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It's not my normal style to create a gallery of my work, but several people have asked, so here are some images of some of the telescopes I've put together over the years.
I won't include a lot of detail on any of them, but if you have questions, please ask.
If anyone can get some ideas of things to do (or not do) from these examples, so much the better.
Edited by Don W (09/12/09 10:08 PM)
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4.5" f/15 Refractor
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Another view ...
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And another ...
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And a final ...
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4.1" f/4.2 RFT
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And another mounted on a small Dob mount ...
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10" f/5 Dobsonian
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Another, showing curved secondary support/light shield ...
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Encoder side ...
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Other side ...
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8" f/4.3 "Alice"
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Alice ready to travel ...
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6" f/6.8 Dobsonian
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Same, with front cover and integrated solar filter (automatically covers the finder) ...
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10" f/5.6 (one of six I made) ...
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8" f/5 "Brutus"
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17.5" f/4.4 (1980s)
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Restored 2.4" Merz Refractor
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Fauth 4" f/15 I restored
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There are certainly others, but that should provide a pretty good sampling. (Note that I seem to cut circular holes in most of my scopes. Go figure.)
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Thanks for sharing the photos Ron. Your work has certainly been an inspiration to me.
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So how's Perth doing? I've never been on the West Coast of Oz, but have spent multiple wonderful times with fellow amateurs around Alice Springs and the Sydney area. In fact, my scope "Alice" was named for Alice Springs, and was built for my first trip down under. She sports a contrasting wood map of Oz on the mirror box cover (visible in the "ready for travel" image and possibly in the below image taken on my first trip in 1991.
And four of the six 10" f/5.6 scopes we named for places in Oz, including Uluru, Kakadu, Kaputar, and Darwin.
My current 10" f/5 is called "Wiruna," which is the name of the Astronomical Society of New South Wales observing site and is an Aboriginal word meaning "sunset."
Always glad to hear from Oz.
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Very nice work.
I really like them all.
The second generation of the Alice scope, 10" F5, is very interesting.
Regards,
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Tony,
You've used it, haven't you? Do we need to meet some night and put her through her paces (once the weather gets warmer, of course)?
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Always a treat to see em. Looking forward to the next outing.
Jason
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WO Zenithstar 66 on Microstar Mount
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So it's you, Tony and me some warm night?
Got that 12" ballscope finished yet?
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I never tire of the image of you peering though the eyepiece with the green laser pointing off into the Milky Way.
That's what I think about when I think of stargazing.
Thanks for putting these photos up, Ron.
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Ron, Awesome scopes! So, what projects are next?
Rob
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So, what projects are next?
Who knows? Each time I finish a scope, I'm pretty well tapped out and sure it will be my last. This was particularly true when I built six of the 10" f/5.6 twin-strut scopes at the same time. It was too much like work. In fact, it was six years before I headed back into the basement to start another project.
I'm motivated and energized by that next interesting challenge, not simply to build another telescope.
The red 17.5" was spurred by Coulter's offering of such a large mirror for the first time. Up until then, 14.25" was all you could get and they were pretty expensive.
"Alice" was built because I wanted to have a telescope to take with me to Australia.
The six 10" scopes were built when a mirror-maker friend said he'd make me a mirror if I'd make him a scope. Well, as we would be making two scopes already and much of the work is set-up and preparation ... why not make six? Absolutely nuts!
"Brutus" was born when a friend gave me his bulky 8" scope. He simply didn't want it any more, because it was too big and heavy. I "chopped it down" opened the tube, cut holes in the rocker, added a finder, painted it scarlet and gray and returned it to the donor. He's loved it ever since.
The 6" f/6.8 was built around a mirror originally started by Dave Kriege and a desire to have a pretty traditional 6" Newtonian.
The 10" f/5 came as a result of a request for assistance in making a 10" scope from a junior member of our astronomical society. It was an opportunity to build a couple of scopes that addressed some issues I wanted to change from the earlier twin-strut design (i.e., 45-degree focuser board, wrap-around curved secondary support/light baffle, digital setting circles).
