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Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats?
      #3416519 - 10/28/09 05:15 PM

I've recently caught the "binocular bug" and have picked up a few nice older models of binoculars. I'm really enjoying the wider field of views, and the relaxed eyes while viewing (though I use an eyepatch for telescopic viewing, which helps).

Anyway, having built a few telescopes of differing stripes over the past couple years, and seeing some of the "giant binoculars" that are out there (80mm to 150mm sizes) that are just a tad pricey for my budget, it occurred to me that it might be possible to make something usable in that range from some Surplus Shed objectives, which would make the overall cost at least do-able for me at some point in the future.

Has anyone ever done something like that before? Would it really be all that difficult to take a couple 80, 90 or 100mm objectives with a few well placed diagonal flats (one to bring the light cones in, the other to bring the light up towards eyepieces) and then make a simple system to collimate the two "scopes" as well as push them apart/together to account for differing inter-pupillary distances? Am I failing to account for a problem in such a design that would cause a fatal flaw of some kind?

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- Orion Vista 10x50s, Sears #6207 7x35's, Jason Statesman 7x35's

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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: magic612]
      #3417043 - 10/28/09 09:47 PM

Hi, David:

I’m into making a binoscope myself (currently I’m in the second OTA), but still not decided how to join the OTAs. However, I think that just one must be moveable and collimatable and the other can be fixed.

Cost is an issue, and buying eyepieces in pairs is a big issue indeed. So I m using a couple of 60mmx900mm objectives. With this focal ratio inexpensive eyepieces can give very decent views. Have you considered that?

Good luck!

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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: orion63]
      #3417138 - 10/28/09 10:25 PM

Hi Gonzalo!

You're right - only one needs adjustments to collimate it to the other. My thought to join the two would be something of a "rail" system - use two wood rails one one side that are the exact distance apart as another rail's width on the other scope. Then do the same thing at the other end of the scope. With a small bit of thin plywood underneath, the two scopes could slide back and forth, and remain in the same orientation. That may not be easy to understand, but I can draw it out if it would make more sense.

Cost is certainly an issue, no doubt. Yes, buying two eyepieces at a time can get expensive - but - if one simply purchases a second of an eyepiece they already own, this lowers the overall costs involved, too.

I was actually thinking much shorter focal length lenses, this way the field of view could be much greater with long focal length eyepieces, such as 25mm. My thought was something along the lines of the 80mm or 90mm short f-ratio objective lenses sold at Surplus Shed, use four first surface mirrors (also sold there in sizes large enough to work), and pick up another 25mm Plossl to match the one I already have.

I don't know - it's just a thought. Let me know how your progress goes; I'd certainly be interested in seeing what you've got done so far.

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- Orion Vista 10x50s, Sears #6207 7x35's, Jason Statesman 7x35's

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Edited by magic612 (10/28/09 10:26 PM)


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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: magic612]
      #3417439 - 10/29/09 12:23 AM Attachment (34 downloads)

Hi, David:

Can’t get your idea for joining the OTAs, can you draw it?
I understand, you want big binoculars, not a binoscope.
All my scopes are f9 or more, haven’t tried a fast scope, but I understand that the faster the objective, the more critical (hence expensive) the eyepieces. I designed my binoscope mainly with 0.965 eyepieces in mind, my f16.7 OKKK gives good views even with inexpensive SS eyepieces ($10 for a set with 9, 12, and 25mm).
I opted for a folded design, in order to keep it small and portable. In the picture you can see the first OTA, the second will be symmetrical and will be ready maybe in one week.
I will like to know if you decide to go for your project!
Best regards!

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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: orion63]
      #3417566 - 10/29/09 03:10 AM

You should have no trouble making binos out of SS achromats as many of them are from binoculars in the first place.

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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: scopemankit]
      #3417827 - 10/29/09 09:28 AM

Hi,
If you are suggesting replacing the objectives of a vintage binocular with larger SS objectives then you may want to check this out:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/10315218/Binocular-Rebuild-2

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11912773/Binocular-Disassembly1

The resulting binos are great for terrestrial viewing.


