/18/13 02:23 AM

Welcome to the world of Mallincam

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Jack Huerkamp
Vendor - Waning Moon


Reged: 10/13/05

Loc: Louisiana
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5629404 - 01/18/13 06:47 AM

Looks can be deceiving. Rock had the units he sell produced especially for the MallinCam. The price is high as the volume produced was low. Here is what he said on the issue:

"The voltage pulse is not the same. They will damage the camera eventually. Pulse required is very low voltage and polarized. Standard PIXEL unit is not and use a universal type voltage for Canon, and other consumer type camera. It may work for a while but will eventually make the camera internal Hyper circuit fail."

Caveat emptor!

Jack Huerkamp

Edited by Jack Huerkamp (01/18/13 08:23 AM)


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mattflastro
Vendor - Astrovideo Systems


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Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: Jack Huerkamp]
      #5629420 - 01/18/13 07:12 AM

Quote:

Looks can be deveiving. Rock had the units he sell produced especially for the MallinCam. The price is high as the volume produced was low. Here is what he said on the issue:

"The voltage pulse is not the same. They will damage the camera eventually. Pulse required is very low voltage and polarized. Standard PIXEL unit is not and use a universal type voltage for Canon, and other consumer type camera. It may work for a while but will eventually make the camera internal Hyper circuit fail."

Caveat emptor!

Jack Huerkamp




Thanks for the reply.
So there might need to be a resistor divider placed in the $9 cable to lower the pulse amplitude or a diode to "polarize" the pulse

Real small production volume prices in the continental US, not China (where this Pixel unit seems to be hand crafted one at a time) are under $1 for such a modification .


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Jack Huerkamp
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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5629465 - 01/18/13 08:22 AM

Damage to the MallinCam Xtreme or Xtreme X2 caused by not using the wireless exposure controller unit sold by Rock Mallin is NOT covered by the warranty!

Jack Huerkamp


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Jack Huerkamp
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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5629471 - 01/18/13 08:29 AM

Lots of time and effort went into picking the right fans to provide the proper volume of air without introducing vibration to the camera. There are cheaper fan units available for cooling electronic components. The ones used by Rock cost significantly more than $4 each. In addition unless one has an equipped machine shop already, getting a shop to drill, route and tap aluminum plate in small quantities and then have the plates anodized is not cheap.

Jack Huerkamp


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mattflastro
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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: Jack Huerkamp]
      #5629523 - 01/18/13 09:10 AM

Quote:

Lots of time and effort went into picking the right fans to provide the proper volume of air without introducing vibration to the camera. There are cheaper fan units available for cooling electronic components. The ones used by Rock cost significantly more than $4 each. In addition unless one has an equipped machine shop already, getting a shop to drill, route and tap aluminum plate in small quantities and then have the plates anodized is not cheap.

Jack Huerkamp



Good to hear that.
Then consider this:
Sunon Maglev fans in the 40-80mm sizes are the best in the world.
Vibration free due to brushless motors, magnetic levitation vapo-bearings and sell all day in the $4 range retail at all major electronics distributors, including Digikey , Mouser, Arrow etc.
Maglev 40mm series ME40101V , 50mm ME50101V , 80mm ME80251 all sell for less than $4.50 in single piece qty at Digikey.
If you need help sourcing the best vibration free fans for less than $60 please let me know.


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Lorence
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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5630094 - 01/18/13 03:14 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Lots of time and effort went into picking the right fans to provide the proper volume of air without introducing vibration to the camera. There are cheaper fan units available for cooling electronic components. The ones used by Rock cost significantly more than $4 each. In addition unless one has an equipped machine shop already, getting a shop to drill, route and tap aluminum plate in small quantities and then have the plates anodized is not cheap.

Jack Huerkamp



Good to hear that.
Then consider this:
Sunon Maglev fans in the 40-80mm sizes are the best in the world.
Vibration free due to brushless motors, magnetic levitation vapo-bearings and sell all day in the $4 range retail at all major electronics distributors, including Digikey , Mouser, Arrow etc.
Maglev 40mm series ME40101V , 50mm ME50101V , 80mm ME80251 all sell for less than $4.50 in single piece qty at Digikey.
If you need help sourcing the best vibration free fans for less than $60 please let me know.