The RFT resulted from locating a really cheap little scope at a star party flea market.
The 4.5" refractor (my latest project) was born out of a pile of mismatched, incomplete, antique components that included tripods, tube assemblies, and an excellent 4.5" f/15 J.W. Fecker objective. (Some assembly required, of course.)
If I never build another telescope, that will be OK. But if that next interesting challenge appears this afternoon, I'm doomed to return to the basement.
Time alone will tell.
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Hi Ron,
Congratulations, and thanks for posting these pics! 
One of your ideas will make it into at least one of my scopes: combining the light shield and secondary mirror support functions 
Cheers!
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I keep thinking of doing a 4.25" Shief someday. They just look so cool and funky.
Rob
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Columbus is not the darkest place on earth. Where does one with your passion for telescopes go Ron, for the best viewing?
Thanks
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Columbus is not the darkest place on earth. Where does one with your passion for telescopes go Ron, for the best viewing?
Viewing? You mean you're actually supposed to look through these things? 
Actually, most of my "real" (i.e., dark sky) observing is done at star parties, specifically Starfest in Ontario, the Winter Star party in the Florida Keys, and usually one or two smaller regional events.
Beyond that, I frequently haul a scope to Perkins Observatory, located between Columbus and Delaware, Ohio), where the Columbus Astronomical Society meets. It's about a 5.0 magnitude sky on a good night, but beats my back yard and is only 25 minutes from home.
My home observing is primarily Questar-based, utilizing an aluminum pier that can be removed for mowing and replaced without losing polar alignment.
Also, I'll often grab the little RFT and check to make sure the universe is unfolding as it should before heading to bed.
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Ron,
Excellent gallery of telescopes. That's is an amazing picture of you, your refractor, and laser.
I hope to make a similar "dob" mount for a future refractor someday.
Oh yeah, even though I'm a big Michigan fan I'm rooting for the Buckeyes to win the championship.
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Ron, Fantastic scopes!!!
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That's is an amazing picture of you, your refractor, and laser.
The picture was taken by Terry Dickinson at Starfest this past August. He does know how to take them, doesn't he? He got it on his first attempt.
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Hi Ron Perth is hot and windy this time of year and the sky is not as dark as inland areas. I was able to show my brother and nephew a few brighter objects through the 6" last night and they loved it.
I still have a copy of "Making and Enjoying Telescopes" that I bought 10 years ago. I used ideas from the book to make my first telescope, a 4.25" f7.5 reflector. The description and pictures of "Alice" in the book are often referred to for inspiration. When I finish the mounting for my 90mm achromat I have an 8" f6 mirror that needs a new scope.
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A friend of mine goes to starfest every year and always has good things to say about it. If things work out I'm going to try to make it there this summer.
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Jim: "A friend of mine goes to Starfest every year and always has good things to say about it. If things work out I'm going to try to make it there this summer."
David Levy's Star Camp, Springfield Astronomers "Stellafane" and now "Starfest" all fall within a few weeks of one another and, strangely enough the locations form a small triangle just a few hundred miles across any one leg.
I am already committed to spending time at the Star Camp and Stellafane. Would be nice to go to Starfest too. It will be a stretch however.
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So it's you, Tony and me some warm night?
Got that 12" ballscope finished yet?
I need to make some final tweaks to the scope... stuff we spoke about before. That should be done this week. I think I am done with the mirror. I tested it at 1/7th wave, but some star testing shows that it is over corrected within a 1/4 wave. Still need to get a better night (which have become few and far between) to star test it. This is probably the last big mirror I ever do. I enjoy making scopes more.
Jason
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Spectacular scopes Ron. You are truly an artist and a craftsman.
I love the old brass classics like the restored Merz. They make me think of gentlemen in tophats with round wire-rimmed glasses peering at the moon while smoking cigars and discussing the ramifications of steam locomotion.
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Happy New Year,
Incredible work Ron! I really love the Fauth and Merz.
Cheers, -JWW:
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Hi Ron,
Thank you for putting up these close in views for us to see. To me,, this is the pinnacle of amateur astronomy,, in other words,, the pure love of it. It took me awhile to come up with the right adjective here. Would it be paragon, peak,, high point,, but then I looked up pinnacle.
