Shadow
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Seems there was a mistake
the seller says the owner usually clean and repairs binoculars & they thought these worked great.
Seems the owner had these in his car never worked on
so they are sorry for the mistake and will offer a refund.
I paid $105 which I have been told is for a working model in good shape.
These have a stiff center focus and frame
very stiff
it was frozen when I got it but with oil and cleaning I got it to free.
Problems still are
Right diopter is frozen
Left eepiece lens is badly scratched & lens did turn a bit when cleaned. Also left side does not focus same as right side.
appears right eyepiece is set higher than left
so if you have 2 good eys which I don;t
if you got right in focus left would be out of focus.
They offered me a partial refund
I came up with a high estimate of there value bet $65 & $75
I really don;t want to give them back even in ther poor shape but maybe the $105 would be better put toward a good pair?
Still I like the stinkers and have put alot of elbow grease in them and they look 100 times better than when I got them.
I would pay $75 for them...
Would it be a mistake to send them back it then cost me $20 for postage both ways and I have nothing.
My left eye is 20 200 so a great binocular is wasted on my eyes
What should I do?
This is the story
I spoke with the man who had us list them for him. He made an error in
the listing. Normally he checks out and cleans and repairs what he
brings us. He called me last night at home telling me what he just
realize happened. He had them in the car and just brought them in
without doing anything. They are not the pair he checked out. He is very
sorry for the mistake and wants to know if you want your money back We
will all fully understand. You just say what we can do for you. Thank
you.
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pcad
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Shadow,
The previous owner cleans and repairs binoculars? Was he planning on repairing yours and just forgot to do it?
Maybe he could clean and repair them now. After all, you did pay for working binoculars. The other possibility is swapping for the pair that the ad was based on.
In any case, good luck and keep us posted.
Peter
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Peter
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Shadow
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What's really strange about this bino is for a early CZJ
I have always seen serial numbers under the model number in the front. Thisone has it on the rear and its not stamped it's engraved if you look at it at 15x you can see it
also could the focus be a ajustement for someone with a very bad left eye? Luckkily even w diopter R frozen I see a clear image.
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Shadow
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I don't know if I believe this guy is a competent bino repairer. He may just bring things in from estates to sell.
I wanted a zeiss 10 X 50
this is definitely the bino pictured
who knows what the others were so that's not an option.
I could pose that to them but maybe he thinks he can get $100 from another party and resell them.
I;m thinking I overpaid at $105
but would be willing to keep for $75
Am I stupide for wanting to keep these binos?
I know I can;t afford to fix them and it wouldn;t really be worth it.
I can get some use out of them but I doubt no fluky bino repair guy can fix these binos
Do you think the different focus is becasue the right eye piece is set higher than the left?
How would this happen?
can you see the right is a bit longer than left eye
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Edited by Shadow (10/18/06 05:56 PM)
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pcad
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Shadow,
I'm no expert on vintage instruments. BillC is our maven in this area and he has already said a professional repair job could be hundreds of dollars.
I'm encouraged that the focuser and the hinge are working. Most center focus instruments have only one eyepiece that is adjustable. Often it is the right ep. I think I can see hash marks on the right ep and none on the left ep in your picture. I would say if you can get that right ep to move again you would have a working binocular.
Well, a very stiff working binocular.
One question, while focusing, do both ep's move equally or does it seem that only one ep is moving. If both move, then it's just a question of working the helical threads in the right ep loose.
I know what I would do, but few here would agree with my course of action. If you can get things moving you may have a good buy on your hands.
Good luck.
Peter
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Shadow
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The right Diopter eyepeice does have the marks
It has 3 screws on right eye peice only one on left
by move equaly do you mean when I ajust center focus and the 2 eyepeices and assemmbly raise?
I'll do it again...and exactly describe the movement
They go up straight no turning of eyepieces they just get higher like and elevator straight up
The right eyepiece is just set a little above the left but that's l;ocked in the frame that goes up and down and lifts and lowers the eyepeices
Does that mean anything?
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Shadow
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is the left focus different from the right because of right diopter?
I don't care about left so much as right
I have a bum left eye
just wondering what would cause different focus
I've tried to work the right loose
no luck yet
also tried the 3 screws but they are tight n don't wamt to strip them
I like them
it;s like a project and I was so thrill to be able to release the frame and center focus
It;s still real tight but they work now and that was a triumph to bring sight back to these old guys
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pcad
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Thanks. So they move equally as you focus, good. The right ep should be adjustable. You should be able to twist the ep and adjust it in closer or out farther.
