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Malux
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Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm?
      #6100386 - 09/25/13 01:24 PM

Hey all first post, be gentle

I'm thinking of picking up an Orion Skyview pro 127mm EQ. Scope looks to be in decent condition, but the seller is asking $350. It comes with the eq mount, but no computer or motion tracking.

Looking on ebay, i've seen the same scope selling for $500 (after shipping) but with the RA and DEC motor drives, and Intelliscope Electronic Setting Circles.

Am I right in thinking 350 is too much?


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6100423 - 09/25/13 01:40 PM

my limited two cents is that you don't need a motor with only 127mm primary. You would want to use wide field type pieces of course. But I think you could get a better bang for your buck. I know its a Maksutov-Cassegrain but you could get almost twice the primary if you got a orion QT8. And you still wouldn't need a motor for that size with wide view lenses. If you are willing to spend 350 you should shop around more. But I don't know much and hopefully more experienced people will chime in.

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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6100431 - 09/25/13 01:43 PM

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I'm thinking of picking up an Orion Skyview pro 127mm EQ. Scope looks to be in decent condition, but the seller is asking $350. It comes with the eq mount, but no computer or motion tracking.




Seems like a good price. Orion sells the optical tube alone for $300, and is currently selling it for $670 with a somewhat inferior equatorial mount.

Nice optical tube, and the mount is a good match for the tube.

Whether you care about tracking and/or Go To, only you can tell. Personally, I consider both to be gravy rather than essential for a scope in this class. Tracking is an easy add-on; not so for Go To.


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Tony Flanders]
      #6100454 - 09/25/13 01:54 PM

8" dob!! .lol... actually it seems like a good deal.

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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Tony Flanders]
      #6100458 - 09/25/13 01:56 PM

much appreciated on the advice. The Go To and tracking are nice to haves but not necessary. I just want to make sure i'm not paying too much. I was just comparing it to the scope I saw on ebay.

In terms of use I'm going to put a camera on the back and do some photography (probably just of the moon) but I don't think I need a motor for that. I've shot the moon handheld and the exposure times are pretty short (even at f/12) so I think i'll be ok.

I didn't think of a dobsonian. It might be too big to move around I'd think. Perhaps I'm wrong though


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6100747 - 09/25/13 04:07 PM

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I didn't think of a dobsonian. It might be too big to move around I'd think. Perhaps I'm wrong though




It's not hugely different from the SkyView Pro 127mm. That mount is massive! Which is a good thing, by the way.


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Tony Flanders]
      #6100937 - 09/25/13 05:38 PM

I'm particularly fond of my SVP. I got the dual axis drive but have never felt the need to install the DEC axis motor. Besides the fastest slew rate is still too slow. I ordered a pair of long control stalks from ScopeStuff which make it a lot easier to stay seated while manually slewing the scope. With my 102 mm f/11 onboard the SVP is a joy to use. OTOH the GoTo of my Atlas EQ-G is nice but I miss having RA and DEC knobs to turn. Go figure.

Originally this came with an Orion 8" f/4.9 newt, but modifications pushed the in the saddle weight seven pounds (27 lb) over the mount's rated capacity (20 lb), the SVP handled the load without a squawk. All in all a great mount.


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: AlBoning]
      #6101209 - 09/25/13 08:13 PM

The advantages of Maks are high magnification for lunar and planetary work, they hold collimation very well, and they are very portable. In this case, you are getting a medium duty eq mount with a light duty scope, so it ends up being kind of overkill and sort of killing the portability advantage of the Mak. But at least your mount could handle a bigger scope if you decide to upgrade later.

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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: SeattleScott]
      #6101876 - 09/26/13 09:13 AM

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The advantages of Maks are high magnification for lunar and planetary work, they hold collimation very well, and they are very portable. In this case, you are getting a medium duty eq mount with a light duty scope, so it ends up being kind of overkill and sort of killing the portability advantage of the Mak.




On the other hand, the mount will be truly rock solid with that optical tube -- always a nice thing to have. With equatorial mounts, I'd much rather be a bit too heavy than a bit too light.

For what it's worth, although the 5-inch Mak is a fine planetary scope for its size, it's nowhere near as good as a standard 8-inch Dob.


