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25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Perseus
      #1150872 - 09/16/06 11:46 AM

WARNING : VERY LONG

I had fruitful (and fun) observing session last night. I had been cautiously watching the weather predictions for the last two days, paying close attention to the GOES Water Vapor images. (Thanks again to fellow CN member Phil Creed for giving me a crash education in atmospheric science!)

The local weathermen had been forecasting a cool front of northerly air passing through our area, bringing lower temps and humidity. The front was supposed to pass through Thursday, but it stalled and a mass of moisture-laden air remained parked over Terrebonne Parish. Finally, late yesterday afternoon, the front arrived. Suddenly the winds shifted, and a cool breeze blew in from the north. The temperature dropped noticeably and the air began to dry out. The normally damp Louisiana air gave way to autumn-like crispness (well almost) that typically signals low humidity and dewpoint. That development was promising, so I decided to watch the weather carefully, online and outside in the yard.

Strangely, almost everything online predicted horrible observing. The Clear Sky Clock showed significant cloud cover, poor transparency and poor seeing. GOES AOD models showed a very poor aerosol optical depth (AOD), which is a good gauge of transparency. EPA air-quality monitoring stations around SE Louisiana were also showing poor air quality readings with high levels of ozone and particulates. So, the online computer models predicted bad observing, but mother nature and my own gut told me "maybe".

As late afternoon wore on, the sky was generally clear and blue with a few passing clouds. When the sun did finally set, the sky looked like it does on the majority of summer nights - clear but too hazy to observe. Everything low on the horizon in all directions was whitish-hazy soup. But directly overhead, the strip of sky around the zenith was very clear and dark by contrast. Around 9:00pm, when the sun had finally and fully set, a breeze picked up again and some of the haziness began to clear. I went inside and made one last check of the GOES Water Vapor image. Sure enough, the trough of dry air had finally dipped down into the lower reaches of Louisiana, arriving over Houma (just barely!) ... A region of dark black sitting over the SE United States was clearly visible on the image, contrasting against the patchwork of white sworls and masses around it. My sky was inside the clear black area, just barely as Houma sat near the western boundary of this dry air mass.

I gathered up all of my gear, went outside, set up my blackout blinds and started getting my vision dark adapted.

This time out I brought my new S&T Pocket Atlas, planisphere, notepad, red-light pen, cigar, 8x42 binocular, and a 4-pack of Starbucks chilled Frappucinos.

The Celestron Skymaster 25x100 was mounted, as usual, on the AstroWood HD parallelogram and Raytheon heavy surveyor.

Friday, September 15, 2006. 9:00pmCST - 12:30amCST.
My backyard in Houma Louisiana.
About 80F degrees, 55% humidity (that's low for here)
CSC Transparency scale : 1/10 poor.
CSC Seeing scale : 3/5 average.
Actual observed transparency : 5/10 average.
Actual observed seeing : 3/5 average.


I have no view of the western horizon from my backyard. In fact, the entire western sky is unusuable due to a mixture of trees, power poles/lines, buildings, streetlights, and skyglow. So, once a constellation passes the zenith and begins to sink into the west, it is totally lost to me until next season. Unless I take a ride out to another observing site, which is rare. Cygnus is now in the "endangered" position - at sunset it is already near the zenith, and by 10:00pm it is already starting it's westward march. So, if I want to catch Cygnus now, I have to be setup and ready to go as soon as darkness falls. Given the poor observing weather that has dominated this summer, I knew last night might be my last chance to get a good look at Cygnus before next year. I was determined to spend some quality time with the Swan, and that was going to mean - neck torture.

While having a parallelogram mount is a boon, and it generally makes observing much easier, it does little to alleviate the neck/spine torture that is associated with viewing targets near/on the zenith. Even though the binocular is suspended above my head and off to the side of the tripod, it is still necessary to sit under the binocular and crane one's neck all the way back to see through the eyepieces. While I am relatively-young (I guess 36 qualifies?) and my neck is in good physical condition, I cannot maintain such a position for more than a few short minutes at a time without looking away and stretching my neck. Bearing this in mind, I took a preventative dose of ibuprofen and a shot of Kentucky bourbon to dull the pain in advance.