You may not agree with Mallincam's pricing policy but that's how the company makes enough revenue to be able to provide one of the best warranties and upgrade policies to be found anywhere. The revenue also pays for the research that pays for the development of new cameras and accessories.

Send your camera back to Digikey for repair or upgrade. Think they will do it cheaper than Rock will.

We support Rock and Rock supports us. You do what you have to do to hang on to every penny you can.

I'll gladly pay what ever it costs to keep Rock in business and happy. I've spent well over $7,000 on Mallincam equipment over the last few years and am looking forward to spending a lot more in the future. In the long run you get what you pay for and in the end, you get what you deserve.

I have yet to hear anyone crying about Mallincam's warranty. Until now I never expected to but I am really looking forward to hearing some now.

Lorence


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: Lorence]
      #5630228 - 01/18/13 04:33 PM

looks like you can build same quality camera for a lot less, you should go into buisness and produce your own line then

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mattflastro
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Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: Lorence]
      #5630241 - 01/18/13 04:41 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Lots of time and effort went into picking the right fans to provide the proper volume of air without introducing vibration to the camera. There are cheaper fan units available for cooling electronic components. The ones used by Rock cost significantly more than $4 each. In addition unless one has an equipped machine shop already, getting a shop to drill, route and tap aluminum plate in small quantities and then have the plates anodized is not cheap.

Jack Huerkamp



Good to hear that.
Then consider this:
Sunon Maglev fans in the 40-80mm sizes are the best in the world.
Vibration free due to brushless motors, magnetic levitation vapo-bearings and sell all day in the $4 range retail at all major electronics distributors, including Digikey , Mouser, Arrow etc.
Maglev 40mm series ME40101V , 50mm ME50101V , 80mm ME80251 all sell for less than $4.50 in single piece qty at Digikey.
If you need help sourcing the best vibration free fans for less than $60 please let me know.




You do what you have to do to hang on to every penny you can.
In the long run you get what you pay for and in the end, you get what you deserve.

Lorence



Lorence, that's wise, "in the long run you get what you pay for and in the end , you get what you deserve ." Really! In that case I have a Brooklyn Bridge for you for only triple what it's worth !


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mattflastro
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Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: dragonslayer1]
      #5630261 - 01/18/13 05:03 PM

Quote:

looks like you can build same quality camera for a lot less, you should go into buisness and produce your own line then




Sounds like a plan .


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wolfman_4_ever
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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5630270 - 01/18/13 05:14 PM

For all my Open Source Friends.

Wireless Control pinout for the Pixel Wireless Controller and 4pin auto iris control cable:

4 pin auto iris cable has 4 wires. Black, Red, White, yellow.

Pixel cable is 3 wire Blue, Red, Green.

4pin to Pixel Cable Pinout:

Black not used.
Red to Blue
White to Red
Yellow to Green.

Works without issue. Have fun!


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! *DELETED* new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5630386 - 01/18/13 06:45 PM

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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5630507 - 01/18/13 07:59 PM

Matt,

I thank you for sharing the precious info in this public (i.e., non-vendor specific) forum.

Clear Skies!

ccs_hello


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mattflastro
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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: barbarosa]
      #5630519 - 01/18/13 08:08 PM

Quote:

I suspect that a Malincam or similar camera is lurking in the budget projection, so this thread is interesting to me.

When someone finds and shares an alternative for an accessory or parts, we should thank them. I for one do not blush to have a $12 DIY accessory on a $2800 scope.

However, I do not think that this should lead to criticism of any vendor's pricing. Nor is there a need for the vendor or manufacturer justify the retail price. There is no such thing as a fair price, Rock offers the item, and we buy it or not. The market sets the price.

A small business, particularly one that sells only small quantities, does not have much latitude in setting wholesale/retail prices. Rock has to recover his total costs and a profit to remain in business. How he allocates those costs is up to him. If Rock makes 1000 cameras and sells 1000 cables, he can reasonably just divide his total cost by 2000 to get a unit cost. Sure, he will take a loss on each camera and make an exorbitant profit on each cable, but the market will determine how that works.