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Tony Flanders]
      #6101944 - 09/26/13 09:53 AM Attachment (18 downloads)

Many thanks for all the advice everyone. I ended up picking up the SVP yesterday. It's fairly portable and should let me do lunar & planetary just fine. I think it's a more than adequate starter scope. I have my own troop of kids, so who knows, a 2nd larger DOB can come later if everyone stays with it.

By the way, I paid $330 for the scope, mount and 2 lenses.

I managed to align the finder with the scope by locating a radio tower near my house. Sadly, Venus had already set, I'll try again for tonight.

I have so many questions, but I'm going to start with reading the instructions so I can ask intelligent questions.

i'm also picking the camera adapter and t-ring. so i can begin experimenting.

One question: do I need a lunar filter?


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6101969 - 09/26/13 10:03 AM

Looks great! As far as a moon filter goes, maybe, maybe not. Many people prefer to observe without one, but I prefer to use a filter as my eyes water whenever I view the moon naked eyed. I'm fairly sensitive to light, always squint in daylight without sunglasses. But it's totally personal, try without one and see how it goes!

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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: AngryHandyman]
      #6102044 - 09/26/13 10:30 AM

thanks Jeremy, one less thing to buy! I'll give it a whirl and see how it goes.

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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6102410 - 09/26/13 01:48 PM

That looks very good,and should be excellent for planetary and small DSO(of which there are many).Take great care in polar alignment and you won't miss the DEC motor or goto.

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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: BigC]
      #6102593 - 09/26/13 04:02 PM

thanks BigC, will do. I'll read up on the manual.

One more question: do you all recommend a variable polarizing filter for astrophotography? Or is that only needed for visual?


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6102606 - 09/26/13 04:07 PM

Here's one more thing going for the SVP: for someone like me, not such a big guy, it's about as much weight as I either can or happily carry for a leisure activity (for me) as stargazing. Bigger mounts are incredibly heavier and to me, that will begin to erode my pleasure by making set up much more of a hassle.

Edited by E_Look (09/26/13 04:20 PM)


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: E_Look]
      #6102615 - 09/26/13 04:19 PM

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Bigger mounts are incredibly heavier and to me, that will begin to erode my pleasure by making set up much more of a hassle.




the weight isn't bad. I'm used to carrying heavy camera gear for long stretches, so a short time carrying the scope and mount isn't too bad.

Coming from a tiny meade etx-60, it's a bit more work to setup, but the tradeoff is worth it. I need to find some case for the mount and counterweights. Right now the scope is in a carry case, but the mount and weights are in a cardboard box (tell no one ).

I'm going to see if I can see venus tonight. I have no idea what to expect, but it should be interesting.


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6102985 - 09/26/13 08:16 PM

You can always use Polaris too to align the finder, it does not move. As for a moon filter, it can be useful when you are looking at the moon when it's at or near full. I do not use one very often, and when I do it's when I am looking at the Moon through a 10 or 15-inch Dob. It also works with Venus and Jupiter too. I would call them a nice thing to have, but not an absolute must. I think you got a good deal with the telescope, a 5-inch Mak on a decent equatorial mount is a good portable telescope for city and suburban observing. It won't be what you would want for large, sprawling objects such as the North American Nebula, but most DSO's are small and from a dark site you can see a good many of those with a 5-inch. If I am not mistaken, you might be able to get a clock drive for that mounting, and you can always later get a heavier duty German equatorial mount that tracks and has full GOTO. Those mountings can be used with a huge variety of telescopes.


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Achernar]
      #6103716 - 09/27/13 09:22 AM

thanks taras, sadly, a polar finder didn't come with the mount. I was going to pickup a lunar filter, but instead i'm going to pickup a polar finder, camera adapter and the t-ring. It'll be a little over $100 but not too bad (certainly cheaper than most camera gear)

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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6103849 - 09/27/13 10:21 AM

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thanks taras, sadly, a polar finder didn't come with the mount.




A polar finder is completely unnecessary unless you're planning to do long-exposure astrophotograph -- something this rig isn't very well suited for anyway.

Just set the declination to 90 degrees north, so that the scope is parallel to the polar axis. Then tune the alt and az until Polaris is centered either in the finderscope (for crude work) or the main scope (for greater precision), and you're good to go.