While waiting for my eyes to dark adapt, I did some free-wheeling around the sky. I did sweeping scans of the area in and around the Summer Triangle of Altair, Deneb, and Vega. All three of these bright beacons have aesthetically-pleasing starfields around them, and it is a pleasure just to casually sweep through and let the random strings and dots guide the eye : doubles, clumps, knots, helixes, strings, and the occasional lone star isolated from the rest by an apparent inky moat. There is a strange order to the randomness, if that makes any sense. That sense of order arises from a mass of coincidental alignments dictated by my orientation to the sky, and then my brain sets to work making sense out of the vast vistas of points by arranging them into strings and clumps. At any rate, before I digress to the point of making no sense at all, let's just say I had a lot of fun waiting for my dark adaption to complete itself.

Finally, I began to notice that fainter and fainter stars were coming into view. My dark adaption was complete, so I set out to find some old friends. First, I concentrated on Cygnus.

Cygnus is an area of the sky that can be quite rewarding (to say the least) for an observer blessed with dark skies and big aperture. Cygnus is a region packed with DSO targets of all types from all catalogs. But, limited to 25x magnification, twin 100mm of aperture, and NELM 4.4 skies, many of those targets are either invisible or appear as stellar. Given that Cygnus was near the zenith, I decided against hunting down any new objects. Instead, I visited old friends. Albireo was a treat, as always.

M39 is a cluster that would be more impressive, were it not placed in such beautiful surroundings. The entire area around Deneb (in the direction of Lacerta and Cepheus) is absolutely splendid at lower power in a wide-field view. Attempting to do a star count on M39 would be futile for this novice observer. Likewise for identifying some of the many NGC/IC open clusters in this area, which includes : NGCs 7044, 7039, 7062, 7082, 7209, 7243, 7086, 7128, and IC 1369. Two of these, NGC 7209 and 7243 are on the AL Deep Sky Binocular and Urban lists, so I must return here eventually to positively identify these two clusters.

What I said about M39 also holds true for M29. Although M29 by any measure is less impressive than M39, it still suffers from the same "problem" - being surrounded by packed star fields full of gems and jewels. In this context, M29 is a tiny sprite of cluster, lost in a sea of glittering points.

While looking at my Pocket Atlas charts (chart 73 in this case), I took a moment to chuckle inwardly at the masses of nebulae plotted on the chart. Betwixt Sadr and Cepheus, there are several nebulae that are considered spectacular (or at least interesting) under dark skies. All of these tenuous targets were completely obliterated by urban skyglow and my chances of glimpsing them (even under averted vision) were nil. I sighed and moved on.

Recalling Steve Coe's "What's Up Cepheus", I decided to linger and lollygag around the House of Cepheus for a while. Cepheus is another constellation that I am just beginning to get familiar with. My brief stargazing career, up until now, has concentrated on the areas of the sky that my local observing limitations dictate. My best views are to the east and south. West is off limits and north is partially obstructed. Cepheus is one of those areas that is sometimes obstructed by my house or by a large crape myrtle tree in our backyard. As the night wore on, Cassiopeia and Cepheus were revealed from behind the tree and I could see the majority of both constellations.
So I went for the heart of Cepheus and started sweeping around the inside of the "house". I suspected NGC 7142, although I am not sure because it's integrated magnitude is quite faint (9.3) and it's brightest members are 3 mag-10 stars, while the rest are fainter than 12. I cannot say I saw this object, but I definitely suspected a tiny little knot of "something" right where this object is plotted in the atlas.

I also saw a miniature Cassiopeia asterism in Cepheus. It looked exactly like a smaller version of the "W" shape in Cass. It was quite pleasing and I vaguely recall it being mentioned somewhere on CN.

Without knowing what it was or what it looked like, I tried to find Herschel's Garnet Star, which is plotted on the chart. I expected to see a red star, but I didn't see one. No red, no garnet, or anything in-between. At least, not that I could see. But I did spy a pretty little blue-white tight double in the general vicinity.

