elklown
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Hello -
I still consider myself a beginner in all of this despite the fact that I have been observing and imaging for years; the reason for my beginner label is that I have been using a Meade ETX-70 for all that time (about 5 years). Now this scope is hardly a amateur instrument, but I picked it up cheap and I have spent years trying to upgrade it into something respectable (upgraded autostar, finders, tripod, imagers, etc) it has served me well enough and I am finally ready to move on. I've socked away enough money to buy a truly enthusiast scope but I am unsure what to get.
I would like a scope that can last a lifetime with proper upgrades but I cannot spend more than $1000 in my initial outlay. I seriously considered a big Dob but I enjoy imaging and cannot give that up. Also, I live in dark skies now but move often and may need a portable setup. Also, I have become very used to the wide field of my little 70 and want to do more deep sky imaging, but I don't want to give up the option to crank it up and see planets in real detail. What I have been considering is:
1. Meade LXD75 SN-6AT Schmidt-Newtonian - I like fast focal, but foresee problems if I try to use a barlow or otherwise try to get high magnifications out of this scope. Also there are hardly any reviews available and what I have seen confirms my fears that the mount is inadequate as is the focuser.
2. Celestron Nexstar 6 SE - Really I have heard nothing but good things about this scope, that said I've had a great deal of trouble with accurate tracking on my little ETX from an alt azimuth mounting and feel an EQ may be better for imaging, but then again the ETX did not have PEC or decent gearing. I could use some advice on this model.
3. Celestron C6-S GT Schmidt-Cassegrain w/XLT Coatings - this scope seems to be essentially a Nexstar 6 with an upgraded mount and might be easier use as a guide scope and to add photo equipment to later such as a 80mm ED (do you think that would be too much for this scope/mount?). Why no polar scope added?
4. Meade ETX 125PE - I certainly like the Maksutov-Cassegrain design for its smaller secondary mirror and fantastic optics, but the higher focal length bothers me as does the fact that the drives probably are still plastic. I would be able to keep all my ETX specific accessories. Also, almost no one seems to image using the ETX's drive, it is almost always used as a secondary scope. I would also love to have the level north technology.
So far that's what I've got any thoughts - obviously I would love to have is an 8 inch Schmidt-Cassegrain but I just don't see any as affordable.
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kfred
Carpal Tunnel
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Posts: 2005
Loc: Dayton, Ohio
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Welcome to CN!
I think the C6-SCT would be an excellent pick for your needs.
Fred
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bcuddihee
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I would go with the C6 for portability and very fine optics. I would change out the supplied diagonal for a quality 2" enhanced or dielectric. The Nexstar would be a good choice for a grab and go as thew whole deal weighs only approx 30,lbs. The CG5 mount will will be a better imaging platform than the Nexstar. There have been many who have really enjoyed this scope as well as the 8SE, myself included. Here is a review.
bc
http://www.astromart.com/articles/article.asp?article_id=333
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B Cuddihee
On the quest to find the best for the least!
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1968 Jason Empire 60X700mm refractor (my buddy from way back)
Celestron Nexstar8SE(a remarkable 8" grab and go)
Feathertouch Microfocuser
Stellarvue 50mm "Sparrowhawk" finder
Denk bino's with Power x switch
Pair of 26m Celestron Silvertop Plossls
Pair of Smart Astronomy 19 EF's
Pair of Smart Astronomy 16 EF's
Agena 38 SWA
Agena 26 SWA
Garrett 2" 2x ED Barlow
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bcuddihee
scholastic sledgehammer
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Posts: 934
Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
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Here is a current thread that just started.
http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2626388/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1#Post2627130
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B Cuddihee
On the quest to find the best for the least!
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1968 Jason Empire 60X700mm refractor (my buddy from way back)
Celestron Nexstar8SE(a remarkable 8" grab and go)
Feathertouch Microfocuser
Stellarvue 50mm "Sparrowhawk" finder
Denk bino's with Power x switch
Pair of 26m Celestron Silvertop Plossls
Pair of Smart Astronomy 19 EF's
Pair of Smart Astronomy 16 EF's
Agena 38 SWA
Agena 26 SWA
Garrett 2" 2x ED Barlow
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Midnight Dan
professor emeritus
Reged: 01/23/08
Posts: 615
Loc: Brockport, NY
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I agree. The 6" Celestron is a great scope and the GEM mount on the C6-S GT would be much more appropriate for your interest in photography.