Even large businesses sometimes want a disparate profit from accessories and optional items. Think ink jet refills.

In the instant case I think it would be challenge for someone to buy, market, ship, ensure compatibility, offer a warranty, etc. on something like these remotes as other than a hobby business.



I was not kidding. The Sunon Maglev fans are really the best and they are really used in a lot of peoples' scopes for vibration free operation . I only stated their RETAIL price . And yes, if they go bad, there is warranty on them in that price and yes, you can return them to the disctributor . I didn't think learning about more options would be such a bad thing .


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wolfman_4_ever
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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5630537 - 01/18/13 08:21 PM

Are you talking about the Sunon KDE1205PFVX fan on the heat dissipater?

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mattflastro
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Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5630555 - 01/18/13 08:38 PM

Quote:

Are you talking about the Sunon KDE1205PFVX fan on the heat dissipater?




Yes, apparently people lived under the impression that these are much more expensive than the $4.50 range I had quoted . Other people didn't know Sunon Maglev existed . They're good for scope thermal equalization too .


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5630594 - 01/18/13 09:09 PM

There are many innovative and talented DIY'ers in this hobby. I don't have the time nor patience to worry about how to splice a cable or attach some $4.50 fan assembly. So I pay retail. It is what it is. Kudos to you if you can figure out how to save $200 that's nice. Astronomy is a fun hobby and there are certainly many zealous and passionate aficionados on CN. I sometimes buy used equipment and feel proud that I could get a functional product for half the cost of new. That's great as we can save some $ but there is a cost in not supporting those small businesses that are innovative and leading in their respective field. Ultimately if mallincam cannot make a profit he will cease innovating. In a mature and large industry there are many new entrants all,the time, but in a highly specialized field like this that is not true. So I support mallincam because first and foremost he has an excellent product. But I also respect the fact that he and his us distributor Jack need to make a profit to stay in business. So I pay full retail. I get a high quality product, it makes me very happy and I obtain emotional zeitgeist from knowing I am supporting a product that could be critical in getting so many other part time amateurs more hooked and dedicated to astronomy...

I can buy $50 tickets to sit up in the rafters to watch the Knicks play basketball or I can spend $500 to sit near the floor. Why pay anything at all as you can watch the games in HD at home. So many ways to save money... It's important. But heck we choose when to over pay and when to get a bargain. I don't shop at Costco, I don't care about coupons and I don't regret paying full price for my mallincam products. Sorry, but I don't care to crimp,cables or figure out wiring diagrams. And I prefer to sit near the floor when I see basketball games.

Al


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mattflastro
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Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: A. Viegas]
      #5630601 - 01/18/13 09:15 PM

Quote:

There are many innovative and talented DIY'ers in this hobby. I don't have the time nor patience to worry about how to splice a cable or attach some $4.50 fan assembly. So I pay retail. It is what it is. Kudos to you if you can figure out how to save $200 that's nice. Astronomy is a fun hobby and there are certainly many zealous and passionate aficionados on CN. I sometimes buy used equipment and feel proud that I could get a functional product for half the cost of new. That's great as we can save some $ but there is a cost in not supporting those small businesses that are innovative and leading in their respective field. Ultimately if mallincam cannot make a profit he will cease innovating. In a mature and large industry there are many new entrants all,the time, but in a highly specialized field like this that is not true. So I support mallincam because first and foremost he has an excellent product. But I also respect the fact that he and his us distributor Jack need to make a profit to stay in business. So I pay full retail. I get a high quality product, it makes me very happy and I obtain emotional zeitgeist from knowing I am supporting a product that could be critical in getting so many other part time amateurs more hooked and dedicated to astronomy...

I can buy $50 tickets to sit up in the rafters to watch the Knicks play basketball or I can spend $500 to sit near the floor. Why pay anything at all as you can watch the games in HD at home. So many ways to save money... It's important. But heck we choose when to over pay and when to get a bargain. I don't shop at Costco, I don't care about coupons and I don't regret paying full price for my mallincam products. Sorry, but I don't care to crimp,cables or figure out wiring diagrams. And I prefer to sit near the floor when I see basketball games.