Cygnus called me back, so I wandered back over to the Swan and visited Albireo again. Then I took a short hop to have a look at the Coathander (Cr399). I counted no less than 20 stars, but don't quote me on that. I tried not to include field stars, but determining which was which was not easy. A tiny knot of faint stars nearby was NGC 6802. From the edge of the field, with averted vision, it appeared nebulous. It caught my eye as I looked away from Cr399. When I looked directly at it (or more directly) it lost the appearance of nebulosity and it appeared as 3 faint stars in roughly triangular arrangement. With effort and averted vision, 3 or 4 more very faint members would reveal themselves for fleeting moments. I think I saw 7 in total. 6802 is not much to write home about at 25x, but it's an easy target to bag given it's proximity to Cr399. At mag 8.8, it's brightest members are in the mag-11 to mag-13 range. This cluster is rich in very faint members (according to reports), and I feel confident I did see it with full dark adaption and knowing exactly where to look. Also, descriptions of the surrounding field, including the dispositon of a nearby double, helped confirm the sighting.

ZOOM! A bright meteor streaked through from the direction of Vulpecula and I followed it eastward across the sky until it vanished into the murky skyglow low on the eastern horizon. It was a bright burnt-yellow ball of light, not visible to the naked eye, but plainly visible in the 25x100 binocular. This was about 10:45pm. I made the usual wish, and no, I cannot say what that is.

I traced my way back to the area of the Coathanger and while panning around I stumbled across M71. While not particularly impressive, it did reveal itself as an obvious fluff ball of faint bluish-white light. Typical faint fuzzy. But, it was a new target for me. So it upped my Messier total to 52. (*There was much rejoicing...*)

Ok, well it's getting late in the morning, I need my second cup of coffee and my stomach is starting to growl. So I will briefly summarize the rest of the evening. Later I will come back and edit in some more details from my notes, including an extended handheld session from a recliner with the 8x42 Bushnell Audubon.

Other targets seen : M57 Ring Nebula (small and faint, nearly stellar), M31 (bright core only), NGC 457 (Nazgul Cluster), Mel20 (Alpha Persei), NGCs 869 and 884 (Double Cluster), and another bright meteor.

I also tried repeatedly (and valiantly I might add!) to detect M27, but I failed, and failed, and failed again.

Clear dark skies...now more coffee...more later...

MikeG

EDIT :

I am not 100% sure I was looking in the right place for M27. I need to do my homework a little more on M27 before trying to detect it again. I had not planned on hunting down new targets, but I took the opportunity to do so when given the chance. In the case of M27, I figured I would go for it. I had accidentally found M71 without trying, and M27 is not far away, so I repeatedly scanned the area trying to locate it. I laid out a mental search grid and systematically did long sweeps through each part of the grid. I'd stop and apply averted vision, looking for subtle variations in the sky background that might betray a faint object. But I saw nothing I could positively identify.

Since planetaries were the order of the day (or moment), I decide to try for M57 again. M57 is a tough target in my skies, and I figured I'd use it to gauge my chances with M27. I wheeled around into Lyra, and there it was. Faint, and nearly stellar, but unmistakable. Then, without thinking, and for no apparent reason, I swung around and looked right at Vega. My dark adaptation winced. I looked away and saw a colorful little phantom Vega spot in my field of vision. Great. I had damaged my adaptation by looking straight at a Mag 0 star. Duh. I took this as a cue to take a little break. I got up, stretched my aching back, and rubbed my neck which was protesting quite fiercely. I also noticed that my Stellarvue RDF was starting to dew up. My objectives and eyepieces were OK though (4" dew shields on the objectives helps) ...

I closed one eye, walked out from behind the blind, and went to retrive the reclining lounge chair. I dragged it through the yard to the dark area behind the blind. Then I kicked my feet up and relaxed. Closing both eyes, I lit my cigar, and took up the 8x42 Bushnell Audubons for some casual sweeping. I reclined back as far as I could go and scanned many of the exact same areas I had just previously done with the 25x100. For comparison, I re-visited some of the same targets to compare the views.

M31 was easily visible through the little handhelds. It was smaller, of course, and no trace of the extended halo or arms was seen.

Mel 20, the Alpha Persei Association was quite interesting in the 8x42. In the 25x100 it appears as a well-populated and sprawling cluster that defies containment in a restricted 2.5 degree FOV. In the 8x42, it appears as an elongated chain of stars, something like a helix, that runs from N to S. It looked like a flowing stream of stars. I actually liked the view better through the 8x42, for it had the context of the surrounding fields and a more coherent aesthetic.

About this time I caught another meteor. This one did not appear as bright as the first (although the first was viewed at 25x100), and it was not naked eye. It appeared to originate from Camelopardalis in the north and streaked towards the south. I watched it until it passed directly overhead and behind me. Neither of the nights meteors showed any fragmentation or sparks.