That will get you less than a degree from the celestial pole, which is adequate for short-exposure photography and gross overkill for visual observing.

What are you planning to photograph through the telescope? If it's deep-sky objects, you may have a tough time unless they're very bright. If it's the Moon or planets, you might do better using the afocal method -- holding a point-and-shoot camera to the eyepiece.


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Tony Flanders]
      #6103871 - 09/27/13 10:30 AM

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What are you planning to photograph through the telescope? If it's deep-sky objects, you may have a tough time unless they're very bright. If it's the Moon or planets, you might do better using the afocal method -- holding a point-and-shoot camera to the eyepiece.




I'm mainly planning on the moon and planets. I'll experiment with DSO but won't be doing that right away (not until i pickup the true track (sp?) later on. I'm also not sure how well the scope will work for smaller DSO. Seems like it would be ok if they're small and bright based on the feedback I'm getting

For now, i'll be using the scope as a prime lens to mount my canon 5DMKII on it.

I ended up picking up the variable adapter, t-ring, finder and a variable lunar filter for about $130 from Orion. I'll admit, i'm a bit of a gear head, but compared to lenses/etc for the camera, that was pretty cheap. Also, Orion gave me a $10 coupon for chatting with them that was nice.


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6104027 - 09/27/13 11:52 AM

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For now, i'll be using the scope as a prime lens to mount my canon 5DMKII on it.

I ended up picking up the variable adapter, t-ring, finder and a variable lunar filter for about $130 from Orion. I'll admit, i'm a bit of a gear head, but compared to lenses/etc for the camera, that was pretty cheap. Also, Orion gave me a $10 coupon for chatting with them that was nice.




AP is quite different from terrestrial photography. The 127mm is an f12.1 scope. The f rating is the same as camera lenses. So you're taking photos of very dark things with a very slow lens. You'd probably be better off just using your DSLR with your best zoom lens. Or you might try a fast refractor. The Orion ST80mm is a 400mm f5 lens for example.

And the problem is you can't just do a longer exposure. Since the earth is rotating, the stars/objects will start to streak after just a few seconds, depending on the focal length (6 secs for a 85mm lens according to this site: http://www.davidkinghamphotography.com/blog/2012/11/how-to-avoid-star-trails)

So you can get great shots of the moon and decent planet photos, but DSOs will be extremely difficult. I'm thinking of getting hyperstar for my C11, which basically turns the F10 2800mm SCT into an F2 560mm scope.

Here's my feeble attempts with a Meade LT8 with tracking. The vibration was just too much for the mount, so everythings a bit blurry (and these are the best ones):









And then this was taken with my 25mm@1.4 lens (50mm equivalent) with a 1.6 sec exposure at ISO 3200.

AP is more about the mount and it's setup and management, then lots of long exposures combined in software (think extreme HDR).

That doesn't mean you can't dabble and have fun (like I have), but to expect really good results you'll need a lot more time, effort and usually equipment than you are used to.


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6104076 - 09/27/13 12:23 PM

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I'm mainly planning on the moon and planets.




You should be able to get very nice photos of the Moon through that scope at prime focus.

However, the planets will be minuscule -- incredibly small. Just a few dozen pixels wide at best. You would really do far better shooting through an eyepiece than attaching the camera at prime focus.

On the other hand, a 1540-mm lens has plenty of uses for terrestrial photography, such as photographing birds in their nests.

Obviously, you will want (at the very least) motor drive on the RA axis if you're going to do much in the way of astrophotography aside from the Moon.


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Kevdog]
      #6104095 - 09/27/13 12:34 PM

keydog,
If nothing else those pics have certainly lowered my expectations regarding the LT8.


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Kevdog]
      #6104202 - 09/27/13 01:13 PM

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AP is quite different from terrestrial photography. The 127mm is an f12.1 scope. The f rating is the same as camera lenses. So you're taking photos of very dark things with a very slow lens. You'd probably be better off just using your DSLR with your best zoom lens. Or you might try a fast refractor. The Orion ST80mm is a 400mm f5 lens for example.

....

AP is more about the mount and it's setup and management, then lots of long exposures combined in software (think extreme HDR).





