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KennyJ

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Lunar Eclipse
      #1455527 - 03/01/07 06:55 PM

As I'm sure most members will be aware , there is to be a total eclipse of the moon on Saturday night for many northern hemisphere observers .

I'm wondering if anyone here will SPECIFICALLY be hoping for clear skies in order to observe the event through BINOCULARS ( and if so which ones ? ) or if you will reach for a telescope through which to watch the proceedings , or in fact , why not BOTH ?

Clear Skies , Kenny

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1455703 - 03/01/07 08:25 PM

The last time I saw a lunar eclipse was Nov 2004. My Leupold 12X50 roof was brand new that night. I used the Bogen 501 head as a platform to test edge sharpness while waiting for the Eclipse. I think I am going to take out my 54X100s this time if we have a clear night.

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: Erik D]
      #1455883 - 03/01/07 09:50 PM

Hi Kenny,

I'll be away from home on the third.

The AP 15x70 is too big/heavy.

I was thinking of taking my Obie 12x60 on a monopod.

I think, however, that my RA-50 binoscope using two SV50 RA finder scopes will be just right for this lunar eclipse. I find this small RA bino very easy to use without a mount. With 70° 17mm ep's this will give me a 11.75x 50mm RA bino with a fov of ~5.9°. The exit pupil wil be ~4.25mm. I dont recall what the eye relief is, but that's the beauty of using standard 1 1/4" ep's. If more eye relief or a different afov is wanted, just change the ep's.

I'll have my SV66 with the M1 Alt/Az mount on a light weight travel tripod. The ep's include a 5mm and a 9mm BO planetary eyepieces and whatever else I feel like dragging along.

So, ~12x with binos, ~40x and ~80x with the scope. The SV66 is an apo doublet and 80x is well within its grasp especially an a bright object like the moon.

I'm just hoping the weather cooperates in Philadelphia this weekend.

Cheers, Peter

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: pcad]
      #1456362 - 03/02/07 04:33 AM

Won't need to move but I'll be on the edge of the cloud

I observed this night the moon/saturn conjonction.
Nice show both in binoculars 30x80 and with the 250 mm telescope.
Some more in the east of France, observed this as an occultation.

Next saturn/moon occultation will occur here in May, 22nd.

Denis

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: Denis]
      #1456399 - 03/02/07 05:40 AM

I'll be watching if skies are clear. Probably several binoculars.

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: EdZ]
      #1456566 - 03/02/07 08:47 AM

I will be at a concert on Saturday night,what are the times,Kenny?
I could take my little 8x30s along.
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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: Steve Napier]
      #1457100 - 03/02/07 01:25 PM

My scope will be tracking with a 25mm ep for a good widefield view and taking pics, but the new Opticrons will be getting a good workout too, especially for scanning around.
I should log bino time against scope time, the binos must be 10:1 ahead at the moment!

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: JoeF]
      #1457130 - 03/02/07 01:39 PM

For an estimation of times , this is an extract from the excellent post in the Lunar Forum about the Total Eclipse from fellow CNer Curt Renz .

The times are for LONDON .

http://www.curtrenz.com/astro2.html

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: JoeF]
      #1457175 - 03/02/07 01:58 PM

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I should log bino time against scope time, the binos must be 10:1 ahead at the moment!

Joe




For me bino use vs. scope use is about 98:2. Binos purchsed since 2001: 12+, Scopes: 0. (I did spend ~$1,600 on a Giro DX Alt Az mount and tall tripod for my 6 inch AP refractor in 2003)

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: Erik D]
      #1457290 - 03/02/07 02:56 PM

Bad weather tonight but it's supposed to clear tomorrow evening!
I'll be on standby with ALL my binoculars!

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: Mark9473]
      #1458470 - 03/03/07 04:14 AM

Thanks for that link,Kenny. The concert will be finished before totality.Its sure to be cloudy though.
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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: Steve Napier]
      #1458616 - 03/03/07 07:49 AM

< Its sure to be cloudy though. >

NOT according to THIS Steve !

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/03032007/344/weather-perfect-total-eclipse.html

CLEAR SKIES !

Kenny

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Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera


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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1458621 - 03/03/07 07:54 AM

Lunar eclipse? Excellent, it will dim the full Moon down so I can see some deep sky stuff if possible.

I'll be using my Short Tube as usual.

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: Bruce MacDonald]
      #1459184 - 03/03/07 12:50 PM

New Jersey seems intent on having bad weather when most of the interesting celestial events happen- tonite they expect showers, but I'm keeping fingers crossed. Will have my 20x80 Comet Kings out, and a scope with variable polarizing filter if conditions warrent.