-Dan
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Scopes: Celestron NexStar 8, Orion EON 72mm ED/APO on Astroview mount (EQ3)
Eyepieces: Celestron 40mm, 25mm, Baader Hyperion 13mm, 8mm, 5mm
Other: Telrad, 2x Barlow, 0.63x Focal Reducer, Dew-not strips, DewBuster controller
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Midnight Dan
professor emeritus
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Posts: 615
Loc: Brockport, NY
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By the way, the NexStar 6SE does NOT have worm gears or PEC. The CG-5 mount on the C6S GT does have worm gears but I don't believe it has PEC.
-Dan
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Scopes: Celestron NexStar 8, Orion EON 72mm ED/APO on Astroview mount (EQ3)
Eyepieces: Celestron 40mm, 25mm, Baader Hyperion 13mm, 8mm, 5mm
Other: Telrad, 2x Barlow, 0.63x Focal Reducer, Dew-not strips, DewBuster controller
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jgraham
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Posts: 5370
Loc: Dayton, Ohio
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If you're serious about a telescope for a lifetime I'd stay away from anything with electronics; they're gonna die one day and they'll eventually be obsolete. Having said that; the present crop of Meade and Celestron hand controllers have proven very enduring with few changes other than firmware upgrade for the past several years.
Of the scopes you list I own two; an LXD75 SN6AT and an ETX-125PE. As far as plastic gear; engineering plastics have come a long way and properly designed systems with good selection of materials doe very well. That aside; the LXD75 SN6AT is a fantastic scope and an excelent value. It's strong points are that it's an excellent imaging platform and wdie field telescope, but as you'd expect only fair at high magnifications. One thing I love about the LXD75 is it is very versatile and I use several telescopes on this mount including Meade's SC8 which is probably the best general purpose telescope (photo & visual) in the LXD line. The ETX-125 is an amazing little visual telescope. I bought mine as a visual companion to my LXD scopes because they're often tied up imaging. I like just about everything about this scope from the quality of the optics, the sharpness of the image, its compact design, ease of use, and the accuracy of the drive and GoTo. However, the telescope is clearly designd for visual use and while it does a fine job at lunar and planetary imaging, it's focal length is a tad long for deep sky and the drive will really nly permit basic deep sky imaging. The focal length id long (1900mm), but the image is very sharp giving excellent high contrast views of deep sky objects and you can sneak the field of view fairly wide usig long focal length eyepieces. The design also lends itself beautifully to binoviewers. Sooo, as a primarily visual scope I have high praises for my little ETX-125PE.
This s my ETX set up with Orion Binoviewers...
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-John
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Homebuilt scopes from 4.25-16.5"
Meade LXD75-N6/SN6/SC8, DSX-90, ETX-60BB, ETX-125PE, DS-2130
Orion StarBlast, BinoViewers, Coronado PST
Rebel XT/XTi, DSI Pro (I & II), DSI, LPI, Electronic Eyepiece, Phillips SPC900NC
Tasco 60mm Refractors
Edited by jgraham (09/06/08 11:45 AM)
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jgraham
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Loc: Dayton, Ohio
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...and my LXD75 SN6AT. This has been my workhorse imaging platform and in this configuration has a Meade DSX-90 riding shotgun as a guide scope.
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-John
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Homebuilt scopes from 4.25-16.5"
Meade LXD75-N6/SN6/SC8, DSX-90, ETX-60BB, ETX-125PE, DS-2130
Orion StarBlast, BinoViewers, Coronado PST
Rebel XT/XTi, DSI Pro (I & II), DSI, LPI, Electronic Eyepiece, Phillips SPC900NC
Tasco 60mm Refractors
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smasraum
sage
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My big problem with your requirements is that three of your factors, "lifetime scope", imaging, and $1000, don't really seem to work out. It sounds like a list where you can pick/have two options, but not all three.
For serious imaging, you really need a GEM. Alt-Az leads to field rotation.
Would it be an option to upgrade in pieces. Maybe buy a good mount for $1000, continue to use your existing scope on the good mount, and save up and then get a better scope when you've got another $500-$1000 to spend.
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Houston (Friendswood), TX
 Space Center Houston
8" Zhumell Dob - Woo Hoo!!