At least HDR and stacking is something I know really well (shamless plug warning: you can checkout my site for the photo side of things - especially HDR.)

Seems like the mount is the biggest weakness (not to mention an f/12 lens!). It's so easy to forget how much better our are eyes compared to a camera when looking through an eyepiece.

I'd love to see/be told about a tracking mount I can put some canon gear on. I have some pretty high end canon gear (70-200 f/2.8L) and even access to some of the canon big boys (400 2.8, 500mm f/4, 800mm 5.6) through canon's CPS.

I have a ton of reading to do and don't quite understand how mounts and tracking drives work and what is good/better/best in the market.

Any recommendations for an astrophotography for beginners book?

By the way, i did manage to peek at venus last night before the clouds took over. Not much more than little circle (half moon really).


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6104208 - 09/27/13 01:15 PM

btw, i really liked your orion shot Big C.

Tony Flanders: i'm definitely looking forward to trying it with birds. I wish there was an easy way to mount the optical tube on a regular photographic tripod


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6104246 - 09/27/13 01:28 PM

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I'd love to see/be told about a tracking mount I can put some canon gear on. I have some pretty high end canon gear (70-200 f/2.8L) and even access to some of the canon big boys (400 2.8, 500mm f/4, 800mm 5.6) through canon's CPS.




The SkyView Pro mount is more than adequate for "piggyback photography," where you shoot through the camera's native lenses rather than through the telescope itself. At least that's true up to 200 mm; you might have more problems at 400 mm.

But there's a huge, huge difference between shooting through a 200-mm lens and a 1540-mm lens.

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I have a ton of reading to do and don't quite understand how mounts and tracking drives work and what is good/better/best in the market.

Any recommendations for an astrophotography for beginners book?




As a DSLR enthusiast, without a doubt the best book for you is the Backyard Astronomer's Guide. Co-author Alan Dyer is one of the best DSLR astrophotographers around.

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By the way, i did manage to peek at venus last night before the clouds took over. Not much more than little circle (half moon really).




Hey, you're supposed to be excited about that! This is much more interesting than Venus usually looks. Normally, it's just a tiny round circle.

It will get better over the next few months as it approaches its thin-crescent phase. But seeing any features on Venus is well-nigh impossible.

Jupiter is where the action is. It normally shows far more detail than all the other planets combined.


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6104349 - 09/27/13 02:18 PM

That isn't MY Orion shot I haven't posted any pics in this thread..Check the thread again.Orion is one of my favorite objects though.

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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Tony Flanders]
      #6104350 - 09/27/13 02:19 PM

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The SkyView Pro mount is more than adequate for "piggyback photography," where you shoot through the camera's native lenses rather than through the telescope itself. At least that's true up to 200 mm; you might have more problems at 400 mm.





That's awesome to know and I can't wait to try that bit out. how do you get a standard lens mounted on the rail?

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As a DSLR enthusiast, without a doubt the best book for you is the Backyard Astronomer's Guide. Co-author Alan Dyer is one of the best DSLR astrophotographers around.




Awesome, thank you! I'll pick that up this weekend (hopefully there's a kindle version).


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By the way, i did manage to peek at venus last night before the clouds took over. Not much more than little circle (half moon really).




Hey, you're supposed to be excited about that! This is much more interesting than Venus usually looks. Normally, it's just a tiny round circle.





I think I sounded a lot less enthused than i was! It was actually pretty cool to see and I got all the kids to come out to check it out. It was cloudy though and we fought the clouds between sightings. Also (shamed to admit) i'm spoiled by science fiction. Part of my brain is expecting giant planets with pew pew lasers around them whenever I look through the scope! I'll reprogram over time

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Jupiter is where the action is. It normally shows far more detail than all the other planets combined.




I'll have find jupiter, not sure where it will be relative to me, but i'll check it out on the Sky Guide app. it's a beautiful app, more for the causual observer wanting to know what that star up there is, but it works well (for now). I also wonder how much of Saturn I can see. It hasn't been dark enough to see it and it's been setting early.


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: BigC]
      #6104387 - 09/27/13 02:46 PM

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keydog,
If nothing else those pics have certainly lowered my expectations regarding the LT8.