Al



Good to know that if I ever get into the video astro cam business making my own line of cameras there are so many nice people out there ready to pay full retail and support me . I am actually more and more tempted to do this . It might be a compulsion due to the fact that I've been designing and producing electronics for a living since longer than I care to remember.


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5631266 - 01/19/13 10:22 AM

Folks,

May I suggest viewing this thread as a technical suggestion and leave the vendor specific out of it and avoid debate on it?

We have different users in the forum and getting these two mixed up is not a good sign.

As I said, a well educated consumer gains more.

Clear Skies!

ccs_hello


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5631759 - 01/19/13 03:28 PM

An oscilloscope would show if the signals are the same. One would have to have both versions and a scope though

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mattflastro
Vendor - Astrovideo Systems


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Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: Stew57]
      #5632267 - 01/19/13 09:48 PM

Quote:

An ociliscope would show if the signals are the same. One would have to have both versions and a scope though



Or have a Mallincam and see what's inside (the circuitry connected to the DC iris connector).


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5633303 - 01/20/13 02:09 PM

Quote:

I am actually more and more tempted to do this . It might be a compulsion due to the fact that I've been designing and producing electronics for a living since longer than I care to remember.




If that's the case why didn't you just do it? If you are as competent as you would have us believe, you would have it done by now.

I haven't been designing and producing electronics for a living since longer than I care to remember but I managed to put together my observatory with less discussion than what has taken place in this thread. Walk the walk or talk the talk.


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5633344 - 01/20/13 02:35 PM

Dear mattflastro and others,

I would like to correct a few issues with you statements if you don't mind. That way, no misinformation gets lost in cyber world.

First, I rarely post here and rarely read here for reason you just created. Our Wireless Shutter System was made to our strict specification by Pixel. It needed several updates custom made by them based on our own schematic diagram in the receiver part

Some of the reasons are as followed:

- Digital pulse required to activate the Hyper circuit inside the MallinCam Xtreme.
- Polarization of input
- shielded internal to keep digital noise down
- Harmonic suppression caused by digital interface
- Cold temperature operation down to -30C and up to 45+C.
- FCC Approval in the US had to be modified by Pixel due to change in digital pulse interference. Cost alone was 7500.00
- IC Approval (Industry Canada) in Canada Cost to do this alone was a little 10,000.00
- European Telecommunications approval certificate. Cost 8500.00
- Upgadability is possible with our model.
- We choose not to have the MallinCam brand on it to avoid more Canadian taxes applied to the unit entering in Canada.

Not sure what you met by FUD in one of you post. Can you please explain?

Now about our Heat dissipator. It cost well over 12,000 to get a proflow company to evaluate the right angle, right aluminum, thickness and especially fans. Our fan certainly don't cost 4.00 a piece. They cost us at the shop 17.00 each fan and are high flow with zero vibration. Plus a employee to assemble them at 20.00 an hour with plugs and connector solder and hardware screws nuts washers etc. A big concern of mine was vibration while delivering adequate flow to the so called "bend aluminum" as you described. We got them custom made to our HDX2-F unit. They are custom made not bought on line to some cheap Chinese over stock warehouse. Let me assure you that this bent aluminum is far more than just a bent aluminum. The type of aluminum used carry the correct amount of heat under any outdoor temperature. The amount of engineering it took to the the right results was staggering to say the least. They are CNC made locally in Ottawa Ontario Canada by my designed. It took nearly a year to design until the correct flow, cooling was achieved. The machine shop doing these unit for us charge a lot for a reason: QUALITY and PERFECTION in material required to do high end HDX2 unit. Anodizing is expensive in Canada the thickness change the specification of the HDX2 unit so a right amount of precision anodizing was used. All of this cost and cost a lot unfortunately. You want the best, get the best. I will not cut corners on our products ever!

Some have tried to make a HDX2 type by themselves only to find out it has cost them a lot more by the end and still could not produce the flow and cooling required for the MallinCam Xtreme.