Celestron C102 f/5 - Thanks Tim!
21mm, 13mm Hyperion
2.5x TV Powermate
Canon Rebel XT
Nikon 7x35
Bushnell 10x50
Edited by smasraum (09/06/08 12:38 PM)
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cuzimthedad
Just Be Cuz
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I own the LXD75 AR-6 and have owned the C6-SGT and would go with the SN6 as it is designed to be used for ap. It has a much faster focal ratio, f/5, than the C6, f/10, so your imaging sessions would be much shorter accordingly. The LXD75 mount has PEC. Both mounts are great for beginning ap but AFAIC, the Meade holds the edge. I own the LXD75 AR-6 and have owned the C6-SGT.
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Dan
20" Obsession (Freedom I...aka cuzimthescope)
TV102 (Star Dagger)
LXD75 AR-6 (Phoenix)
Megrez 80SD
Antares 1529 (Awaiting arrival)
Bushnell 7X50 Binoc
Zhumell 20X80 Astro-binocs
EPs: TV 5,7,9,11 T6s, 17 & 22 T4s, 31T5, 13E.
The Off Fisher Lane Irregulars
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John Carruthers
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Hi Elklown, in my limited experience I've noticed peoples scopes change as their interests evolve. We start out with something of modest aperture, move on to larger instruments then when they become unwieldy resort to something more manageable but of exquisite optical quality. A progression not unlike "the seven car ages of man" 
A 'lifetime scope' may exist but I can't quite picture it. Something like an equatorially mounted 10" Newt enough capability to keep most going for a long time certainly.
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Jc
ATM 10" F6.1, 1/25th wave spec (max wavefront error +/- 1/12.6 in zone 4 of 6, sodium light )
6" F7 spec
127mm F9.4 Refractor
10 x 50 bin
ETX80 (finder)
Canon 20D
and a curious mind
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hm insulators
professor emeritus
Reged: 01/22/07
Posts: 547
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Why not have two telescopes? Buy an 8- or 10-inch Dob (an eight-incher would be better for portability) for those nights when you won't be imaging, and hang onto the ETX-70 for pictures. The best of both worlds! 
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pstarr
scholastic sledgehammer
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Posts: 873
Loc: NE Ohio
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Quote:
Hi Elklown, in my limited experience I've noticed peoples scopes change as their interests evolve. We start out with something of modest aperture, move on to larger instruments then when they become unwieldy resort to something more manageable but of exquisite optical quality. A progression not unlike "the seven car ages of man"
A 'lifetime scope' may exist but I can't quite picture it. Something like an equatorially mounted 10" Newt enough capability to keep most going for a long time certainly.
JC,
You have described me exactly.
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Paul
10" Home built F-6 Eq planetary Newt. w/Zambuto mirror
fully flocked aluminum tube
curved spider, Antares 1/30 wave secondary
12'x12' roll-off roof observatory
6" Home built f-6 Newt. w/Parks mirror on CG-5 Eq. mount w/Digital setting circles
4.5" Orion Starblast on Eq. mount
TV Radians 5,6,8,10,12mm
Pentax XL 10.5mm
Baader Hyperion 17mm
3.2mm TMB planetary
13mm Ethos
TV 2.5x barlow, TV 1.8x barlow
My equipment philosophy... If it ain't broke, fix it anyway.
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elklown
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Thank you all for the comments, I think so far I'm going to eliminate the ETX 125 PE (unless I find a close out, I saw some recently and at that price I $600 I just might bite) due to its focal length and my continued concerns that the mount is just too limiting. I am still considering both of the 6 inch Celestrons SCTs, I prefer the EQ mounted model in principle but the ease of setup on the Nexstar and the new SkyAlign might actually lead to more use.
The remaining scope on my early list the Meade LXD75 SN-6AT is giving me heartburn; I've come to appreciate it more as I hear comments and research it but have used one once and found it rather large - I also both love and hate the wide field. I need more help with the negatives of this scope to really decide.
My $1000 price tag is really all I can afford at the moment, I know I will need a whole slew (no pun) of new accessories and need the extra for that. I could possibly extend my range to just under $1500 adding Meade's LXD75 SC-8 AT adding the NexStar 8 SE to the list, but the reason I'm really hesitant is that winter here in Florida is approaching, the best viewing season, and I really need to upgrade from my current setup before then and going up to $1500 puts the decision well into next year.
