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Very First Impressions: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s
      #1019073 - 06/27/06 05:35 PM

I've been in the market for an upscale (at least for me ) handheld. I've looked at and through many Nikons, Fujinons and Steiners but decided to try the new Garrett Grizzly, a tailored import of the United-Optics Series 8. I received these yesterday and, as luck would have it, we've had two days of non-stop rain. So here's just some very first impressions based on appearances and some daylight observing.

First, these are big, solid and weighty binocs. They provide a good heft and they feel steady. If you're like me and are more comfortable holding a Porro design than a roof prism, these won't dissappoint. The green coloring doesn't do anything for me - binoculars, especially for astronomy, just ought to be black . The eyepiece cover is one of the new style with that flexible hinge that works well, while the objective covers are rubber inserts that are "hinged" (with a rubber strip) so that they're held in place on the binocs - dangling from the ends when not in use. This is convenient - you'll never go searching for them in the dark - but I have mixed feelings about the appearance of it.

Looking at the objectives and eyepieces, I have never seen glass this beautiful. Holding the binocs pointed up and looking through the objectives, you get a sense of two mesmerizingly clear deep pools of liquid with the blackest of blacks on the edges and the sharpest of images (usually of my shoes) at the bottom of the pools. The imagery is so strong I found myself being careful not to tilt and "spill" them. There is no noticeable reflection directly back. When tilted to catch background lighting from an angle there were translucent reflections of light fixtures in pale purple and green.

The eyepieces are large and the eyeglass is among the largest I've seen. The left exit pupil is perfectly round and sharp edged, but the right exit pupil has a very slight edge visible in the upper left. After noticing this, when I viewed through the objectives again, I could see something just slightly impinging on the light path.

The individual focusers are very solid - no sense of the eyepieces wobbling or loose. They're stiff but smooth once turning and easy to adjust in use. These are not meant for terrestrial viewing where the focus is constantly changing - the individual focus wants to be set and left rather than constantly adjusted for each eye.

That being said, there's no sense looking at clouds at night (would rather be writing?) so my viewing has been limited to the woods behind my house and some careful looking around the neighborhood - I already have a reputation as "the binocular guy", I'd rather not extend it to "the weird guy with the binoculars".

But looking through these in daytime has been a treat - especially comparing them to my Meade 10x50 Travelviews. I'd always thought those provided pretty good daytime views. But by comparison, the Grizzlys were much brighter and with a uniform level of brightness that extended across the field. The collimation seemed fine - especially in comparison to the Meades which seem to need adjusting in conditional alignment everytime I pick them up. The colors in the Grizzlys were richer without being exaggerated. The drastically improved sharpness - right down to the veins in the leaves - was obvious and also uniform across the field. While focusing you don't have that sense of "snap to focus" that you get in a some refractors - instead you're rewarded with steadily more detail and depth until suddenly you know "you're there". The views are incredibly three dimensional. I can't wait for some clear dark sky.

All that being said, I do have a problem with these that may prevent me from keeping them. The IPD is adjustable and seems to have plenty of range. But my eyes are set fairly close together - I've never measured my IPD, but I tend to be at the narrow end of most binocs so I'm probably down in the fifties somewhere. And I have a broad nose at the ridge between my eyes. Combined with the very large eyepieces on the Grizzlys, the geometry just doesn't seem to work - there's not enough room to squeeze the bridge of my nose between these large eyepieces unless they're set so far apart that they form two separate images . Alternately, I can set the eyepieces at the correct IPD but then have to stay back so far that I can't see the full field of view . I'll have to see how they actually feel at night before I decide.

So first impressions are very positive - the glass is impressive, the mechanical quality is evident, they seem more rugged than any others I've held - with only a few negatives - they are heavy and they may not fit my face. I like them alot - but not enough to get a nose job in order to use them.

- Art

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Re: Very First Impressions: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: Art Fritzson]
      #1019135 - 06/27/06 06:08 PM

Art ,

Your first impressions report , superbly written as always , contains at least TWO ( and probably many more ) of what I consider to be VERY important points .

Your comparisons with the Meade Travelviews , I hope will help SOME readers here to better UNDERSTAND what I'm SURE EdZ was TRYING to say in his post which led to a little unsavouriness in a recent thread which ended up being locked .

There ARE differences , subtle and incremental as they may appear to be to SOME users , between binoculars from different price brackets .

Your point about GEOMETRY of the users' faces HAVING to work WITH any given model is one which our friend Brock has consistently brought to our attention for YEARS now .

As with EYE RELIEF , IPD range is one of these kind of aspects of ANY binoculars which is absolutely CRUCIAL .

These are just SOME of the reasons why it is always preferable to TRY before you buy .