As for the detail and finish,, "speechless", is all I can say! Mark J.D.
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I once heard Penn State's Joe Paterno say that such accolades were like poison ... only dangerous if swallowed. 
I've always felt that ATM efforts should be INclusive, rather than EXclusive. What I mean by that is that one should always point out to others how they can adopt ideas and techniques, rather than making it seem that one needs special skills and/or exotic tools to do interesting work.
Granted, I've been building telescopes for a long time, but I'm not one of those ATMs with a well-equipped shop or access to a lot of fancy power tools. (I do have a simple drill press and a cheap router table, but that's about it for tools you don't hold in your hands.
I try to start with good materials (e.g., Baltic or Finnish birch) and square corners. The former I get at a local Woodcraft store and the latter I usually achieve by begging or borrowing a little time on friends' table or band saws.
After that, it's mostly attention to detail. People sometimes think I'm some sort of master craftsman because of the fancy inlays, but you buy the stuff in strips, glue it into place and sand and finish it along with the rest of the wood.
I try to think of interesting ways to solve problems, rather than slavishly following what others have done, and I try to make each component as good as it can be (e.g., stainless steel screws running in threaded brass inserts rather than regular screws in zinc-plated T-nuts). As a result, the components in my scopes work as well after two decades as they did at first light.
I don't do a lot of math, computing moment arms, and all that when I build (other than placement of optical components). I simply build what I think will work and adjust it on the back end to make it right.
I'm sometimes a bit dismayed when I read posts online asking for the "right" way to do this or that, as if there were only one way to do it.
I'm a particular fan of Dave Kriege's and Richard Berry's book THE DOBSONIAN TELESCOPE, but not as a step-by-step guide for building a particular telescope. Rather, like Ingalls' AMATEUR TELESCOPE MAKING books, one should read the material and learn how telescopes are made, rather than how to make one. Once a person truly understands what a flotation cell does, why a diagonal should be offset, or why just any combination of plywood, Teflon and laminate won't work well, he/she is freed to come up with ways of solving telescope construction problems and having a great time building a scope that is different from those that went before, even if only in one or two details.
There are no "right" answers ... no rules other than those dictated by basic physics, which one can often intuit if the actual mechanics are unknown.
I'm a fan of people "rolling their own" when it comes to telescope making. Nothing is less interesting than the next Obsession-clone.
People often speak of Dave Kriege as some sort of genius telescope maker who should be emulated. Well, that's partially true, but it's not necessarily his telescopes that should be emulated ... it's Dave himself and the way he got to the first Obsession.
Back in the late 1980s he showed up at Astrofest in Illinois, examined in detail the telescopes that were there (including my own 17.5"), made mental notes, and then went home.
Did he show up the next year with copies of what he saw the year before? Nope. In the intervening months he thought about what a telescope really needed to be (and not be), did a lot of materials testing, tried some new design ideas, pulled it all together, and came up with something entirely new. In the process, he kicked the Dobsonian design into its third generation and set the trend for the next two or three decades. Not bad for a Wisconsin dentist.
So, go forth and find new ways to make these 400-year old instruments work better ... and have some fun in the process.
Sure, you can (and should) take ideas from others (we all do), but don't just copy. Keep Albert Ingalls' comment in mind.
"It is not ... unsportsmanlike to study closely the details of telescopes made by others and to 'lift' this or that feature from them, provided one improves these features."
Peace, and Happy New Year.
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Great thread Ron. I have enjoyed your scopes for years, watching you procude new ones now and again. Great work for sure.
I can't agree with you any more then when you say, you need to try to make your scopes a bit better in some way then the last, or from the one you,,*Lifted* an idea from... 
In building my 6"f/15, we did just that, and more. Incorporating features that are still ahead of their time, was not the aim, but to make the experience all that better. *fixing* what was/is known to be *drawbacks* in the refractor design, we produced a scope(well my father), that is as easy to use as is to look at.