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: refractory]
      #1459192 - 03/03/07 12:54 PM

The weather in my little neighborhood is better today than it's been in many weeks. The eclipse will be over by the time the moon rises over the West Coast, unfortunately...

For those of you who will be able to see it, post pictures and reports if you can!

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: ngc6475]
      #1459716 - 03/03/07 06:57 PM

Lunar Eclipse Report from New Brunswick, Canada............

Clouds

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: ngc6475]
      #1459743 - 03/03/07 07:11 PM

Sorry Walter , no photos , but I've just spent a most enjoyable couple of hours looking at this eclipse .

The whole thing started here about 80 minutes later than I'd understood it would have .

I COULD speak several thousand words right now in an attempt to FULLY convey the experience , but unfortunately my typing speed is approximately a thousand times slower than my speech mechanism .

It is now past midnight here , so I'm going to keep this brief .

I took the opportunity to compare the views through naked eye and through every binocular I had available , and through the only scope I currently had to hand , the Zeiss Diascope , through which I studied the ever changing visual impressions , at magnifications ranging from 20x to 60x , alongside the views through 15 x 70 , 10 x 50 , 10 x 42 , 7 x 42 and 7 x 50 binoculars .

The bottom line is the most IMPRESSIVE views of all , for me , were through Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50 binoculars !

Clear Skies , Kenny

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Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1459764 - 03/03/07 07:25 PM

We had a GREAT view of the eclipse! The last of the sporadic clouds that drifted by earlier this evening - and at one time created a superb double corona around the then still fully illuminated Moon - completely dissipated by the start of totality.

As ever, the view of a totally eclipsed Moon hanging amid a scattering of stars, is one of the most scenic views the night sky has to offer. And being able to hop over to M44 or M65/M66 and enjoy it fully while so close to the Moon, is just a treat!

A very bright meteor with a double flare heralded the end of totality, and right now everything is slowly returning to normal.

Like Kenny I tested an array of optics, and found, not surprisingly, that the 7x50 gave the brightest most colourful view, fully bringing out the rich orange-brown tints. Second best was my 20x80s just because of scale of the Moon and depth of the background.

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: Mark9473]
      #1459774 - 03/03/07 07:32 PM

Yes, binoculars are the best for that type of observing. My 20 x 80 did a great job today, better then my OO F/4.5 and pan 24. Even my wife who NEVER goes outside for stargazing eventually did that this evening and as a totally unexperieced observer she confirmed quick that 'is was alot better in those binoculars'. Sure love, how many times i've told you that there are different types of viewing....(perhaps now she will understand why i need al those different eyepieces and scopes...)

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: F.Meiresonne]
      #1459818 - 03/03/07 07:46 PM

For those that missed it, look at this pic posted on the lunar forum.

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: Mark9473]
      #1459902 - 03/03/07 08:26 PM

Eclipse just ended here in New Jersey. The sky (for once...) obliged with no clouds in the direction of moonrise, and I was able to find a clear vantage a couple of blocks from the house, without too many street lights. I had my 20x80's with me, no mount, no scope (I wasn't going to hunt for a vantage lugging THAT around).

One of the neighbors came out and I offered him a look- he went in and brought out the wife and son, and we spent the next ten minutes looking at the eclipse, Orion's sword, Venus, Saturn, the Beehive, and so on, nicely visible since the moonlight was blocked.

The most interesting thing for me was the star that came out from behind the moon just as the bright crescent in the lower left began to grow. I caught it just as it rose over the lunar horizon, and watched as it moved further and further away as the cresent grew. I hadn't realized that the moon moved so fast. It was almost centered on what the 'focus' of the cresent would have been had the moon been a mirror! Makes me wonder whether the traditional Islamic symbol of cresent moon and star come from similar circumstances (a planet out from occultation, perhaps?)

Anyway, very good show. Sky started to cloud up as the end approached, but I wasn't annoyed by then- was quite satisfied all in all.

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: Mark9473]
      #1459942 - 03/03/07 08:44 PM

Thanks for the reports. At the last lunar eclipse I witnessed, I had set up a telescope that I wound up ignoring because I enjoyed the view more bare-eyed. I promised myself that I would use binoculars when the opportunity presented itself again.

I appreciate Kenny's and Mark's report of the satisfying views provided by a 7x binocular. I can easily imagine the extra light grasp and higher magnification (but not too high) of a 7x binocular would give a very satisfying image of the whole eclipsing moon framed by the sky.

My congratulations to all of you so fortunate as to have witnessed this event. Thanks for the reports, too!

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1460051 - 03/03/07 09:31 PM

Got to see most of the eclipse...The clouds FINALLY broke! I used my 15x70's and it looked GREAT!!