I resumed my hand held scans, passing through Cepheus, Cassiopeia (where I could not discern NGC 457 through the 8x42), Andromeda, Perseus, and back to Cygnus which was now past the zenith and slipping slowly into the western murk. For kicks I turned to Albireo and it was suspected strongly, but the swaying of my arms refused to allow a clean split. I sank further down into the chair and brought the binos directly against my brow line, letting the rolled up eyecup sit just above my glasses. Holding the tubes by the objectives, and bracing my elbows on the armrests, I was able to cleanly split Albireo at 8x! It was tiny, the golden hue a little less golden than in the 25x100, but it was split into two clean points barely seperated by the thinnest of margins.

After another 20-30 minutes of casual scanning, I planned on getting back to the 25x100. But when I got out of the chair, my back groaned. The ibuprofen and bourbon (strictly for medicinal purposes mind you) had worn off and now I could the feel effects of 2+ hours riding the zenith. My whole rig was covered in a fine misting of dew, so I decided to pack it in. It took me about 10 minutes to break everything down in the dark (which is quite routine now that I do it mindlessly while naked eye stargazing and ruminating on my night's observations), then I had one last look at towards the east before going in.

Clear dark skies...

MikeG

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Edited by Glassthrower (09/16/06 05:58 PM)


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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Perseus new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #1150967 - 09/16/06 12:50 PM

Mike, if you saw M71 then for sure M27 should be within your reach. Is it remotely possible you're not looking in the right spot and/or expecting something bigger? I find it easily going from the tip of the arrow (Sagitta) and perpendicular to it.

PS nice report!

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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Perseus new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #1150971 - 09/16/06 12:52 PM

Beautiful report, Mike, and I envy your window through the clouds and a good night!

The ClearSky Clock for Centrally Inaccessable, PA (today home to the 3rd largest city in PA, at least until later this evening) shows *some* clearing tonight, but with humidity in the brick-color range. And this, mind you, is the most optimistic it's looked in what feels like weeks!

I'll venture out with my 20x80s, if only to get a good look at the lunar terminator before everything starts dripping. If conditions permit, I'll take a gander at Cygnus as well (pardon the choice of words...) - it's a real reasure trove, and on a really dark night it's enough to keep one from going elsewhere for quite a while.

Great report - please keep writing!

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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Perseus new [Re: mplkn1]
      #1151031 - 09/16/06 01:31 PM

Hello Mike,

I fed the mosquitos for a short time last night, too. It was an okay night and I used my little 6" f4, pseudo-Astroscan , at about 30X.

It seemed a little foggy at high altitude, judging by the amount of light scatter, but I don't know what a good night looks like from my back yard, yet. I believe I have seen it better, though. I could see Albireo plainly and maybe a magnitude fainter with averted vision.

I hope tonight will be as good or better than last night. If it is, I'll use my 1970 vintage Canon 7X50's and the 6".

Good report, as always.

Clear skies,

Tom B.

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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Perseus new [Re: tbourg]
      #1151048 - 09/16/06 01:38 PM

Tom -

Well, my wife is not responding well to the antibiotics, so she is still sick. It's not getting worse, but it's not getting better either. As such, I am hopping from one foot to the other tending to the usual stuff and to her stuff as well. So I doubt I will be able to make it out for a stargaze anywhere. We really need to get together and get David Dale to come out as well and we'll throw the finest star party Houma has ever seen - likely the only star party Houma has ever seen!

Yeah last night was not toooo bad, transparency-wise, IF you stayed close to the zenith. Anything much lower was washed-out.

Clear dark skies....

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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Perseus new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #1151070 - 09/16/06 01:51 PM

Hello Mike,

There must be more astonomy nuts in the area than just us three. I wish we could find them. But heck, at the worse we have three times as many now as I had when I was growing up there. You weren't born yet, and David was in another state.

Hope your wife gets well soon. Kidney infections are a lot of bad news, that's for sure.

See you and clear skies.

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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Pers new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #1151119 - 09/16/06 02:29 PM

Mike,

Great report. I wish I had some SEMBLANCE of clear skies around here. Lake Erie's finest lake-effect garbage has hindered my hopes for last night and probably tonight as well. It's been solid overcast here despite promises from the Cleveland NWS to the contrary. CSC, on the other hand, got the call right for last night.