Glad to see, you're restoring great older scopes too.
Thanks for the look into your astro world.
Rob
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Ron- Would like to add my compliments on your philosophy of building... while I would love to have a machine shop, my power tools are somewhat limited in number, so I make do with what I have. I end up having to use files on aluminum more than someone else might who has a mill, but a table disc sander works great for cleaning up the edges that a saber saw with good blades leaves in 1/4" thick (or more) aluminum. If you understand what needs to be done, frequently there are more than one way to accomplish a goal. Taking each piece as a project in itself- and not being in a hurry lends itself to worthy projects when finally completed. I myself am just finishing up a 4.25" Schief, and it has been a fun challenge to build over the course of about 9 months. Rushing leads to shoddy worksmanship; your telescopes, on the other hand, stand as an example of what can be done with skilled hands and simple tools.  Wes
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great looking scopes ron every one of them
having just finished a 12" truss I can relate a lot to what you mention,I have no benched tools as such ,and spent many a weekend sitting on a concrete slab with a cordless drill or hand sanding.I always meant to get a copy of
THE DOBSONIAN TELECOPE but never got round to it .Google images showed me enough ,not to openly copy something somone else had done (not alaways anyway )but to see how somone did something ,try to understand why and how..and could you improve it to work for you a little better ?
I'd have to admit I replaced a good idea with a not quite so good one at times as well ,but its part of the process
thanks for shareing
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My home observing is primarily Questar-based, utilizing an aluminum pier that can be removed for mowing and replaced without losing polar alignment.
This is interesting. I am curious as to how you went about making the pier foundation. My problem is figuring out how to make the foundation so it will lay flush with the ground to prevent tripping while remaining free of holes that collect water. Best I could come up with is countersunk gasketed bolts that when removed can then serve as bolts for attaching the pier. The bottom side of the pier would have spacers or a stack of glued washers to fill the countersink with this arrangement. The threaded holes in the foundation would be octagonal threaded pieces sold for joining threaded rod. Threaded rod epoxied halfway into these unions can serve the function of rebar in those positions. The other end of the union has a waxed wood dowel drilled with a bolt. The face of the dowel can be greased for easy removal after the pour. The dowel and bolt allows for a clean face for the gasketed bolt as well as an attachment point for a leveling arrangement during the pour.
I am currently leaning towards a pad of woodchip on landscape cloth surrounding a removable gravity secured sundial over the foundation to get around the problem. The foundation would have bolt ends sticking up from the cement in that arrangement. Many thanks for any suggestions.
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My home observing is primarily Questar-based, utilizing an aluminum pier that can be removed for mowing and replaced without losing polar alignment.
This is interesting. I am curious as to how you went about making the pier foundation. ... Many thanks for any suggestions.
I embedded three aluminum pads with center rods into the ground. They are flush with the ground and have stainless indexing pins that allow me to lift the aluminum pier, mow, and replace the pier in perfect alignment. Images to follow.
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One pad with two stop points ...
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Second pad with one stop point ...
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Third pad with no stop points ...
-------------------- Ron Ravneberg
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Pier in place ...
-------------------- Ron Ravneberg
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RRavneberg
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I only embedded the thread rod about a foot into the ground. You could obviously do more.
Polar alignment is fine for using setting circles for the evening (pretty much a necessity in my light-polluted back yard).
The pier is aluminum, stainless and brass, and sits outside 24 / 7 / 365 with no ill effects. I simply grab the scope and accessory case and can be observing in a couple of minutes after only one trip.
-------------------- Ron Ravneberg
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Remote observbing with the Questar uses a Tri-Stand. It's much more portable than the aluminum pier.
-------------------- Ron Ravneberg
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Crab
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Thanks for the description. I like the 2-1-0 indexing arrangement. Your backyard hardware is simply beautiful.
I can read a newspaper in parts of my backyard at night. The decorative street lamps send more light into the sky than the ground.