I KNOW that in many cases , products can be returned for refunds or exchanged for other goods , etc. -- but to me , even THAT is a HASSLE I prefer to live without .

Thanks again for a fine report , Art

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Re: Very First Impressions: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1019147 - 06/27/06 06:16 PM

Art, I think I have the same IPD, nose bridge structure you have (ain't we gorgeous?). It is why I had to trade my 40X100 ObieBT for my 25X100 Obie BT upgrade. Though I kept my old set for over three years, they never really did work properly for me. These Grizzlies sound great, but it sounds like they were not designed for you.

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Re: Very First Impressions: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1019174 - 06/27/06 06:36 PM

Kenny,

You're right about the quality issue. I think that if I'd tried the Meades and the Grizzlys side by side a few years ago, the differences would have been less obvious. It's only after some observing experience that I can start to discern the differences - and having seen the differences, now I'm never completely satisfied with what I have.

I'd also love to "try before I buy" but there is an amazing dearth of optical retailers here. And the Internet exposes you to so many choices that, if you're as compulsive as I am, you don't want your choices constrained by a retailer. So in the end, I find lower prices and then wind up paying full retail thorugh the accumulating shipping and return fees. Oh well, it's just part of the hobby these days.

Thanks for the kind words Kenny.

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Re: Very First Impressions: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: Art Fritzson]
      #1019186 - 06/27/06 06:46 PM

Art -

Thanks for sharing. I'm watching the GO/Obie websites like a hawk...waiting for news of larger Grizzly/Ultra offerings. You review of the 10x50 makes me hopeful about the 22x85, should it be offered. It's a pity you may not be able to use your pair due to IPD. My concern is ER, since I wear glasses. It would be nice to have "average" facial dimensions and 20/20 vision - then IPD and ER would be of little importance.

I look forward to hearing about their performance under the stars - when the clouds finally vacate.

Clear dark skies....

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Re: Very First Impressions: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #1019208 - 06/27/06 07:12 PM

I have to admit, right off the bat, I don't have extensive experience with binoculars, but are there some possible 'work-arounds' for the IPD problem?
Like rotate your head down a bit and roll your eyes up the same amount, thereby bringing your snout further out of reach of the impinging parts of the binoculars?
Or, might there be additional clearance if the binocualrs were held upside down?
Well, now that I go look at pictures at the Garret and Bigbinoculars sites I see that the upside down thing is a non starter.

Optically, they sound quite promising. I have my eye on the 15x70 units. I probably have a similar IPD problem (I think I'll try measuring in the mirror tonight) as I close my Ultraviews in most of the way to reach proper spacing.
Could be different between the 10x50 and the 15x70 though... nope, the Garrett site has more detailed specs listed and shows 56-74mm IPD range for all the Grizzly line (50mm & 70mm anyway).

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Re: Very First Impressions: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #1019216 - 06/27/06 07:17 PM

Of all the issues for sending them back, I'd be more bothered by the clipped exit pupil. Makes me wonder if Garrett's in house optical man checked these prior to shipping. A $280 bino should have round exit pupils.

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Re: Very First Impressions: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #1019220 - 06/27/06 07:20 PM

Hi Art:

I recognize the bino as one I've been intending to stock. Your report is good. Do keep in mind that you have something that the buyers of most binoculars don't have--Cory.

I don't want to get another flame Bill session going by even attempting to mention the GREAT repair facilities that actually send their work out to . . .

However, with Cory working for Garrett, you can be sure if you have a problem with the binocular, it will come back NAVY collimated, not "let's get it in the box" collimated.

Ah, ain't piece of mind great?

Enjoy.

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Re: Very First Impressions: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: BillC]
      #1019273 - 06/27/06 07:47 PM

That clipped exit pupil can be measured and sometimes it is found to be only 2-3%. I would note it, but I have binocuars that have a 5% clip and I haven't rejected them.

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Re: Very First Impressions: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: EdZ]
      #1019314 - 06/27/06 08:16 PM

Ed, I agree. The "clipping" seems very minimal and doesn't seem to reduce the brightness or edge performance of the right barrel. I have to admit that I'm curious as to why it's there at all - that is, why is it on one side and not the other?

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Re: Very First Impressions: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: Art Fritzson]
      #1019335 - 06/27/06 08:40 PM

Most often, I have seen this as a result of a prism being not seated properly on the prism shelf. The prism is shifted to one side, the edge of the prism spans the hole rather than the hole covering the complete face of the prism. A portion of the light entering the prism hole is not captured by a prism, it misses the side of the prism. The edge shows as a straight edge clipping the exit pupil.

The other possible cause is that the side of the prism closest to the objective protrudes into the light path in front of the prism hole, blocking light before it ever reaches the hole. however, the first explanation is seen most of the time.