Sorry to hear about your wife. Hope everything goes well. It sounds like you two need a vacation (especially to darker skies) once she gets better.

Clear Bayou Skies,
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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Pers new [Re: Phillip Creed]
      #1151525 - 09/16/06 08:43 PM Attachment (20 downloads)

I hope your wife gets better soon, Mike.
Give her a big CN from us, ok?

Thanks for the beautiful report! You have a real gift for writing.
Was it the Little Queen asterism you saw?
It's half way between Alpha Cephei and Beta Ursa Minoris (Kochab).

Here's a screenshot marked with the 150" fov my 22x100s give.
Look familiar?

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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Pers new [Re: Carol L]
      #1151662 - 09/16/06 11:03 PM

Made it out for about ninety minutes this evening before dewing drove me in. Even before the lenses started to catch it, the humidity was visible. The forecast was for fog after midnight, but you could see it beginning to swallow things up earlier than that.

Did spend a little time in Cygnus. Starting at Albireo, I panned over to see if I could catch M27. It was a reach, but the neighboring stars as seen in the five and three degree views in Palm Planetarium all lined up. Didn't log it, however. My previous logging of M27 was in clearer, darker skies and was for sure. Tonight I felt I'd found it, but wasn't happy enough to call it.

Earlier, I'd perused Sagittarius and Scutum - my real hope was to relocate the Wild Duck - identified in the past in my early note taking but the entry was somehow lost. This as an easy find tonight, as was M22. A lot of the other highlights in the area were disappearing like niblets in cream sauce as the teapot tipped and got swallowed up in the simmering pea soup - yeccchhh: what an awful mixed metaphor!

Little Queen in Draco. By golly, I'm going to look for that the next decent night!

Thanks and best wishes - and Mike - all the best to your wife...

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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Perseus new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #1151711 - 09/17/06 12:32 AM

Quote:

I also tried repeatedly (and valiantly I might add!) to detect M27, but I failed, and failed, and failed again.




I have found the best way to find M27 is this:
Locate Albireo (the beautiful double at the tail of Cygnus) and Sulafat in Lyra (M57 lies between Sulafat and Sheliak - Sulafat is the one furthest from Vega).

Draw a line from Sulafat through Albireo and extend it the SAME distance on the other side - that will place you PRECISELY on top of M27. Using this directional scheme, I can find M27 in just seconds in a binocular - it's very reliable (m27 is actually about 15' closer to Albireo than Sulafat, but that's close enough!).

Oh, and on that SAME line, between Sulafat and Albireo is M56 (a smallish globular). It's about half-way (actually a bit closer to Albireo than Sulafat).

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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Perseus new [Re: CESDewar]
      #1151952 - 09/17/06 08:51 AM

CES -

Thanks for the tip, I will try that next time out.

Your handy Omega Centauri finder chart is still in my observing notebook for future reference. I had searched several times and failed to find it. I bagged it on the first try after using your chart. Thanks again. Your directions to M27 make it sound so easy, I feel dense for missing it!


Carol -

Yup! That's it. I saw the little Queen. I knew it was a known asterism, I just couldn't recall the name of it. Re: the wife, thanks. I hope she gets better too. Another trip to the doctor may be in order.


Michael -

I know exactly what type of muggy weather you are talking about. The air is just laden with moisture, bursting at the seams, it seems. (how punny!) ... this reminds me how much I really need to get the eyepiece heaters built. Maybe I should make one for my RDF as well...

Clear dark skies...

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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Perseus new [Re: CESDewar]
      #1152705 - 09/17/06 06:41 PM

Quote:

Draw a line from Sulafat through Albireo and extend it the SAME distance on the other side - that will place you PRECISELY on top of M27.




Great shortcut, thanks!

I've been starting at Altair, going almost 1/3 of the way to Deneb, and then kicking a bit to the left.


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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Pers new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #1152730 - 09/17/06 06:54 PM

A great report Mike, I really enjoyed reading it, and will say a prayer for your wife's quick recovery!

I find that my 11x80s and 15x70s are a great help in locating objects for my 10" Newt., and use them for this purpose, every clear night!