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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: scopemankit]
      #3417880 - 10/29/09 10:10 AM Attachment (48 downloads)

Hi Gonzalo -

I've attached a crude, quickly-made drawing that hopefully will make more sense. Note the magenta and green lines - these would represent 3/4" (18mm or so) wood "rails" (for lack of a better term). Three would be attached to each side, and they would overlap the ends of each "scope" somewhat. I'd think if hardwood were used, and perhaps some wax used between them along with a thin plywood "bottom" across the "double rails", this set up would allow for adjustable interpupillary distance while keeping the binos collimated (assuming provisions are made for collimating the two sides).

Not sure if this would work or not - if anyone sees any problems this might pose, please chime in. Just a thought for making something larger in the way of binoculars for less $$$.

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- 10" Orion Dob, 127mm f/9 refractor, 127mm f/4.4 refractor, 5" f/8 Dob (homemade), 90mm f/10 Orion refractor, 114mm f/8 reflector, Tasco 11TE-5 reflector, 60mm Sears 6333-A refractor
- Orion Vista 10x50s, Sears #6207 7x35's, Jason Statesman 7x35's

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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: magic612]
      #3417934 - 10/29/09 10:39 AM

orlandog - I do recall seeing that construction of large binos previously. I was thinking something more for astronomical viewing - take a look at the PDF file I attached above. It sets up the binos to have the eyepieces at a 90 degree angle to the objectives, to allow for a more comfortable viewing position. I'm just curious if I'm missing something important with this design, or if it's feasible to accomplish and would have decent performance.

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- Orion Vista 10x50s, Sears #6207 7x35's, Jason Statesman 7x35's

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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: magic612]
      #3418115 - 10/29/09 12:12 PM

Hi, David:

Ok, now I get it.
That design will work well for changing interpupillari distance, but if you want the sliding OTA to move perfectly parallel (and keep collimation), this contraption must be extremely rigid. I believe this to be very difficult to accomplish, especially with wood. You may need to provide a way to easily fine tune it after sliding, maybe with a screw.

You may want to read this thread:
http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=1,2,3,4,5,8,9,10&Number=3056118&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=all&vc=1

Regarding the feasibility of making it, as far as I know the only tricky part is getting both OTAs collimated.


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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: orion63]
      #3418149 - 10/29/09 12:28 PM

Gonzalo - true, after I posted the drawing, I realized that the thickness of the wood rails might not be sufficient. However, wider pieces of hardwood (2" width? 3"?) - or simply using steel angle iron - ought to be sufficiently rigid, I'd think (I'm not a real engineer, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that).

Some fine tuning via a screw certainly wouldn't hurt, I suppose. Wouldn't be too difficult to build into the overall structure.

Thanks for that thread link - some good points made in there. I don't think collimation would be too terribly difficult. It would just be a matter of building the required fine tuning adjustment mechanisms into the design.

Hmmm... maybe with some tax-refund money in the winter I'll be able to get a few parts to make something along these lines. It sure would be fun to have some 80mm or 90mm binoculars!

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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: magic612]
      #3418268 - 10/29/09 01:15 PM

Hi Magic612,
It is a joy to see interest in the fabrication and design of binoculars however, from my experience; money has never been saved in fabricating a prototype.

For optimum performance, you will find that the eyepiece with the largest field stop aperture will determine the size and placement of the objectives and reflecting/refracting surfaces. This field stop diameter is of prime importance.

Glenn LeDrew has kindly provided the following:

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/resources/software/3304921.html?c=y&page=3

and if you have a working knowledge of C++ then I can send a homemade ray sketch program that allows you to see how and why basic design restrictions come about.

(The PDF as presented, with one reflecting surface, limits you to an objective diameter that is no larger than your IPD – 60mm to 70mm. I do not think that is what you want.)


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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: orlandog]
      #3418327 - 10/29/09 01:43 PM

Hi orlandog - I can't say I have any knowledge of C++ at all. I understand that from a prism perspective, there are certain design restrictions inherent due to the nature of fast focal ratio lenses and how prisms work.

But I'm simply taking a refractor lens, bouncing it one time "inwards" (to account for the interpupillary distance) and then a second time upwards (for convenient viewing angles). I realize this may not be clearly portrayed on my "quick and dirty" drawing (my apologies that it's only 2D), but note that where my ray trace seems to "end" in a circle, that is actually where the light cone is bouncing off another mirror, up and into the eyepiece. (Note the oval shape around it - that would represent a circular first surface mirror, angled at 45 degrees). That light has another 4 inches to go before it reaches the eyepiece (I assumed a 102mm lens at f/6).