The basic idea for getting both sides focused is to first focus using the central wheel while looking through the left ep with your left eye. close the right eye or put a lens cap on the right side while doing this. Then cover the left side or close your left eye and focus the right side using only the helical focuser built into the right eyepiece. Now using both eyes, each side is focused and will stay focused as you use the central focusing wheel for different distances.
There are some other issues involved but that's the gist of a center focus, right diopter adjustment binocular.
It seems that the only "obvious" thing in the way of your using this bino is the right ep helical focuser.
If this can be corrected, there is still the issue of collimation to worry about. If I were a pessimist, I'd suspect there was a reason the right ep is cranked out as far as it can go. We won't know until you can see through both sides at the same time without one side being hopelessly out of focus
Peter
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pcad
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Shadow,
BillC said that the grease used on old binos turns into cement. Two things that I know of that can loosen stuff like that is a little penetrating oil and temperature.
I'm a little leary of the oil at this point. Too much and you could be worse off than before. Gentle heating and cooling may loosen it up a bit. Perhaps a hairdryer to warm the eyepiece. I'd protect the leather with a cardboard shield before heating the ep.
At this point you have to be comfortable with doing anything I'm talking about. I'm not a binocular repair guy and I don't want to make things worse. So take all this with a grain of salt.
Peter
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Edited by pcad (10/18/06 07:32 PM)
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Shadow
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I can't use my left eye its 20 200 so its bad
I like indiv focus as I just focus the right eye
it jusr seemd more work center focus as I only have a god right eye
they do seem to move up together
used some turbine oil for the frame and she wrks good
also central focus is bertter
wow much better
I almost got a blister last night
I want to keep theses guys
I hope they work w me
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Rich V.
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Shadow, I'm going to assume the role of a pessimist and ask you a question: Do you want a vintage binocular that sits on a shelf as an "object of art" or do you want a decent binocular suitable for all the things we use binoculars for?
Also, how much could it cost to get these in operable condition; you could end up with over $300. invested in these and still have an old, uncoated binocular that is outperformed by many much less inexpensive options.
Since you paid $105 for these, if you got a refund you could at least get a Chinese Oberwerk 10x50 with modern coatings and a wide FOV for $130. There are a number of decent binoculars out there that don't cost an arm and a leg.
It all depends if you are a "collector" or a "user" of binoculars.
Maybe I'm way out of touch with the used binocular market; I'm just trying to be practical! 
Good Luck,
Rich V
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33-150x100 Saturn III, 16x70FMT-SX, 10x50 PCF-V, 10x43 DCF-SP, 10x35 E2, 7x35 E, 8x30 E2, 7x26 Custom, 8x23AS Diplomat, 8x23 Travelite
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Shadow
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well frame n cf were ok
I did thing of heat
lol
used a seed heat mat wrapped it around the r eye piece
it isn't too hot though
maybe 80 90 degrees but waas thinking heat might work
I did sneak some wd 40 yesterday\it might have helped
cleaned some extra sealant
not cementy
more wax like
the turbine oil is rust n corrosion resisting
its really old prob from 50's
called Maytag non pareil turbine oil 55977
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Shadow
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I am one who really dislikes the quality in new stuff
I do understand the coatings n things n be better off w a coated zeiss
my father had an old one and I loved it as a kid so I guess its partially sentimental
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pcad
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Shadow,
Rich makes a good valid point. There are many modern binos that would probably work better than your vintage glass.
I can sympathize with you about owning a Zeiss bino of any type. Especially when new Zeiss binos are many times more expensive than what you paid for yours.
20/200 in the left eye, hmmmmm.... Can you focus the left eyepiece for your right eye? If you can, just turn them upside down to use them. Problem solved.
Peter
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Shadow
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so if I have only one good eye the right one
will using the cf be all I need?
then there is no big reason for me to use the r diopter as
its hard for me too see out of the left I anyway
I have so limited use in it
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Shadow
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yeah I can focus the left eye for my right
lol
I also have the frame where it will turn inside our and I can use the left eyepiece on the right
is this better?
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pcad
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Tons better, Enjoy!
Peter
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Shadow
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so the buggers are ok for someone who uses only one eye?
That's wgy the seller should be happy I want to pay more than half price lol
really?
I focus thecenter wheel and the right come in focus left is abiout 4 degrees right of right focus
not as comfy upside down
both eyes don't come close enough
its awkward
LOL
oooh well thanks for the suggestion but left eye has a good scratch though it doesn't seem to affect the view
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Edited by Shadow (10/18/06 08:39 PM)
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pcad
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OK, I lost you on that last line.
Peter
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Shadow
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just saying the degree of focus between the eyes is about 4 degrees on the wheel
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