firestar
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looking for the best deal on a big pair of binoculars. looking at the $149 obies. anything better while being cheaper? thanks in advance for your help.
-------------------- Eastlake Ohio
Lots of cheap Asian glass
Antares 12" Dob,Antares 8" Dob
Meade 8" SCT, Celestron C8 SCT
Zhumell 152 mm F8,Antares 127 mm f9.4
Orion short tube 90 F5.6,Celestron 80 ED F7.5
Imaging Source DMK 21AU04 ccd camera
Stellarvue bv3's with 32,26,23,21,9 mm pairs
Olivon 42,35,28mm,siebert 21,12.5,7mm,GSO superview 20mm,Meade swa 13.8mm,Hyperion 13mm
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hallelujah
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Garrett Optical Gemini 15x70LW at $129.95
-------------------- Pentax 12x50mm PCF WP II FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 16x60mm PCF WP FMC/WP/FP
Pentax 20x60mm PCF WP II FMC/WP/FP
Orion 12x63mm Mini Giant FMC/JAPAN
Orion 15x70mm Little Giant II FMC/JAPAN
Orion 16x80mm Giant FMC/JAPAN
Orion 20x70mm Little Giant II FMC/JAPAN
Orion 30x80mm MEGAView FMC/JAPAN
Barska 30x80mm X-Trail LW FC
Burgess Optical Series II 20x90mm FMC/WP/FP
Handel's Messiah**Hallelujah! For the LORD God Omnipotent Reigneth
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Sellick
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Anttlers Sky Sweeper 15x70 $119.00 and they have 20x70 on sale for $99.00
-------------------- Celestron NexStar 8SE
10" DSO RACI & Rigel Quikfinder
Meade 114NT on DIY base
Celestron 20x80 SkyMasters
6mm Expanse Wide-Field
8mm Stratus Wide-Field
14mm MaxView Wide-Field
17mm Stratus Wide-field
32mm Scopetronix Plossl
30mm GSO 2" superview
40mm ScopeTronix Plossl
Celestron 8x24 Zoom
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Garrett Optical Gemini 15x70LW
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firestar
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Thanks again,both look like nice binoculars. The garrett's are the first one I seen in this price range which are fully multi coated.nice. keep them coming!
-------------------- Eastlake Ohio
Lots of cheap Asian glass
Antares 12" Dob,Antares 8" Dob
Meade 8" SCT, Celestron C8 SCT
Zhumell 152 mm F8,Antares 127 mm f9.4
Orion short tube 90 F5.6,Celestron 80 ED F7.5
Imaging Source DMK 21AU04 ccd camera
Stellarvue bv3's with 32,26,23,21,9 mm pairs
Olivon 42,35,28mm,siebert 21,12.5,7mm,GSO superview 20mm,Meade swa 13.8mm,Hyperion 13mm
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NairB
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Garrett Optical Gemini 15x70LW
I have the Strathspey version of the above and AGREE  
-------------------- Strathspey 15x70's FMC - Amazing cheap bino for the price. Bright, natural color/contrast, sharp, and well collimated. Best for Daytime viewing
Celestron Skymaster 15x70's MC - Field of view has a Smoky/Brown tint making them less bright during daytime viewing BUT this doesn't seem to affect night time viewing...Testing against the Strath's continues!!!
Oberwerk Lightweight 20x80mm FMC - Arrived - Had to collimate them. Undergoing tests.
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camvan
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Anttlers Sky Sweeper 15x70 $119.00 and they have 20x70 on sale for $99.00
what's this about 20x70's??? I think I'm interested! any word on quality?
-------------------- Cameron
"Aperture can only be replaced by even more aperture. Dark transparent skies cannot be replaced by anything else." - Stathis Kafalis
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firestar
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http://binoculars.com/products/barska-15x70-x-trail-32851.html
Anyone know about these? They look like a clone of the zhumell.
-------------------- Eastlake Ohio
Lots of cheap Asian glass
Antares 12" Dob,Antares 8" Dob
Meade 8" SCT, Celestron C8 SCT
Zhumell 152 mm F8,Antares 127 mm f9.4
Orion short tube 90 F5.6,Celestron 80 ED F7.5
Imaging Source DMK 21AU04 ccd camera
Stellarvue bv3's with 32,26,23,21,9 mm pairs
Olivon 42,35,28mm,siebert 21,12.5,7mm,GSO superview 20mm,Meade swa 13.8mm,Hyperion 13mm
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EdZ
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Read this
These Binoculars Look the Same. Are They?
edz
-------------------- Teach a kid something today. The feeling you'll get is one of life's greatest rewards.