I sincerely hope this put the subject at rest. If anyone have questions, please send me a direct e mail at mallincam @ gmail . com and get the truth and accurate information fro me. I answer the phone, I answer all e mails.

Sincerely Yours,
Rock Mallin (astronomer)
Principal designer
President and Owner of
ProCom Electronics
Ottawa Ontario Canada


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5633405 - 01/20/13 03:06 PM





Or have a Mallincam and see what's inside (the circuitry connected to the DC iris connector).




mattflastro,

If you claim to be a tech, why do you need to open a MallinCam to copy it? There are copy rights on the circuits design and patents as well in place.

Now that I read a little more your posts, it seems you do not own a MallinCam. So much for you being original.
I'm out of here. Back on the MallinCam Yahoo groups.

Rock Mallin
MALLINCAM
Ottawa Canada


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mallin]
      #5633769 - 01/20/13 06:52 PM

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Dear mattflastro and others,

I would like to correct a few issues with you statements if you don't mind. That way, no misinformation gets lost in cyber world.

- FCC Approval in the US had to be modified by Pixel due to change in digital pulse interference. Cost alone was 7500.00





I now have to correct the misinformation in your own statement if you don't mind.I hope you are not spreading it intentionally , because as you said, misinformation doesn't get lost in cyberworld.

- Pixel only has the original unmodified FCC authorization for your remote .
An FCC search shows they obtained no authorization for any modification .
For anyone who is curious to search and see for themselves, this is the FCC authorization search web page:

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

The only FCC ID ever obtained by Pixel or Procom for the remote you are selling is X5SWTCTW-282TX .

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&am...

All documents were submitted to the FCC on 1/11/2011 with no further alterations or modifications .
The usual cover letters, internal and external photos , test report, user manual were submitted.
When changes are made , there is a second or mdoified test report ,plus additional correspondence .
None of these exists for the pixel remote , sorry .
I hope you are not selling to unsuspecting customers illegaly modified remotes because then unfortunately not only you are liable but the users too .


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mallin]
      #5633792 - 01/20/13 07:03 PM

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Dear mattflastro and others,

I would like to correct a few issues with you statements if you don't mind. That way, no misinformation gets lost in cyber world.


Our fan certainly don't cost 4.00 a piece. They cost us at the shop 17.00 each fan and are high flow with zero vibration.




If you pay $17 /ea for that fan, your electronics distributor is ripping you off .
You owe it to your customers whom you care about so much to buy the same fan from a more reputable and honest distributor.
I am willing to help you so here's a link to a well known distributor for your exact Sunon heat dissipator fan :

http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?lang=en&vendor=0&WT...

The price is $3 to $5 dependng if you buy one or more qty NOT $17 , so you would save $12 per fan or $24 per unit .


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mallin]
      #5633841 - 01/20/13 07:46 PM

Quote:




mattflastro,

If you claim to be a tech, why do you need to open a MallinCam to copy it? There are copy rights on the circuits design and patents as well in place.


Rock Mallin
MALLINCAM
Ottawa Canada




A search on the USPTO (that's the US Patent and Trademarks Office ) revealed a total number of 0 = ZERO patents for you or your cameras .
But please correct me because I'm hoping to be wrong so please post your US patent numbers if you truly are holding any patents for anything in those cameras .
Incidentally, I do not intend to copy anything in your cameras or to deliberately use your Chinese suppliers , Mintron, Wakayama , Tucsen , GSO , Pixel etc.


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: Lorence]
      #5633856 - 01/20/13 07:54 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I am actually more and more tempted to do this . It might be a compulsion due to the fact that I've been designing and producing electronics for a living since longer than I care to remember.




If that's the case why didn't you just do it? If you are as competent as you would have us believe, you would have it done by now.

I haven't been designing and producing electronics for a living since longer than I care to remember but I managed to put together my observatory with less discussion than what has taken place in this thread. Walk the walk or talk the talk.



Well, I hope you agree it's not too late to do it now, is it ?


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5634322 - 01/21/13 03:02 AM

There is 0, FCC, IC or European trademarks in place. There is 0 mallincam trademarks in place.

2 thumbs up for trying to pull the wool over our eyes..