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chipnwho
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Hi Ron, Being an artist as well as a machinst, I love the craftsmanship displayed in your scopes. A few years back I decided that the time was right to finally go for it and build my first scope. Since I'm in my late 50's I didn't have the time (or patience) to start small so I purchased Kriege & Berry's book and using their ideas as a guideline, built an 18" that has performed beautifully. Like I said, since I wasn't inclined to do a lot of experimentation, I ended up with a basic Obsession clone but as you alluded to, the artistic and creative part of me is bored with it. That, coupled with the fact that it's weight makes transportation a chore and the set-up and breakdown time is cumbersome especially when you're cold and tired, has gotten me inspired to salvage what I can from it, remove a lot of wood and make some major modifications.
I've always been intrigued by your idea of using two larger struts with a flat focuser panel instead of the eight strut truss design. But I'm a stickler for holding collimation from zenith to horizon. I know you've probably covered this in the past, but if I use 2" aluminum poles that are well supported at both ends and keep the weight at the focuser end to a minimum, should I feel confident that my flexure will be tolerable? I know you can't give me a definitive answer not knowing the details of my design and my machining skills, but have you and others that have used your scopes had any complaints with the two strut design as far as collimation is concerned?
Dale
-------------------- Dale Burkhardt
18" homebrew dob with f/4.5 Torus-OMI mirror
Argo/Navis, ServoCAT
100mm Orion SVP w/Moonlite focuser
Customized SVP mount w/Sky Commander
"No matter where you go, there you are."
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Dale,
The largest version I've seen is a 15", which had a bit of flexture. Obviously, there are things one could do re. cross-bracing to reduce or eliminate any flexture, but then the whole thing starts getting complicated.
Putting the truss tubes on the side of the scope lets them reinforce each other, whereas the 45-degree orientation that I used on my 10" f/5, while more convenient, requires better support of the tubes.
Were I going for an 18" I'd probably look to something more like Albert Highe's "Ultralight" scopes.
http://pw1.netcom.com/~ahighe/12_5ultra.html
There's an 18" version of his design at:
http://plettstone.com/products.htm
Let me know what you think.
-------------------- Ron Ravneberg
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chipnwho
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Ron,
I contacted Albert a few years back and we discussed this very topic. Even with his design he said to expect a small amount of flexure. I purchased my altitude bearings from Dave Kriege and since they're aluminum I think I can fabricate a rather simple extension strut that would attach to the bearing and help brace the lower tube further up toward the focuser panel. I could also go for thicker walled tubing but then I run into a weight trade-off. I may just have to bite the bullet and start experimenting.
-------------------- Dale Burkhardt
18" homebrew dob with f/4.5 Torus-OMI mirror
Argo/Navis, ServoCAT
100mm Orion SVP w/Moonlite focuser
Customized SVP mount w/Sky Commander
"No matter where you go, there you are."
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RRavneberg
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Dale,
Going back to your initial question ... I would certainly go to at least 2" diameter tube. All the strength is in the surface, so diameter is what counts. If you can get some thin-wall 2.25" or 2.5" it might even be better.
Here's a 12" by Dave North. If you used a wrap-around curved secondary support/light baffle like I did it might work very nicely and would be much lighter at the top.
-------------------- Ron Ravneberg
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chipnwho
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We're on the same wavelength Ron. I was just looking at that scope this morning. Maybe a hybrid of all three ideas. Thanks for your feedback.
-------------------- Dale Burkhardt
18" homebrew dob with f/4.5 Torus-OMI mirror
Argo/Navis, ServoCAT
100mm Orion SVP w/Moonlite focuser
Customized SVP mount w/Sky Commander
"No matter where you go, there you are."
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Ever used an aluminum cutting blade? Oldham has a 150-tooth steel blade made for cutting aluminum. When I bought one of those, I found myself working aluminum a lot more.
-------------------- 16" Lightbridge, 10" F4.5 Homemade with Orion optics, 6" F6.5 Antares 1529 refractor, 6" F8 Homemade with Orion optics, 100mm F5.6 finderscope, 22X100 Oberwerk binocs, 8.5X44 Swift Audubon binocs, Orion Atlas mount, equatorial platform, various tripods and altaz mounts
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Hi Ron. It was really nice to see all your scopes here in one place on the Internet. While I think I've personally seen them all, I still enjoyed looking them over again.