Cheers!
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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Pers new [Re: Bob W6PU]
      #1153080 - 09/18/06 12:34 AM

Hi Mike,
First -- "best wishes and get well soon" to your wife... and keep a stiff upper lip for yourself.
Great report Mike. You certainly make it sound easy (except for the sore neck thingy). As you may know, I'm new to all this and given I'm only using SM15x70s, I'm struggling through our "beginners" (telescope) program wondering just how far I'm going to get before I'm totally stalled for lack of a scope. I live in a large city, one of three all next to one another (Kitchener - Waterloo - Cambridge -- 400,000 people -- 450,000 in the county/Region) so the light pollution is bad. I travel about 20 minutes out of town to a dark spot on a country road and park in the opening to a farmers field (not actually in the field). It's "relatively" dark compared to the city, so I shouldn't complain. I don't know the sky that well, but my knowledge is improving. I'm enjoying "the hunt" -- I guess most men do... must be the genes tempered with stargazing from cave openings in one million BC.

Here in southern Ontario, Canada, the weather has not been too good for two weeks. However, one evening/night in the last week of August was outstanding. So much so that I could not continue the hunt. Instead, I just leaned against the car and stared at the wonder of the Milky Way. I remember seeing it like that as a kid in a small village outside of Toronto 50 years ago -- thousands of stars visable comprising the bright band of diamonds streching to both horizons. I finally started sweeping the Mikly Way with the binos... just to enjoy the view -- not to hunt. Fifteen minutes later I was so overwhelmed there was no way for me to continue. I packed up and came home. Nature needs to grab hold of some municipal leaders and give them a "wake-up shake" on light pollution.

Mike -- I see you don't have the 20x80s -- I was thinking of getting the Oberwerk 20x80LW to go on my tripod and 410 mount, but now I'm wondering if I shouldn't just get 25x100s? or some other larger bino? But that means a new and bigger tripod too. Any suggestions?

Since you named your community, I took a look in MAPQUEST to see where you are. You know... if you take 58 steps south... and 31 east... you'll be in CANCUN !!! Hope you and your family weathered "the storm" ok last year.

Take care...

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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Pers new [Re: Blind-Cyclops]
      #1153134 - 09/18/06 01:48 AM

Mike ,

Thank you for yet another very interesting and well written big binocular observing report , which have become one of the outstanding features of this forum over the past year or so .

My prayers and best wishes go out to your dear wife .

Regards , Kenny

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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Perseus new [Re: Carol L]
      #1153611 - 09/18/06 12:57 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Draw a line from Sulafat through Albireo and extend it the SAME distance on the other side - that will place you PRECISELY on top of M27.




Great shortcut, thanks!

I've been starting at Altair, going almost 1/3 of the way to Deneb, and then kicking a bit to the left.





I'm surprised at both solutions. M27 is so easy to find from Sagitta; it's just 3 degrees from the tip of the arrow (eta Sagittae). Doesn't even require you to hop.

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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Perseus new [Re: Mark9473]
      #1153711 - 09/18/06 02:12 PM

Sagitta is a bit hard to see from my backyard, so I am unfamiliar with it. Sounds like I need to fix that!

Of course, nothing but clouds and rain are predicted for the next two or three days...

Clear dark skies...

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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Perseus new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #1153782 - 09/18/06 02:52 PM

two of Sagitta's stars are brighter than mag 4, and two others brighter than 4.5. I can't believe you couldn't find it in your 8x42s especially since they make an asterism that really stands out.

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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Perseus new [Re: Mark9473]
      #1153866 - 09/18/06 03:59 PM

Mark -

My skies are NELM 4.4 at the zenith on a good night. Closer to the horizons, my NELM is probably 3. I can see Sagitta, but it is very faint and many other stars in the surrounding areas are invisible. It makes matching the planisphere or chart to what I see in the sky very difficult for me. I'm something of a dunderhead (buffoon) when it comes to certain things, so I have to find my own unorthodox work-arounds.

But yeah, there are still patches of the sky that I have little or no experience with yet.

Clear dark skies...

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Re: 25x100 OR - Cygnus, Cepheus, Cassiopeia, Perseus new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #1153908 - 09/18/06 04:25 PM

I too have really bad light polluted skies. but with bino's I find Sagitta an easy find and I go to M27 from there like others have described. M27 is nothing to brag about in bino's but it's a nice find none the less and is a great sight in scopes 6 inches or more. Enjoyed your report Mike...looking forward to the next one.
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