What is the consensus?
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Saycbon
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"What is the consensus?"
Carpe diem!
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mathteacher
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Posts: 1045
Loc: SF Bay Area
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I agree with the others who say you'll likely go through a bunch of scopes. However, I'd like to mention that all designs using mirrors will lose reflectivity over time. You will have to re-coat them eventually. A refractor is aperture challenged, but a good refractor is forever. I will always have a refractor.
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Regards, Mr. Wang
CR 150-HD - Gordie, Vixen ED100sf - Schipperke, Orion ST80 - The Pug, Orion 7x50 Scenix
Meade DSI Color
Vixen Porta Mount, Super Polaris, 2" pipe mount
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Winnie
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Loc: Las Vegas
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I have a C130 Mak and I get somed darned nice views out of it compared to my CPC925, so I say go for the C6 or Nexstar 6SE. For imaging, get the C6, for sure.
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CPC925 GPS
Feather Touch Microfocuser
C130 Mak
Celestron Plossl Kit
15mm Pan
9T6 Nagler
Canon 10x30 IS
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llanitedave
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Loc: Amargosa Valley, NV, USA
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I wish you a long and happy life -- with a succession of scopes that evolve as you do.
Don't let "what I can afford right now" determine what you will use for the rest of your life. Get what you can afford now, and when you can afford more, get more.
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"S.O.E." (Sauron's Other Eye) 16" Royce conical mirror: A permanent work in progress.
10" Homebuilt dob, old Coulter mirror
Next Project: The "Eye of Sauron" Observatory!
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KWB
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Welcome and hello
That statement by Dave rings true IMO. You most certainly will get more in terms of astro gear down the line. Most of us do and that is one of the fun parts of this hobby for me. Don't paint yourself into a corner thinking any one scope or a any single scope design can do it all,and especially for only for a $1000.00 investment.
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Kenny
"When dealing with a mystery,choose the most unlikely of the likely possibilities"-Sherlock Holmes
Edited by KWB (09/08/08 03:07 AM)
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Brooklyn
scholastic sledgehammer
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There is no such thing as a telescope for a lifetime.
Your opinion will change as you go through life on what telescope you think is best for you.
First you might start out with a 8-12" dobsonian with no tracking or goto. Then you might get a larger aperture dobsonian. Then you might get into astrotography and get a SCT design telescope. You might like astrotography so much that you get a large aperture apo refractor with a expensive GEM. Later on in life you might want to go back to normal viewing so you get a new dobsonian which by this time would have radical new technologies.
Then, when you start getting old you might want to decrease aperture for a more transportable scope. I know people who have owned 25-30" telescopes, sold them and got smaller 12" to 16" dobsonian telescopes.
So, its going to vary from person to person, but there is never such a thing as a telescope for a lifetime. You might save the first telescope you ever got as a relic, but chances are you will be using the newest equipment you have to make the most out of your observing sessions.
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Meade 8.25"(209.55mm) LX-90 EMC (SCT)
Albert Einstein =>
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mattyfatz
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I think the Celestron C6 AGT is the way to go. You get an immnsley upgradaple system. I don't know much about the LX75 line of scopes but they would also work for the same reasons. Your familiarity with the Meade Autostar may com into play wwith the LX75.
I have a C6AGT and I think its great. The mount is excellent, and the scopes optics are very, nice.
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*****MATTY******
All sorts of stuff
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boyd
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Reged: 11/30/06
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Loc: Florida
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This is like picking the only car you'll ever own from this point forward!
In my 20s I wanted nothing less than a 36" newtonian in a dome high on a mountain. In my 30s I wanted an 8" scope on a GEM. In my 40s I want a small refractor. IN the 50s I'll want something that doesn't involve mosquitos.
When I was in my 20s I couldn't afford anyting but the small refractor. In my 30s I bought and loved my 8", though I had to settle for the less expensive dobsonian mount. In my 40s I can afford any, but don't want to be bothered with heavy or fiddling stuff.
Sorry can't help you 
A scope for a lifetime just doesn't exist...
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XT8
ETX70AT
C80EQ
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StarsAbove
sage
Reged: 09/09/05
Posts: 203
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What 'boyd' said!