I want everyone to know....that not only do you build fantastic telescopes, but also you have helped countless people (me included!) with their scopes. Whether it's just helping online, or personally in some garage...you really have been there for folks. You are a true inspiration, and we are lucky to have you in this hobby.
Chuck Gulker (Dublin, Ohio)
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Ron, I have just had the pleasure of running across your thread. It would seem to me that you have probably made some of the most innovative and beautiful ATM telescopes out there. What a treat to see such lovely workmanship, something I always thoroughly enjoy looking at. I just hope that nobody wants us to start picking out our favorite from your collection! Or maybe if there is a box marked "all" that would be alright. A heartfelt "Thank you" for posting all those great pics. Keith
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Thank you for this thread Ron. I had hoped you would do something like this for some time. Your scopes are a perfect blend of form and function. The photo's you have posted here will help many ATMers in the future who are conteplating ideas for scopes. I for one will spend many hours looking at this thread trying to glean as much knowledge from you as possible. You have done us all a great service. Thanks Again
-------------------- **Matty**
Stimulating the economy, one piece of equipment at a time.
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Thanks for the kind words. I hope others can get a few ideas from these scope just as I have found good ideas in others' scopes.
-------------------- Ron Ravneberg
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Markovich
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Very nice Ron. I can say Ive looked through a number of those! Brutus remains one of the my favs!
Mark Bungart
-------------------- "The secret to flying is to throw yourself at the ground...and miss!"
Douglas Adams
Obsession 15" with Swayze mirror
Celestron Nexstar 5i
Celestron Ultima C8 PEC
Orion Starblast
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Beautiful work. I don't know how I missed this thread before but I am glad I finally took a look. What artistry, craft, and imagination. Wonderful.
-------------------- "Ignorant people think it's the noise which fighting cats make that is so aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening grammar they use." Mark Twain
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I thought it would be nice to refresh what a great friend and craftsman he was to Cloudy Nights.
-------------------- Brian
A small scope that gets used often is a better investment than a big scope that stays in the closet.
Unitrons, you spend more time looking at them than you do through them.
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Thank you Sir.
-------------------- Ron
NS11GPS
Pronto
16" dob
15X70 Obies
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Yes thank you. Should be stickied also.
-------------------- Tom
"Don't always know what I'm talkin about"
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Reading this thread has been moving indeed.
-------------------- Albert
1 Great 'ole Newt
4 Good 'ole Newts
2 Great 'ole Cats
1 Lousy 'ole Newt
One of these days I'll try a Refractor better than my 90mm finderscope
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Quote:
Beautiful work. I don't know how I missed this thread before but I am glad I finally took a look. What artistry, craft, and imagination. Wonderful.
Here, here ...
-------------------- Rickster
NexStar 8i
TV85
Canon 15x50is Bins
Quondo omni flunkus mortati
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Ron passed away Friday or Saturday, he will beremembered and missed by his many friends. Jim
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Yes, Jim. There are memorial threads in four places on Cloudy Nights and this thread has been 'stickied' for a while in remembrance. Welcome to Cloudy Nights.
-------------------- Don Wyman
Obsession 18" f/4.5 #1166
W/Argo Navis DSC and Torus Primary
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Lets make it a permanent stickie.
T
-------------------- Hyperbole - undoubtedly the best thing ever.
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Don W
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Done
-------------------- Don Wyman
Obsession 18" f/4.5 #1166
W/Argo Navis DSC and Torus Primary
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Fraxture
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WOW, love the Brutus the Buckeye scope. 
Call me partial.
-------------------- John B.
You make a living by what you get, you make a life by what you give.
Orion XX12i
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-------------------- Clear Skies, Forever!
