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johntrob
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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: greju]
      #5541084 - 11/26/12 09:28 PM

People, get real. It takes us how many posts to figure out there is a problem and not to order? Newbies exempted.

Can we hang this on as a sticky warny?


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Starman1
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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: greju]
      #5541802 - 11/27/12 10:26 AM

Quote:

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The doors are closed. No one is working there. Readers of this thread should be aware that does not mean they have filed for bankruptcy nor dissolved the corporation.
But it does mean that they are NOT an active retailer, either in store or online.
Recent posts have made clear that posters did not understand that.




I guess that would be hard to understand considering the website is still up and seemingly taking orders.

Don, you seem to know a lot about the situation. Were you an employee there or involved in any other way? Maybe you could let the powers that be know that maybe they should shut down the website if " they are NOT an active retailer, either in store or online." Might alleviate some of the confusion.



I worked for Scope City from Oct.2005-Feb.2012. I'm also a Lumicon dealer and Lumicon is currently operating out of the same building as the HQ of Scope City, so I have my ear to the ground, so to speak.


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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: greju]
      #5542067 - 11/27/12 12:52 PM

In my book, the company is toast. Good riddens, considering the deception regarding the company's health via their website. Even if they re-open their doors, why would anyone do business with them when there are so many other (and much better) choices?

Buh bye.


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Jon Isaacs
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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: Paco_Grande]
      #5542219 - 11/27/12 02:16 PM

Quote:

In my book, the company is toast. Good riddens, considering the deception regarding the company's health via their website. Even if they re-open their doors, why would anyone do business with them when there are so many other (and much better) choices?

Buh bye.




Hanlon's razor seems appropriate for this situation:

"Never attribute to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity/incompetence/ignorance/laziness..."

In this case, it seems probable that there is no left to shut the door and clean up the mess. It's like a fishing net snagged on a rock at the bottom of the ocean. It just goes on catching fish until it disintegrates..

Jon


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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5542245 - 11/27/12 02:30 PM

Great simile, Jon. well said.

Enjoy the night sky.

Jack


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SteveNH
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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: mountain monk]
      #5542382 - 11/27/12 04:03 PM

+1

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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: oldstargazer]
      #5544092 - 11/28/12 03:28 PM

Many people check the website http://www.resellerratings.com to see if web retailers are reliable. Unfortunately, no one has posted any reviews of scopecity.com, so it wouldn't have helped in these cases. If anyone who has had a bad experience would be willing to create an account and write a review, it might save someone else from having a similar experience down the road.

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Paco_Grande
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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5544223 - 11/28/12 05:02 PM

Quote:



Hanlon's razor seems appropriate for this situation:

"Never attribute to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity/incompetence/ignorance/laziness..."






Certainly applies to government, I'll give you that...

But nah, you don't need motive to convict. I learned that from the "Law and Order" tv show.


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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: Paco_Grande]
      #5621163 - 01/13/13 04:27 PM

I just found out about this when I dropped by the Simi store to look for a case. I hadn't been since the last annular eclipse. It looks like the building and warehouse, though showing no sign of recent activity, is still full of scopes and merchandise. Pity.

Edited by grommit (01/13/13 04:33 PM)


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panhard
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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: grommit]
      #5621209 - 01/13/13 04:50 PM

It is a shame for sure all those scopes sitting there going nowhere.

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smallscopefanLeo
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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: panhard]
      #5621260 - 01/13/13 05:16 PM

At the risk of sounding like a circling vulture here (well, a drooling and adoring one anyhow!), a Parks Newtonian ota is basically one of my someday-attainable-grail scopes. Will there be an auction somewhere in the coming weeks or months with these glistening mirrors being bid on? I'm broke now of course, but I would perhaps sell a kidney if it meant a chance at ownership of one of those bad boys ...

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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: smallscopefanLeo]
      #5621437 - 01/13/13 06:52 PM

I'll see that kidney and raise you a liver lobe....

Hey, if eyepiece boxes are worth money, anything is possible...


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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: oldstargazer]
      #5621685 - 01/13/13 09:06 PM

Yep, as of 1/9/13, they are still running their website and still collecting "customer's" money. I paid with PayPal and have already filed a dispute, since I paid for the overnight delivery, and the product still hasn't shipped. I will also file with the BBB. Whoever mentioned mail fraud has a good idea. I will visit my local post office and see if I can get them involved. Anyone here have a contact with the Federal Trade Commission?

Tim


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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: Prof]
      #5621784 - 01/13/13 09:57 PM

Sorry to hear, Prof. Your local DA might be interested as well.

I appreciate what Jon said above but there is zero excuse for the website to be taking people's money under a false pretense. Ignorance of the law and all that. It's not like I don't have compassion for their situation - I do. Still, after all this time, there is no excuse...


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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: Paco_Grande]
      #5622494 - 01/14/13 11:22 AM

It blows my mind that not only are they still taking orders (and the website updated it's copyright date!), but Paypal is still allowing the money to go out! This has been going on for months, now. I feel like I'm watching a horror movie. "Don't push the checkout button! DON'T PUSH THE CHECKOUT BUTTON!"

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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: aonifer]
      #5628616 - 01/17/13 06:24 PM

The copyright date's get updated automatically to reflect the current year.

Don't bother with the BBB. They cannot do anything. Their only leverage is that the company doesn't want a bad BBB rating. If they cannot reach the company, they cannot ask them to respond to the complaints.

I would expect Paypal to be your best bet. Once they close the account, nobody will be able to pay. I am surprised that they have done nothing. Let it be a lesson that PayPal isn't able to respond in a timely manner to something this simple.

Also contact your DA. This is pure fraud.

EDIT: Decided to call Paypal and had a chat with their fraud department. They were very interested in hearing about the issue, and seemed like they were going to act upon it immediately. They were limited in what they could tell me about the account, but they must have seen something because she told me she could see something fishy was going on.

It seems like at this point they will attempt to contact the owner. If he cannot show he's in business, then they will close his account.





Edited by Footbag (01/17/13 06:48 PM)


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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: Footbag]
      #5628683 - 01/17/13 07:08 PM

What makes this even worse is that a lot of legitimate astronomy suppliers have very little inventory right now. So, I bet a lot of people see products they can't find anywhere else online and purchase from scopecity. This has been going on far too long. I don't understand why law enforcement hasn't intervened. This is awfully frustrating for the victims, bad for legitimate suppliers, and not good for the hobby, in general.

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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: Dave74]
      #5630027 - 01/18/13 02:22 PM

Ah, shoot. I have to see this now. I ordered a Parks focuser from them a few days ago. I decided against that focuser, and tried to email to cancel, it got bounced. Called...number disconnected. Then had the bright idea of looking it up online. I have ordered from them in the past. It was only $85, but I put a claim into paypal.

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Taylor
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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: Doug Reilly]
      #5630140 - 01/18/13 03:46 PM

Is it possible to get in touch with the company who does their webhosting and get the site taken down?

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panhard
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Re: Scopecity - a scam? new [Re: Taylor]
      #5630346 - 01/18/13 06:13 PM

I doubt it if they are still paying for it.

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