The magnitude of light loss for a 5mm exit pupil is approximately

edited

with a 1mm clip into the exit pupil, the loss seems really great becuase you will see a line 4mm long along one edge of the exit pupil. The loss is 14%. I have never seen any binocular with a clip that large.

with a 0.5mm clip into the exit pupil, the line would be only 3mm long and the area loss is only 5%

edited, I revised these values, at forst I did quick and dirty math. These are the real percent losses for a chord that clips this much.

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Re: Very First Impressions: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: EdZ]
      #1019419 - 06/27/06 09:46 PM

Quote:

I have binocuars that have a 5% clip and I haven't rejected them.

edz




Hmmm, maybe the advise given in the "Best of- Testing Binoculars in the Store Before Buying" needs to be revised then? Specifically this advise; "Look very closely at the exit pupil for any straight edges cutting into the round exit pupil. Extrememly small edges cut off of the round exit pupil won't do much harm, but in a premium binocular reject any with edge cuts."

I would think if these are expected to be the "Fuji killers" as some are hoping, that I would at least want completely round exit pupils in my $280 10x50.

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Re: Very First Impressions: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: Rick]
      #1019528 - 06/27/06 10:46 PM

In my mind, the question regarding the "exit pupil clippage" should be : is this a typical or atypical sample of the binocular? If it is the former, then it is a design issue. If it's atypical, then it's a QC issue.

Art states that the clipped exit pupil is only evident on the right side. This leads me to believe it's a QC issue and not an intentional design element. If it both exit pupils were identical, then perhaps it would be some kind of stop in the ep to increase the view quality?

If memory serves me correctly, aren't all of the Grizzly models inspected and certified before ship? If so, perhaps the issue is easily addressable by having GO's competent optical man fine tune it.

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Re: Very First Impressions: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #1019708 - 06/28/06 01:07 AM

< Most often, I have seen this as a result of a prism being not seated properly on the prism shelf. The prism is shifted to one side, the edge of the prism spans the hole rather than the hole covering the complete face of the prism. A portion of the light entering the prism hole is not captured by a prism, it misses the side of the prism. The edge shows as a straight edge clipping the exit pupil.

The other possible cause is that the side of the prism closest to the objective protrudes into the light path in front of the prism hole, blocking light before it ever reaches the hole. however, the first explanation is seen most of the time. >

I wish EVERY " technical " explanation I ever read , related to binoculars , were as clear and precise as this ! :-)

Well explained , Ed !

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Re: Very First Impressions: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1019864 - 06/28/06 06:20 AM

Probably half of all the binoculars I have seen suffer from this at least to a minor degree. Some examples:
Pentax PCF III 12x50 3-4%
Orion Ultraview 10x50 6-7%
Minolta Activa 7x35 5-6%
Minolta standard XL 12x50 6-7%
Orion Giant 16x80 4-5%
Garrett Gemini 20x80 2-3%
Oberwerk Mariner 10x60 1-2%
Orion MiniGiant 15x63 4-5%
Pentax PCF WP 10x50 3-4%
Orion Vista 8x42 2-3%
Anttler Optic 20x80 2-3%
William Optic 7x50ED 1%
Oberwerk 15x70 1-2%
Burgess LW 20x80 3-4%
Oberwerk 25x100 IF 1-2%


Not seen in 2 Fujinon FMT-SXs, Nikon SE 12x50, 3 Nikon AEs, Oberwerk BT, Swift Ultralite, 2 of 3 Oberwerk 15x70s, Oberwrk 20x80 Standard.

This whole issue was explained 2-3 years ago. it can be found in the Best Of under Aberrations and Deficiencies - Prism Light Cutoff. Shows Pictures of a severe case. This was always a serious issue with the Miyauchi clones.

As far as
"If it both exit pupils were identical, then perhaps it would be some kind of stop in the ep to increase the view quality?"

If it shows up in both exit pupils, then both prisms are shifted on the prism shelf, or potentially both prisms are too narrow for the prism shelf aperture.

You would never put a straight edge stop in a binocular to cut off just one edge of an exit pupil. It would not increase view quality at all.

I cannot imagine ANY dealer would take on disassembly of binoculars to remove the prism assembly, reset the prism on the shelf, recharging, reassembly and recollimation. This would be unwarranted expense, making the binocular unaffordable.


This advice is already included as a part of the Best Of post -
What To Look For in the Store Before Buying
"Look down inside the binocular through the objective lens. In the circular metal ring that surrounds the prism face, you should not see any prism edges exposed. Also you should not see any sides of the other prisms protruding into the light path."