2 Thumbs up for trying to make any money any way you can! Especially in this day and age.


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5634591 - 01/21/13 09:46 AM

What the heck is going on here?

Rock Mallin is a great guy, he has responded here with extreme patience and restraint.

And he's Canadian in case you didn't notice, maybe he doesn't care about US Patents?


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: johnnyha]
      #5635064 - 01/21/13 02:17 PM

The man took His money, His time, His risks and built a company with a very loyal customer group who all seem to like quite and respect Him very much. People buy his product and they like it very well and come back for more, thats free market capitalism at work. Seeing how he took all the risk, produced a product that people like, and seems to be well liked and respected,, hey I hope he makes lots of money

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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: dragonslayer1]
      #5635353 - 01/21/13 05:01 PM

Quote:

The man took His money, His time, His risks and built a company with a very loyal customer group who all seem to like quite and respect Him very much. People buy his product and they like it very well and come back for more, thats free market capitalism at work. Seeing how he took all the risk, produced a product that people like, and seems to be well liked and respected,, hey I hope he makes lots of money



In what way is this answer related to the suggestion I made for Mallincam to show the patent numbers ?
Or to buy the same exact fans (same part number) from a better distributor and save money for him and his customers ?


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5635451 - 01/21/13 05:58 PM

Absolutely is not related to that, was just my two cents. You should just call or email mallincam with your suggestions and he may hire you on as a buyer or something or consultant. Someone may take your thread and beat you to the punch.

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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5635466 - 01/21/13 06:06 PM

The benefit for public forum discussions is that individual viewer can render his own opinion, so long as the information laid out are facts.

Market-driven economy (or some form of capitalism and globalization) gives (well educated) consumers the benefit. Others just pay the tuition to be more wise.

This is not to say vendors/dealers/manufacturers should be non-profit operations. On the other hand, there are many counter-examples such as camera shop sells many second-rate accessories, car dealers use service to make the profit, inkjet printer (essentially give away printers to sell) cartridges, etc. There ought to be a balanced point. You don't want to kill the hen but you don't want to buy eggs at astronomical (pun intended) price.

Enough said. Can we move on?

Clear Skies!

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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5635895 - 01/21/13 10:56 PM

I have a Pixel TW-282/DC0 for a Nikon camera. If I only needed a cable that would be safe and compatible I would be a happy camper. I really don't have a need for one but for the price of a cable I would use it at times. I have a pc with me all the time so it is not vital to have the remote.

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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: Stew57]
      #5636141 - 01/22/13 02:20 AM

mattflastro, thanks for bring up the questions and providing the links ... and you can see that this sub-forum is quite different from the rest of CN

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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: core]
      #5636242 - 01/22/13 05:11 AM

I don't know anything about FCC's submissions or patents, but Rock specifically stated that he had both. So it's reasonable for Matt to ask about them, especially since they were cited as factors contributing to the high cost.

I don't know about you all, but when a question is asked, and the answer given does not appear to check out, I like to have things clarified.


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5636781 - 01/22/13 12:21 PM

Dear Matt,

Let me reassure how misinformed your are. I own other successful companies which we are involved in RF radio telecommunications. How can you possibly think patents and other copyright materials would be under one name? You have jumped to conclusion here.

I have designed several circuits for large firms in professional radio communication years ago (still do), my original trade is RF designer /technologist, where I own several patents on them including copyrights. I am not about to tell you nor I have to disclose any information to you nor I have to justify myself to you or anyone else about my practice of patents copyright or other forms of registrations and circuits for that matter. In fact, if you carefully look further into it, I mean get real info not from the internet, any devices that is "handcrafted" falls into different laws due to their "experimental" status and not into definitive company manufacturing. The country I live in is not the same as yours obviously.

About fans.... Well, You publicly admit here that you would offer people in getting inferior components and bad design in your statement. If you want to make a cooler with $4.00 fans go right ahead. You obviously do not care in what people needs as far as quality and well designed items not to mention lack of capacity to think how much research is needed into air flow and cooling among other things. We got our fans custom made by a firm where high flow, thin design, lightweight, durability, AND vibration free AND OUTDOOR USE were an important issues in our design. We only offer the finest in material and research and development into our product. A industry standard I have been practicing since 1985.