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1460244 - 03/03/07 10:43 PM

Saw it naked eye. Kids commandeered bins. At 00:42:00 UTC, we started obs of great ISS pass.

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: DblVision]
      #1460254 - 03/03/07 10:48 PM

I caught the eclipse outside this evening. By the time it rose here in Houma, only about 1/4 was covered in shadow. To the naked eye, it looked like a false terminator line and the moon resembled a quasi-last-quarter. After it had risen above the neighbor's roofline, and I could get a shot at it with my scope and binos, I got a peek. The best view, initially, was through the 15x70 binoculars (no surprise) ... closer examination with the scope and higher magnification revealed no detail along the "false terminator" line. The shadow looked interesting, but it was not stark enough to provide true terminator-like contrast to the surface features along it's boundary.

I'm glad the weather permitted me this view.

Regards and clear skies,

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: Mark9473]
      #1460460 - 03/04/07 01:06 AM

The eclipse was a piece of cake from the Taj Pamodzi Hotel in Lusaka, Zambia. It was darker than eclipses that I have seen in the past and more a deep brown than red in my estimation.
I grabbed my 10x50 Ultravids and went down to get better view hotel, and in the excitement had forgotten my room key and locked myself out. I went to the desk to get a replacement and everyone there wanted to see the eclipse, so it was back out to the pool with many hotel staff.

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: KennyJ]
      #1460535 - 03/04/07 02:43 AM

Quote:

The whole thing started here about 80 minutes later than I'd understood it would have .




That's because the penumbral stage is not obvious. I find the easiest ways to detect a difference are (a)to compare the visibility of nearby stars and (b) to compare the brightness of illumination of a dark room from through-the-window-moonlight, with those of a "normal" full Moon.

Here the MVN (that was 100% and leaking water at 19:45) eventually cleared to reveal a pristine sky. I didn't use any optical instruments and I didn't bother trying to photograph it. Instead, I spent most of it on the phone to my elder son (who has never before shown an interest in astronomy) and my 7-yr old granddaughter (who is developing an interest in astronomy). We chatted about what was going on and showed them how, by using hand-spans, etc, we could guide each other around the sky. I gave them a "tour" and, although they are over 250 miles away, we had a very fruitful evening together. I stayed up later, but the fog rolled in on the North Downs by mid-night, and I eventually called it a night and retired to my pit.

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: sftonkin]
      #1460570 - 03/04/07 03:55 AM

The main reason the views were most impressive through the lower magnification 7x binoculars was that the sheer depth and richness of colour and the glowing transluscence of umber as so brilliantly portrayed in Alan's photograph which Mark linked us to , was ONLY so evident through my 7x binoculars , and not even through my 10x binoculars , of which I have three .

Naked eye also provided the colour and transluscence , but without the added wonder and mystique of so many stars sharing the 7 degree true field of view in what became an area of sky magically illuminated by the warm , almost other - wordly glow .

Like Stephen , I also shared about half an hour of the experience speaking on my mobile phone to one of my daughters , while she was looking at it through 8 x 42 binoculars , and earlier , like Jess , had marvelled at the sudden appearance of that star from the right hand edge of the main globe , which reminded me a little of observing Jupiter at higher magnifications when one of it's moons emerges from in front of or behind it .

Although I realise that both earth and moon are constantly moving both of themselves and in relation to each other , I even began wondering at one stage which precise section of the earth's surface we were seeing the sillouette of , as it slowly crept upwards across and devoured the lunar surface .

At no point did the intersection appear perfectly smooth , so it was as if mountains on the earth's surface were being sillouetted against the moon .

All in all , a most memorable experience for me !

Yet again , I found the celestial views through my Captain's Helmsman distinctly " superior " to those through my Zeiss BGAT , which is an instrument four times more expensive .

My long awaited article on the Helmsman has , I understand , following a mystery of three months duration , finally found it's way out of the CN " Lost Property " file , and is due to appear in the near future , providing it is considered worthy of publication , of course .

Perhaps readers will be thankful I don't often spend SO much time studying celestial events , or my posts to this forum would become even MORE laborious to read than they already must be ! :-)

Regards and clear skies , Kenny

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Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera


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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: refractory]
      #1460601 - 03/04/07 04:39 AM

Fantastic!
The view through my 10x50 was better than any I had seen before in any other instruments during previous eclipses (refractors,reflectors,7x50 binoculars).I don't think that this one was particularly dark though,but certainly darker than the last two.
The red glow and gradients were obvious,not just vague brownish,reddish tints that we sometimes see.
What a spectacle,who said that binoculars were just for DSO spotting?I've always enjoyed watching the moon through them,eclipsed or not.
The 10x50 have made this lunar eclipse the best I've seen yet.

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Re: Lunar Eclipse new [Re: brt209]