It is much easier to see the prism edge at the shelf opening than to see the front prism protruding into the light path. Also, I find it easier to see this deficiency by looking into the objective end rather than scrutinizing the tiny 5mm exit pupil. This is the best reason I can think of for shining a flashlight down into the objective end of a binocular. However, once found, I do measure it at the exit pupil, if I can. It's almost impossible to measure it when it's only about 1-2%, so my values of 1-2% are estimates.



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They're going back: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: EdZ]
      #1023519 - 06/30/06 01:55 PM

I spent an evening with the new 10x50s and it was very frustrating, This really is premium glass in every sense of the word - it brought out colors more clearly than anything else I've used and the contrast and detail were superb. The field was uniform in sharpness and clarity with only very minor edge degradation - when viewed one eye at a time. The frustration for me was being unable to appreciate this with two eyes - I just couldn't get the eps close enough to my eyes without bumping into my nose - the resulting view was limited to about 80-90% of the AFOV.

Oh well, they're going back.

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Re: They're going back: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: Art Fritzson]
      #1023650 - 06/30/06 03:47 PM

Hi Art:

Knowing that that instrument looks quite a bit like the flat-field Fuji, I looked in my case to see if Cory (at Garrett) could get you where you need to be by shaving down part of the upper hinge. However, when the FMT was depressed ALL THE WAY, there was just under .25 inches between the diopter rings. So, that wouldn't buy you much IPD.

From what I have heard, though, the Garretts are beefier. Thus, they may have more room for tweaking.

Just a thought.

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Re: They're going back: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: BillC]
      #1023805 - 06/30/06 05:32 PM

Bill,

Thanks for checking, but I don't think this is a problem that can be fixed at the hinge. I can set the right IPD. The problem then is the size (diameter) of the eyepieces - ther'e just not enough space between them (with my great honker of a nose)to get close enough to them to see the whole FOV. See this picture on the WO website to see what I mean.

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Re: They're going back: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: Art Fritzson]
      #1023820 - 06/30/06 05:36 PM

Well, there's always the Roto-Zip! ;-)

Besides, I've always heard scars are manly. I wouldn't know, personally; what with being a coward, and all.

Cheers,

Bill

P.S. Is this a problem you've had with a lot of binos?

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Re: They're going back: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: BillC]
      #1023896 - 06/30/06 06:51 PM

Art-

Is an adjustment to the eyecup out of the question? Perhaps you could purchase eyecups such as these :

I've thought about doing this myself. Even though I don't really have a problem using regular binoculars, it would still be preferable having the eyecups fan out to the side.

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Re: They're going back: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: Photo Guy]
      #1023924 - 06/30/06 07:18 PM

Quote:

P.S. Is this a problem you've had with a lot of binos?




Bill, no, this is a first. All the others (at least in my signature line) haven't been a problem.

Quote:

Perhaps you could purchase eyecups such as these





Mike, the eyecups would help block out the extra light, but they wouldn't actually get my eyes any closer to the lenses - so I'd still only see part of the view.

Thanks -

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Re: They're going back: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: Art Fritzson]
      #1023939 - 06/30/06 07:26 PM

Hey Art....

How about a nose job??



Seriously, you would have problems with my 25x150s also. The eps are about 2 inches in diameter. I have a 63mm IPD and can BARELY fit the bridge of my skinny nose in between to achieve full fov.


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Re: They're going back: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: Mr. Bill]
      #1023969 - 06/30/06 07:53 PM

Mr. Bill, if you want to send over those Fuji 25x150s, my nose will be fixed and waiting....

I think this may be a limitation I have to live with - all the high end Fujinons I've looked at seem to have those same large diameter eyepieces.

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Re: They're going back: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: Art Fritzson]
      #1024025 - 06/30/06 08:34 PM

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Perhaps you could purchase eyecups such as these





Mike, the eyecups would help block out the extra light, but they wouldn't actually get my eyes any closer to the lenses - so I'd still only see part of the view.




My Fuji 16x70 came with eyecup wings and I had to take them off. My IPD is ~65mm and I think I have a "normal" nose.

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Re: They're going back: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: Art Fritzson]
      #1024313 - 06/30/06 11:48 PM

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Mr. Bill, if you want to send over those Fuji 25x150s, my nose will be fixed and waiting.... - Art




Fixed! . . . FIXED!!! For those, I'd have my nose REMOVED! It would improve my oxygen supply, and duct tape could be used to hold my glasses on!

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Re: They're going back: Garrett Grizzly 10x50s new [Re: BillC]
      #1024419 - 07/01/06 01:40 AM

Quote:

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Mr. Bill, if you want to send over those Fuji 25x150s, my nose will be fixed and waiting.... - Art




Fixed! . . . FIXED!!! For those, I'd have my nose REMOVED! It would improved my oxygen supply, and duct tape could be used to hold my glasses on!




Hey, the 150s are nice glass....but not worth self mutilation.


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