Customers deserve the best materials, design and and that is what we do for them. I am not about to let them down by offering cheaper fans, cheaper material and poor craftsmanship to them like you suggest, never. If this is your practice, I am no surprise at all.

Matt, I do not come here often for the exact reason of your posts. You make others suffer by reading you post and material and create doubts for no reason at all. This is a astronomy site. Please, respect it as a astronomy discussion site. Promote astronomy instead of knocking down others. If you claim you would use cheap inferior components such as cheap fans, please keep others out of your feud you have against me. Don't let others suffer on your account. You have disrespected everyone else in this forum by posting such accusation and creating unnecessary posts with misinformation.

Please show a little bit of respect to others in the name of astronomy and astronomer worldwide.

Sincerly,
Rock Mallin
MallinCam
Canada.

PS: This is my last post to you and I will not come back to read your reply. I have better things to do. Enjoy Astronomy!










A search on the USPTO (that's the US Patent and Trademarks Office ) revealed a total number of 0 = ZERO patents for you or your cameras .
But please correct me because I'm hoping to be wrong so please post your US patent numbers if you truly are holding any patents for anything in those cameras .
Incidentally, I do not intend to copy anything in your cameras or to deliberately use your Chinese suppliers , Mintron, Wakayama , Tucsen , GSO , Pixel etc.




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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mallin]
      #5636848 - 01/22/13 12:53 PM

Quote:

Dear Matt,

Let me reassure how misinformed your are.




Dear Rock,

You claimed you hold patents for the Mallincam circuits.
I found none and asked you for the patent numbers.
You reply with insults and obfuscation.
Why not do the simple and common sense thing of revealing your patent numbers for the cameras , instead of the above ?
Of course you don't HAVE to but since you talked so much about them it would be common sense to follow thru .

Regarding your fans, do you claim here that you are NOT using the Sunon Maglev fans from my link ? Or are you going to avoid this answer the same as the patents one.

I posted no link to cheap inferior fans whatsoever and the amount of obfuscation and blatant lies and misinformation you are spreading is astounding.
Every link I posted and statement I made is verifiable true .
Try to accuse me of slander , PLEASE.

And lastly, I have no feud against you, why would I ?
I was just looking into a video purchase and your stuff was the most hyped so it was a natural first choice.
Not for me anymore, after the way you are treating my simple questions in this public forum . You talk about respect while you are trying to intimidate and bully .
I do not want to become your customer and be told by you "why do you need to buy a spare cable" or overbilled for replacing your Sunon Maglev fan ,or who knows what else I find if I delve deeper into your cameras. Luckily this won't happen because I'm not going to ever buy one .
I am grateful to you for having such a short fuse though and helping me avoid being your customer .

Gratefully Yours.


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5636925 - 01/22/13 01:35 PM

You have this all wrong, Matt

Your posts are sickening
Rock has personally supplied me free of charge with upgraded cameras...i was willing to pay hundreds of dollars but he refused...
He is the real, genuine deal and his cameras are used worldwide...the BBC recently used an Xtreme and a Signature to show live views over 3 nights of prime time television in their annual Star Gazing Live shows. The operator of these cameras was a famous BBC camera man who wrote a rave review about Mallincams in January's Sky At Night Magazine.....Europe's largest circulation astro mag.

A few hours spent on NSN viewing live broadcasts will show immediately the difference in quality between Rock's cameras and other astro video cameras....it's a Ferrari playing with a Ford.

I am pleased you are not buying a Mallincam.
If you did there would no doubt be more of your unnecessary poison on other related forums.

Your loss, mate

Have fun with your el cheapo Samsung


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: HowardK]
      #5636974 - 01/22/13 02:03 PM



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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: HowardK]
      #5636992 - 01/22/13 02:10 PM

Quote:

You have this all wrong, Matt

Your posts are sickening
Rock has personally supplied me free of charge with upgraded cameras...i was willing to pay hundreds of dollars but he refused...
He is the real, genuine deal and his cameras are used worldwide...the BBC recently used an Xtreme and a Signature to show live views over 3 nights of prime time television in their annual Star Gazing Live shows. The operator of these cameras was a famous BBC camera man who wrote a rave review about Mallincams in January's Sky At Night Magazine.....Europe's largest circulation astro mag.