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firestar
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Ya,I saw that one coming.
-------------------- Eastlake Ohio
Lots of cheap Asian glass
Antares 12" Dob,Antares 8" Dob
Meade 8" SCT, Celestron C8 SCT
Zhumell 152 mm F8,Antares 127 mm f9.4
Orion short tube 90 F5.6,Celestron 80 ED F7.5
Imaging Source DMK 21AU04 ccd camera
Stellarvue bv3's with 32,26,23,21,9 mm pairs
Olivon 42,35,28mm,siebert 21,12.5,7mm,GSO superview 20mm,Meade swa 13.8mm,Hyperion 13mm
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Bob W6PU
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Firestar, just get the 15x70 Obbies and don't look back, it'll be the best $149 you've spent! 
Bob
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camvan
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Edz, what are your thoughts on those Anttlers 20x70's? they have fully broadband multi-coated prisms and primaries. the introductory price is pretty darn good...
-------------------- Cameron
"Aperture can only be replaced by even more aperture. Dark transparent skies cannot be replaced by anything else." - Stathis Kafalis
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KennyJ
   
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Cam ,
I'm almost certain Ed has never looked at nor through these 20 x 70s , and Ed being Ed , I'm sure he would be the LAST person to SPECULATE , or be overly swayed by stated technical specifications .
The only 20 x 70s I ever saw had terribly inadequate eye relief , but I agree that ON PAPER at least , it is a magnification / aperture combination with exciting prospects for many binocular users .
Regards , Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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EdZ
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Good morning Kenny,
you are correct that I would prefer not to speculate. But at the least I can say; they look like the 15x70 with different power eyepieces; generally 20x eyepieces with a 70° fov, at least the ones I've tried, tend to be fairly distorted in the outer field. Also, you'd need to think about your use for these binoculars, since the 3.5mm exit pupil would be 25% less bright than a 20x80 and 45% less bright than a 15x70.
edz
-------------------- Teach a kid something today. The feeling you'll get is one of life's greatest rewards.
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Erik D
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http://binoculars.com/products/barska-15x70-x-trail-32851.html
Anyone know about these?
They look like a clone of the zhumell.
If you are shopping for a 15X70 based on low price alone you can find lower price here: Barska 15X70 X Trail
Note the ratings given on amazon.com. On the binoculars.com link above one person gave 3/5, the other rated 5/5 but he is not an owner, gave a pair to a friend...."thinking about getting a pair"
Wait long enough you may find "factory refurbished" or "2nds" on sale at Sportsman's Guide or Surplus Shed for $29!
Most of us expect to pay more than $60 for a pair of prescription eye glasses but for some reason we keep hoping we can find superior optics in a pair of low priced giant binos.....
Here's another data point: Barska vs. Oberwerk
Erik D
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johnno
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Hi EDZ,
Owning a 20x60 with only a 3mm exit pupil, I also found Dissapointment,with the brightness level,I would imagine,a 3.5mm exit pupil would not be much better.
My 15x70,and 20x80's are waay brighter.INMHO
Regards.John
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upsguy
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erik d's link to the amazon site is where i bought my barskas. i'm very happy with them even though they are considered "cheapies". the barskas have got to be the best bang for the buck 15x70's. the only thing i don't like about them is the focuser, it doesn't give you any fine tuning.
-------------------- Jim
Meade lx90 8" uhtc
Meade 80mm refractor
Orion 70mm refractor
Barska 15x70
Obies 11x56
Canon 400D
Canon SX100IS
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davaid
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Hi, I am also interested in buying 15X70 BINOS, I am looking at Barska or (and specially the) Celestron Skymaster 15X70.
My requirments are to casually watch the city, ships in the sea, aircrafts when landing, people moving in the park and the top of the tall buildings we have in city, and maybe starring at the moon at night.
I am intrested of something that is bright and the vision doesn't get deteriorated at night and valued under $100 (like the celestron).
I so interested in the celestron 15X70 bions; but I need first to hear the opinions of those people who already owns them and how do they perform within the context of my requirments.....
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Erik D
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Hi, I am also interested in buying 15X70 BINOS, I am looking at Barska or (and specially the) Celestron Skymaster 15X70.
I am intrested of something that is bright and the vision doesn't get deteriorated at night and valued under $100 (like the celestron).
I so interested in the celestron 15X70 bions; but I need first to hear the opinions of those people who already owns them and how do they perform within the context of my requirments.....