The Vega Sky Center
10" (254mm) F/5.65 Home Built Fork Mounted Newtonian Reflector
5" (127mm) F/9.4 Home Built Refractor (under construction)
3.5" (90mm) F/11.1 "Vixen-Spec Modified" Konus Refractor
3.1" (80mm) F/6 Scopos ED APO Refractor
4.5" (114mm) F/8 Tasco 11te-5 Newtonian (under restoration)
2.4" (60mm) F/16.7 Tasco 7te-5 Refractor
2.4" (60mm) F/15 Jason Discoverer 313 Refractor
http://www.vega-sky-center.com
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Just for your information. This thread is a memorial to Ron Ravneberg. He passed away in January.
-------------------- Don Wyman
Obsession 18" f/4.5 #1166
W/Argo Navis DSC and Torus Primary
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I am so sorry to know that. I had no ideal. My condolences goes out to his family and friends. I pray that his life and legacy will live on in all of us who found him to be a catalyst within their own lives. May he live among the star, forever...
Sincerely,
Mel
-------------------- Clear Skies, Forever!
The Vega Sky Center
10" (254mm) F/5.65 Home Built Fork Mounted Newtonian Reflector
5" (127mm) F/9.4 Home Built Refractor (under construction)
3.5" (90mm) F/11.1 "Vixen-Spec Modified" Konus Refractor
3.1" (80mm) F/6 Scopos ED APO Refractor
4.5" (114mm) F/8 Tasco 11te-5 Newtonian (under restoration)
2.4" (60mm) F/16.7 Tasco 7te-5 Refractor
2.4" (60mm) F/15 Jason Discoverer 313 Refractor
http://www.vega-sky-center.com
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I have changed the name of this thread The Ron Ravneberg Memorial Scope Gallery. Hopefully this will help others.
-------------------- Don Wyman
Obsession 18" f/4.5 #1166
W/Argo Navis DSC and Torus Primary
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PitchHitter
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Quote:
My home observing is primarily Questar-based, utilizing an aluminum pier that can be removed for mowing and replaced without losing polar alignment.
Also, I'll often grab the little RFT and check to make sure the universe is unfolding as it should before heading to bed.
I worked as a night assistant while going to College and my tools for public sessions were a 14" Celestron, an 8" Celestron a 4" Unitron and a Questar. I would also bring my 6" homemade f:8 Newtonian. I like the Questar and used it in the field often. Over all concensus was that the 14 inch Celestron was most preferred followed by my 6". Later this changed when I brought my fork mounted 12.5" f:8. I even took a poll and side by side the orange tube 8" was preferred over the Questar. Of course the folks were just viewing and not setting the scopes up and taking them down. This was on a college campus and the larger scopes beat the light pollution better and one night alone I had over 340 people take the survey.
So I have this question. What is it you particularly like about the Questar over the rest of your scopes or what you could make that makes it your most used telescope? Thanks, Rick
-------------------- About 20 telescopes from a 200mmAPO up
Fav is Meade 10" f:4.5 using my 3" 40mm 96°AFOV
BUT! In Progress:
14.5" f:5 grab n' go with DSCs will offer 2.4 degrees at 45 power and 8mm exit pupil (Light Bridge Buster)
16.25" f:7.5 to refigure
(20th wave ruined in a fire at the coaters)
22" f5: New mount almost done
(old all aluminum mount was stolen)
16" Varian Vapor Deposition Coater.
Looking for larger chamber.
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PitchHitter
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Oh sorry to hear that. I didn't see the notice. I sure would have liked his input for with all his talent his choice of favorite scope somewhat eludes me unless it was the sit down comfort of a folded reflector. I am working on a larger aperture solution to that now. May be he could not have shed to protect his telescope and the Questar was so much lighter and easier. I would loved to have known and to have met the gentleman. -Rick
-------------------- About 20 telescopes from a 200mmAPO up
Fav is Meade 10" f:4.5 using my 3" 40mm 96°AFOV
BUT! In Progress:
14.5" f:5 grab n' go with DSCs will offer 2.4 degrees at 45 power and 8mm exit pupil (Light Bridge Buster)
16.25" f:7.5 to refigure
(20th wave ruined in a fire at the coaters)
22" f5: New mount almost done
(old all aluminum mount was stolen)
16" Varian Vapor Deposition Coater.
Looking for larger chamber.
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