A few hours spent on NSN viewing live broadcasts will show immediately the difference in quality between Rock's cameras and other astro video cameras....it's a Ferrari playing with a Ford.

I am pleased you are not buying a Mallincam.
If you did there would no doubt be more of your unnecessary poison on other related forums.

Your loss, mate

Have fun with your el cheapo Samsung




I know not of the poison you are speaking about .
I only asked about a wireless remote, a fan part number and a patent number.
Mortal sins in the minds of some , perhaps.
Also don't see what holding a patent or not, or false advertising has to do with the usage of the cameras. They can be good or bad irrespective of the maker holding or not a patent or bragging or bullying people.
Last but not least, try to not show this elitist attitude that owning an Mcam might give you the right to despise people playing with lowly cheap Sammys (that would be almost like camera racial discrimination)
Those people might not even own or "have fun" with the dirty cheap Samsung , you actually have no way of knowing .
I'll live with my loss and thanks for your blessings .


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5637268 - 01/22/13 04:20 PM

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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5637315 - 01/22/13 04:43 PM

Hi Matt,

Patent on the Hyper circuit; you don't even know under which name it is. Do yourself a favor, go back and read my last post. Everything is explained crystal clear. I replied to you because you brought forth accusation. I replied with answers to you in which, frankly are not your business but I still give you my answer. Go read back my reply to you. It is explained.

I am not replying with insult to you but merely answering back with what you said and acused me with, you have said these things. Not me!! You are twisting things around or simply do not comprehend the meaning of my reply. Emails are the worst way to communicate.

About the fans again... What is it I do not make myself clear? I have replied to you on this subject. Beside, you never answered me back on the meaning of FUD. I still don't understand the meaning. Please explain and you did not. So, you're the one who is not replying back correctly. You are attempting to twist things around here not me.

Based on what you said in your reply, I do not have anything against you. You are the one who started it all, not me. I never come here unless a situation calls for. In this case, you created the situation by accusing me of being "expensive", and the way I took your messages is you claim I am "ripping people off". Frankly, I don't care for money. My goal is for the advancement of astronomy and help people into it nothing else. I have said it many times publicly on other lists including this one which you obviously failed to read.

Matt, I have nothing against you. My business is my business. I have business ethics. Your reply do not conform to proper ethics. Keep in mind that you are the one who has started it all, not me. I have answered all your questions to you on this list.

If you need to talk to me, please do so by calling me in person at work. I'll gladly talk to you over the phone so no misunderstanding exist.

Now, What about FUD??? What is that? You accused me of FUD.

Peace.
Rock Mallin

PS: At least i sign my full name. Anything to hide? Can we please get back to astronomy, p l e a s e ! ! !


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mallin]
      #5637588 - 01/22/13 07:24 PM

Enough already Matt. If you want to modify a stock controller for yourself go ahead and do it for yourself. You've had your say now move on. If you want to investigate patents, copyrights etc. go ahead. Leave the rest of us out of it.
I do a bunch of DIY stuff for myself. Some of the time I'd just rather spend my time working and using some of the money to just buy stuff. Others can't do the DIY thing and could care less about it.
As far as what something is worth, it's whatever someone is willing to pay for it. Mr. Mallin has a very good reputation with his customers. If you think his pricing is unfair, you are free to shop around, do it yourself, whatever. Just quit *BLEEP* about it here and do it.
Perhaps the time you spend ranting on this could be put to better use. Maybe modify a controller...


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: plav1959]
      #5638373 - 01/23/13 08:06 AM

And we are done with this thread. Please note that if you have issues with a vendor, take it up with the vendor directly and not here in this forum. I invite polite and civilized discussion about a product, even disagreement about a product, but vendor bashing is not tolerated here or anywhere on Cloudy Nights.

Thanks.. time to move along.

Jason


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