That was my point. For AP it's really a non-starter. I could have taken the OTA off and threw it up on an Atlas or something like that.

Optically, the scope is quite good actually. BUT, the one armed bandit is definitely not for AP as the mount shakes a bit while tracking. Visually it's not a problem, but the camera picks it all up. Anti-vibrations pads helped a bit but it was just an exercise in frustration. It was also annoying that it would shake while focusing. The 8 is basically a bit too big for the mount and I've heard the 6 is much better on that mount. An LX90 would have been a better choice. This is a case where I should NOT have listened to the guy at the telescope shop. I think he underestimated my enthusiasm for astronomy, probably because my 5 year old son was there too and he thought it was a typical "family" scope. Since then I've spent another $7500 on scopes, so he read wrong!

I sold it and moved up to the C11. Much more stable and smooth. Also got a wedge for the C11, but haven't really had a chance to play with it. And then got the used 18" Obsession I couldn't pass up, so been doing visual observations with that!


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6104422 - 09/27/13 03:10 PM

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Many thanks for all the advice everyone. I ended up picking up the SVP yesterday. It's fairly portable and should let me do lunar & planetary just fine. I think it's a more than adequate starter scope. I have my own troop of kids, so who knows, a 2nd larger DOB can come later if everyone stays with it.

Venus lacks the wow factor for kids. Looks like a big star. Saturn should give a nice image if seeing is good, and they will LOVE seeing the rings! My wife and kids do! Lol!

By the way, I paid $330 for the scope, mount and 2 lenses.

I managed to align the finder with the scope by locating a radio tower near my house. Sadly, Venus had already set, I'll try again for tonight.

I have so many questions, but I'm going to start with reading the instructions so I can ask intelligent questions.

i'm also picking the camera adapter and t-ring. so i can begin experimenting.

One question: do I need a lunar filter?




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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: rnc39560]
      #6104466 - 09/27/13 03:42 PM

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Venus lacks the wow factor for kids. Looks like a big star. Saturn should give a nice image if seeing is good, and they will LOVE seeing the rings! My wife and kids do! Lol!





Seeing saturn would be something (I wonder if I can see it with a small scope like I have.) The sky has been overcast all day, hope it'll clear up by tonight.


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6104626 - 09/27/13 05:24 PM

The first time I saw Saturn in a telescope it was in the everyday Meade 114mm (4.5") newtonian reflector with *BLEEP* Hyugen eyepieces. It was still a WOW moment. You'll be able to see the rings with no problem. My wife and I thought someone had painted the view of Saturn on the scope. For some reason it just didn't seem real.

Your scope should have an even better view and with better eyepieces too!

Now I have an 18" scope and can see the division's in Saturn's rings. But it still never tops that first view I had!

Right now Saturn is quickly setting, so get out and see it while you still can. It was much better a few months ago as it was higher in the sky and not in the murky setting sun... but still will be good to see!

Jupiter is up early and you should be able to see the 4 moons and probably some cloud bands once it gets higher in the sky!


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Kevdog]
      #6105646 - 09/28/13 10:26 AM

wow Kevdog, that was totally inspiring. I read your post to my wife and she was totally blown away. I can find Venus and Saturn, I haven't been able to see Saturn yet. It's been setting so early and it's been really cloudy.

I'm hoping it's a clear night here in Orlando.

I have't even looked for where jupiter would be in the sky right now. I've been using Sky Guide as a basic tool to find stars & planets. I'm going to install stellerium today.

Is there anything else I should get?


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6105852 - 09/28/13 12:24 PM

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Venus lacks the wow factor for kids. Looks like a big star. Saturn should give a nice image if seeing is good, and they will LOVE seeing the rings! My wife and kids do! Lol!





Seeing saturn would be something (I wonder if I can see it with a small scope like I have.) The sky has been overcast all day, hope it'll clear up by tonight.


Saturn is a bright planet;you don't need a huge scope to see it.