There are two reviews of the Celestron Skymaster 15X70 in bino review section at the top of the bino forum, you can find more reviews at the amazon.com web site:
CN Bino Mini Review Section
More recent comments from the UK: 4 Pairs of Celestron 15X70
People have very different ideas about what they expect from a pair of low cost 70mm binos. "Performance" needs to evaluated in the context of YOUR expectation and depends on the quality optics you already own. Comparing factors such as light transmisson, edge sharpness, collimation, baffeling, anti-reflection coating to a $99 80mm F5 the Celestron 15X70 may be judged to have excellent performance. Compared to a 80mm F7.5 ED much less so.
At the under $100 price point 70mm binos seem to have more sample to sample variation. One sample may earn 5/5 ratiing from one reviewer and a 3/5 from the next. Spend just $29.95 more and you can have a bino that has the highest level of broadband multi coating, collimation checked by laser collimator and 14 point optical mechanical inspection.
Erik D
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reflector74
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I'm coming to believe the $29 extra will be more than worth it for that binocular from Garret.
-------------------- Two eyes and a preference to use both
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KennyJ
   
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< I'm coming to believe the $29 extra will be more than worth it for that binocular from Garret.>
In which case , r74 , I'm coming to believe YOU are beginning to see the light ! :-)
Regards , Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Erik D
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The visual difference between a binocular with several single-coated (or uncoated) surfaces versus a binocular that is fully multicoated (all surfaces including prisms) may not be striking, and in some cases may not be noticeable at all to the casual eye. We are talking differences in light transmission that may be 1-5% : could you tell the difference between a 60 watt bulb and a 55 watt bulb burning at a distance? This is not a game of orders of magnitude. Rather, the binocular that is fully multi-coated may have other advantages besides the coatings. In the cases of Oberwerk and Garrett Optical, these are two companies that live and die by binoculars. Binoculars are their business. Both companies have optical experts at their disposal to personally inspect their product before shipping. The higher price and better coatings also come with a higher level of quality assurance (inspection) and customer service. I've never heard of anyone needing to return 2 or 3 pairs of Obies or GO's to get a good pair.
Optics giants like Celestron, Orion, and the rest sell thousands of pairs of binoculars a year (likely) in addition to telescopes, eyepieces, filters, mounts, electronics, heated observing vests, planispheres, microscopes, spotting scopes, CCD equipment, etc, etc....you get the idea. The chances that your sub-$100 pair of binos from one of these giants is going to be inspected by a qualified person trained to detect/correct build defects and collimation errors is ZERO.
I guess what I am trying to get at in my rambling way is this : if you can afford to spend another $30-$40 above the stated budget of $100, then get the Garrett model. It's well worth the extra investment, will serve you well, have a slightly higher resale value, and has the better coatings that everyone is debating. If you are strictly limited to less than $100 by budget (completely understandable, I have been there before), then you have a wide field to pick from full of potential good deals or disappointments. It's like rolling the dice. If you are not a gambling man, then go with the Obie or GO.
Good luck and clear dark skies...
MikeG
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THANK YOU Mike!
MikeG joined this CN forum 1.5 years ago. His obsession with binocular performance is well known to the regulars here.( just look at his post count) A satisfied owner of Celestron Skymaster 15X70 but not the 25X100, he shared his binocular buying wisdom and experience with those hoping for "Best Buys Giants" the day before his birthday. It's one of the best summary of "why & why not of lowest cost binoculars" I have read anywhere.
I recall saying to myself: "I wish we can tag Mike's post for the next guy who is going ask the SAME question in Different thread in a few hours...."
Well they did, again and again, but MikeG's words were already lost on the 2nd page just a few days later....I am giving it a bump here: Bargain Giant Binos: Why Not?
I suggest it should be a "must read" for new members starting another "Best Bang for the Buck?" or "Looks just like xxx" thread.....
Erik D
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"Both companies have optical experts at their disposal to personally inspect their product before shipping. "
This is the reason I bought the Garretts. I did not want to have to use my poor skills to determine whether the new binocs needed returning.
I am pretty happy with them. But, observing through big binocs depends a lot on the mount you are using. This may have been covered by now, so you are aware that once you buy the binocs, you will shortly be shopping for a way to keep them steady while observing. I tried a couple of my tripods with poor results and have just made my own P Mount to deal with all the shake, rattle, and roll. I did not appreciate this until I used them for the first time, even though I had read a lot about the shakes on this forum.
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