So the PDF actually has two reflective surfaces. I realize this incurs some light loss. But by having the "sliding rails", this allows the two "folded refractors" to effectively function like binoculars. I hope that makes more sense.

And if I'm missing something in what you've said, please clarify. I do try to be open to all thoughts on the (sometimes crazy) ideas I occasionally have.

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- Orion Vista 10x50s, Sears #6207 7x35's, Jason Statesman 7x35's

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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: magic612]
      #3419526 - 10/30/09 02:28 AM

Check the CN classified for objectives. I bought a 100mm F4 and made an incredible rich field scope. I've been thinking about buying another and making some binos...

100mm F4 here


I think the guy has a few of these - also some 80mm F7 Cartons plus other interesting stuff.

Most seem to come in metal cells.

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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: magic612]
      #3419737 - 10/30/09 08:23 AM

I think your design will result in images from each eyepiece which are rotated 180 degrees from each other. The reflections you are using to bring the light path into your inter-pupillary distance cause this because they are opposite to each other. The second reflections (which are, in effect, like a diagonal) cannot correct this rotation problem. UNLESS you use one ordinary diagonal and one Erect-image diagonal. I doubt that you can achieve your goals with simple flat mirrors.

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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: Cotts]
      #3419903 - 10/30/09 10:28 AM

Andy - I've purchased from Sheldon in the past; that's a good idea. I'll keep that in mind.

Quote:

I think your design will result in images from each eyepiece which are rotated 180 degrees from each other. The reflections you are using to bring the light path into your inter-pupillary distance cause this because they are opposite to each other. The second reflections (which are, in effect, like a diagonal) cannot correct this rotation problem. UNLESS you use one ordinary diagonal and one Erect-image diagonal. I doubt that you can achieve your goals with simple flat mirrors.




Ahhh... now see, that's what I wasn't sure of: How the light reflections would bounce and be oriented the way I've got the mirrors set up. I guess the questions is, which diagonal in the light path would need to be the erect-image? The first "light bounce" or the second one?

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- 10" Orion Dob, 127mm f/9 refractor, 127mm f/4.4 refractor, 5" f/8 Dob (homemade), 90mm f/10 Orion refractor, 114mm f/8 reflector, Tasco 11TE-5 reflector, 60mm Sears 6333-A refractor
- Orion Vista 10x50s, Sears #6207 7x35's, Jason Statesman 7x35's

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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: magic612]
      #3420122 - 10/30/09 12:31 PM

The best way to do it is to use the flats for the first reflection as you have in your diagram. The light cone is larger there so you can get flats that are the correct size to prevent vignetting. The next reflections (to make the viewing more convenient) should use ordinary telescope diagonals, one of which (left-right makes no difference) has to be an erecting type. If you want to use 2" diagonals here you may have a problem - I can't recall hearing of a 2" erecting diagonal (although someone here on the forum may be able to help). You may be stuck with using 1.25" diagonals....
Dave

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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: Cotts]
      #3420446 - 10/30/09 03:45 PM

In the binocular forum, we have discussed Amici "air prisms",with phantom roofs, whose reflecting surfaces are 2 mirrors. These seem to be the only way to have an erect and unreversed image with two flat mirrors. Other possibilities involve four or six, the next even numbers. Compound angles are involved. One can read about such angles in crown moulding books, compound miter saw manuals, Machinery's Handbook, etc. I prefer to use 3D vector equations, following Hopkins in Mil Handbook 141 ( available in the binocular forum and/or elsewhere in this website), or in analytic geometry sections of textbooks ( usually found with calculus, but you do not need calculus for this project, though I did use one simple derivative to minimize spacing of the mirrors), whose only prerequisite is trigonometry. For 90 degree overall deviation of the lines of sight, the beamprint on each of the two mirrors is a 60 degree ellipse, which has a 2:1 major/minor axis ratio. The angle of incidence of an axial ray is 60 deg. This should be remembered if the mirrors used have been "enhanced", because the coatings are usually optimized for the 45 deg. incidence of a Newtonian secondary mirror. One configuration is that used by Tatsuro Matsumoto for many years, in which the size of the "prism" varies as the IPD is changed. Refocusing is required after any IPD change, in the scheme he used. Another is similar to the WW II Zeiss IPD for the 25 x 100 and 12x 60, in which one eyepiece moved laterally 2x any lateral motion of the (glass) prism. No refocus is needed. In either scheme any error in the 90 deg. angle of the phantom roof, where the planes containing the mirror surfaces intersect, has the result of image rotation. Tolerances are much larger than those for the roof angle of a glass prism, which if the roof line splits the light cone ( as is usually the case), must be very small to avoid image doubling. I call the split case Mode I, and the unsplit cone case Mode II. Both are illustrated very well in Mil Handbook 141 and a reproduction of one of its figures (mode II) by JCB.