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David
CPC 800 XLT
102mm f/7 Achromat
41º32'N 81º32'W
http://astro.lightarts.net
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RAKing
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 12/28/07
Posts: 819
Loc: Clouds-ville, Virginia
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Quote:
Sorry can't help you
A scope for a lifetime just doesn't exist...
What boyd says is true. 
I've gone from small refractors to bigger refractors to small, medium, and large SCTs.
Now I am back to a 4 inch refractor. For some reason, the 4 - 5 inch refractor just works well for me.
Ron
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Time spent looking at the stars is added to your life.
Orion XT10i / Moonlite CR2 -- The New "Time Machine"
"Hi Def" TV-102
C925-CF SCT
Ethos and Naglers
GM-8 GEM / A-P Portable Pier
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elklown
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I need to apologize, and I know it is totally my fault but I never clarified the title of this thread but I did find the discussion illuminating. I am not actually looking for a "lifetime" scope, just a scope that will have a full life of its own plus I was looking for catching title to get interest. My little ETX was great to learn on especially when I was in grad school in a heavily light polluted area, I needed something I can take 3 hours away from the city and setup quickly, but I learned that I out grew the scope within a matter of weeks and spent years pushing it to the envelope. I would like a scope now that lasts me several years at least but one which will not exhaust its usefulness over that time. Part of this desire also stems from the fact that I am a bit of a hobby collector and have way to many toys to enjoy and for the past few years have engaged in a serious effort to sell off the excess - anyone love 35 mm cameras? Given these considerations I really am looking to have only one scope, even the little ETX will be sold or given away to prevent the further accumulation of toys.
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gilligan
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35mm camera? Love um,,,,,
If you could bring up your bank a little,,, The Celestron CPC 1100, 11 inches of primary to collect all that light.
I have owned mine for over 1 year, Easy to set up, align, and enjoy,, I bought a JMI hard case for travel, and as with everybody else, tons of gagets that I really don't need, But what the heck,
I plan on having this scope and using it for my lifetime (??) I for one consider this scope, Because of the "Goto" the "3 Star Alignment" and all the other stuff this scope can do,, Except make the coffee in the morning...
The CPC 1100 is almost 3K, but worth every penny!!
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Gilligan
Celestron CPC 1100 GPS "Hal 9000"
Meade DSI II
Meade LPI
And a bunch of other stuff..
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bcuddihee
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 11/04/06
Posts: 934
Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
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In that case I will retract my 6se recommendation and replace that with the 8SE.....you can find them for around 1000.00 in excl condition from time to time on the CN classifieds or A---.
The weight for transporting is only 3 lbs more then an 6SE and it will show you sooooo much more than the 6SE or any 4-6 inch Achro, or 4" ed scope. I keep mine set up in my office and take it out fully assembled with no problem. An 8SE. IMHO, is the perfect size for keeping one occupied for many many years. It is very "upgradeable" with aftermarket goodies, so you won't lose interest either.
bc
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B Cuddihee
On the quest to find the best for the least!
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1968 Jason Empire 60X700mm refractor (my buddy from way back)
Celestron Nexstar8SE(a remarkable 8" grab and go)
Feathertouch Microfocuser
Stellarvue 50mm "Sparrowhawk" finder
Denk bino's with Power x switch
Pair of 26m Celestron Silvertop Plossls
Pair of Smart Astronomy 19 EF's
Pair of Smart Astronomy 16 EF's
Agena 38 SWA
Agena 26 SWA
Garrett 2" 2x ED Barlow
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gilligan
Pooh-Bah
Reged: 01/02/08
Posts: 1042
Loc: Looking for the Bridge
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Gagets
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Gilligan
Celestron CPC 1100 GPS "Hal 9000"
Meade DSI II
Meade LPI
And a bunch of other stuff..
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boyd
sage
Reged: 11/30/06
Posts: 307
Loc: Florida
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OK, well you'll get plenty of years out of an 8" scope. If you want imaging, the the most convenient is the SCT design--a workhorse for years with a proven record of excellent in design and relative portability.
Cheap, nothing beats a dobsonian hands down. At 8" dobs like mine will provide you with the simplest, lightest, and deepest result for the money.
I personally don't recommend an 8" refractor without a serious statement of financial projection and statement of intent to forego a normal life in favor of tending such a work of scientific rigor 
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XT8
ETX70AT
C80EQ
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Protheus
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