My first view of Saturn and its rings was with a Zhumell Aurora 70mm several years ago;image was tiny but sharp.Saturn,Mars,Venus,Jupiter,and even Uranus and Neptune are identifiable and visible in small scopes .Greater detail comes with each increase in objective size and the concurrent ability to use higher magnification.Saturn is a bright object easily visible as another "star"in even my 25mm binoculars .I am certain you can see a tiny image of Saturn complete with ring using a 50mm telescope at 100x.Such telescopes as the Vivitar sold in drug and dollar stores ,the Celestron and Meade, and other 50mm f12 scopes with an achromatic objective can actually give that first ,although quite limited, view of the planets ,and will still be better than what Galileo had!


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6108494 - 09/30/13 12:22 AM

You welcome! Actually I was referring to the finder scope, which I align on Polaris because it does not move and it's visible from the locations where I observe. A polar alignment scope is definitely good to have if you are going to use digital setting circles or do astronomical photography, but it's not necessary for visual observing. Since you are planning to do just that, having one will only help you.

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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Malux]
      #6109116 - 09/30/13 11:43 AM

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wow Kevdog, that was totally inspiring. I read your post to my wife and she was totally blown away. I can find Venus and Saturn, I haven't been able to see Saturn yet. It's been setting so early and it's been really cloudy.

I'm hoping it's a clear night here in Orlando.

I have't even looked for where jupiter would be in the sky right now. I've been using Sky Guide as a basic tool to find stars & planets. I'm going to install stellerium today.

Is there anything else I should get?




Sagittarius (the teapot) is loaded with DSOs and is still up for quite a while. You can view Saturn (weather permitting) and Venus as well, then head on over to the teapot. If you need some charts you can print out basic ones here.
http://www.atmob.org/library/member/skymaps_jsmall.html

Here is the specific one for Sagittarius:
http://www.atmob.org/library/member/skymaps/MAP10.PDF

I bagged M22, M28, M24 and several others with just my 15x70 binoculars, so your scope should have no problem.

Also in the east is M31, the Andromeda galaxy. Use your lowest power for the widest field of view here as it's HUGE. When I first saw it in my C11, I wasn't that impressed. But that's because I was so zoomed in I was only seeing the core of the galaxy, so it looked like a globular cluster!

Here's an easy finder chart and this is how I found it last night in the binocs. I use the 2 stars from Cassiopeia to point the way.
http://www.space.com/7426-starhopping-101-find-andromeda-galaxy.html

And if you stay up late (3am+) or get up early (but I'm a night person), then you can see Jupiter rising in the east and the Orion Nebula is also up that time (m42). It is probably the most impressive nebula out there (or at least the easiest impressive one to see/find). It's in the sword of orion.
http://www.atmob.org/library/member/skymaps/MAP2.PDF

There's so much to see... it's hard to decide where to look.

I just picked up the Pocket Sky Atlas which is a great reference for finding objects. Some star charts have too many stars and it gets confusing. This one seems "just right" for beginners with a telescope.

Also found the TriAtlas in free PDF form.
http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/triatlas.html

It has 3 levels.

  • The "A" charts are similar to the Pocket Star Atlas above, but with a few more stars. (21 pages)
  • The "B" charts are more detailed with many many more stars listed. (103 pages)
  • The "C" charts are very very detailed with so many stars it's hard to know where you are until you really get the hang of it. These are useful for picking things like comets or asteroids out of a star field as you find the one that doesn't belong! (566 pages)


Hopefully that helps. Starting out it can all be overwhelming, but soon you get the hang of it and feel more comfortable. I was worried about starhopping when I bought my dob, but after a few tries and getting better I gained confidence. The other night I went looking for a comet. Turns out it was too faint to see even with my 18" in suburban skies. But I was able to identify the star field on the star charts well enough that I was SURE I was looking in the right spot. Took me 40 mins to be sure of that, but it was a good feeling to be that confident!


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Re: Is this a good deal: Orion SkyView Pro 127mm? new [Re: Kevdog]
      #6113533 - 10/02/13 04:41 PM

that's awesome kevdog, thank you! I was able to see the rings of saturn yesterday with a 10mm eyepiece. That was absolutely incredible.

What was also incredible is how much closer venus is but how little it looks compared to saturn. Conceptually I know all this (reading books, etc) but it's still a discovery to see it.

i hope it's a clear night again tonight. i'll see what I can see in saggitarius and maybe andromeda. I'm looking from my backyard so there's a good deal of LP

Thanks again for all the help.


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