About 10 years ago I wrote an about 20Kb. hp48 program for binoculars using air prisms , following Hopkins in Mil Handbook 141. Among others, JCB contributed to a thread in February about this topic , as did PCad. Search our names for early in this year in the binocular forum for more information. Glenn LeDrew has done similar calculations, not automated, for the compound angles involved in his glass Amici prism binoculars' mechanical components.

And by all means see the entries by Luciano. ( Luciano Jorge Ricci, in Macau). But do not be discouraged by his superb execution of the Matsumoto scheme, using sophisticated machine tools and CAD. I believe that wood , or wood/metal plastics will suffice, especially if one is prepared to do some tweaking to compensate for thermal or other minor effects.

It should be noted that 90 deg. line of sight deviation is only one of a continuum of possibilites, ranging from perhaps 60 deg, with long, narrow mirrors, through 80, 90, 100, 120, ..., up to 180 deg. At 180 degrees, the beamprints are the same as Newtonian 1.414 ellipses, and the compound angles vanish, simplifying design and construction. A 180 deg. deviation of the sight line is convenient for the Zenith region, but involves unusual body positions or perspectives when away from the zenith. One can view , while being in Chile, Australia, etc. , the constellations in a "normal" northern hemisphere orientation, as presented in sky charts.

In all cases, the angle of the phantom roof remains 90 degrees.


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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: Gordon Rayner]
      #3420823 - 10/30/09 08:08 PM

The first bino I ever built was a 5" f/5 for a friend, back in '96. Each half used three mirrors, and therefore the view is upright but mirror-reversed. The first of the three mirrors is a 2.16" elliptical diagonal which reflects the light straight upward, just as is done in any old diagonal on the back of a refractor, for example. Immediately above this mirror is a pair of 1.52" elliptical diagonals, arranged like a periscope. The first of this pair directs the light horizontally and inward, while the second redirects the light straight up and into the eyepiece. So as you can see, the pair of smaller mirrors accomplishes the 'squeezing' together of the two formerly widely-separated optical axes from the large objectives.

Note that even though the 'periscopic' mirrors are only 1.52" on the minor axis, they nicely illuminate the largest possible field stops in low power 2" eyepieces, with no detectable vignetting at the field edge.

I supply this info as a starting point in your designs. Its primary benefit is the ready availability of good quality mirrors. Of course, you would have to be satisfied with mirror-reversed views.

To get around this latter disadvantage, you could try to obtain a pair of 2" correct-image diagonals. These employ Amici prisms, and with a similar 'periscopic' arrangement described, you'll enjoy a completely normal image. I have a pair of these prisms destined for my own 120mm bino project (yet to finalize on detail), which I purchased from Orion nearly a year ago. Before Orion had them, Willam Optics carried what appear to be identical units, but for a rather steeper price! These prisms have 40mm (1.57") clear apertures, and are quite impressive to behold.

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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: GlennLeDrew]
      #3420943 - 10/30/09 09:23 PM

Hi here is a pic of a bino I made quick and dirty from a pair of ebay meade 70 mm and a broken set of cheap simons binos. Not real fancy but work. Cost me about $30. They hold colimation very well and work well day and night.
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Re: Large-ish ATM binos from SS achromats? new [Re: GlennLeDrew]
      #3420948 - 10/30/09 09:28 PM Attachment (15 downloads)

Sorry didn't get the pic on here but I think they are about 33x
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