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Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount
      #2112818 - 01/11/08 12:43 PM

Hi everyone,

After a somewhat successful first light report, no fault of the binoculars, I realized quickly the Z20x80s would need a different mount other than the heavy duty tripod I was using during the first light. So back to the Cloudy Nights binocular forum to research bino mounts and to determine which one would suit me and my viewing needs.

After much reading and following many links on different mounting options for my 20x80s I decided I would purchase a parallelogram style mount over any others mentioned. There are a few do it yourself options available, on the CN forum and elsewhere on the web, but I have absolutely no woodworking skills to speak of, so I ruled out a DIY project rather quickly. Luckily, Orion had their Paragon-Plus binocular mount (no tripod) on sale and the savings would cover the shipping charges, so in effect free shipping! The Orion mount comes with the proper attachment for binoculars having a front mounting type option but you will need to purchase a separate binocular mount adapter to mount the larger binoculars with a center post mount, as is the case for the Z20x80s. Ok, now with the additional purchase of the adapter ($30.00) I ended up losing the free shipping savings mentioned above.

Fed-Ex delivered the two boxes about 6 days later with no shipping damages. The assembly was very easy but I did need to remove the brass insert in the mount for it to fit my tripod. Also the mounting block for the binoculars was mounted backwards, not sure if it is for shipping purposes or a mistake, but was easy enough to correct with a glance at the accompanying instruction sheet. After a few adjustments to the legs to get to a comfortable tripod height and a few adjustments to the included 8 lb. counterweight I knew I had a very stable combination. With some trial and error I adjusted the tension knobs on the parallelogram to smooth out the movement and my new binocular mount was ready to explore the night sky.

After dark I checked out several of my favorite binocular sights ranging from the Double Cluster (NGC 884 & 869) to Comet Holmes. For me the Double Cluster always looks best in a binocular field. The Hyades and the Pleiades, very high in the sky, turned out to be the test of my new mount. In my first light post on the Z20x80s I had to hand hold them to see either of them since they were almost overhead and my tripod would not allow me to point them that high in the sky. But with the new mount I was able to stand under the binoculars and view them easily. Again the 3.2° field of view is the only way to do justice to both of these objects. Now it was a different story when I tried to view Comet Holmes, I was able to detect it with my Scenix 10x50s but when I tried to locate it with the Z20x80s I couldn't. I tried several times to locate it but could not and eventually gave up. I am not sure if the field of view prevented me from seeing it or my lack of aiming and pinpointing the object was off.

The addition of the Paragon-Plus binocular mount with my heavy duty tripod is a perfect fix for the shortcomings I experienced with my standard tripod head in the first light report. Is it what you need? Each person observes differently and has certain limits, viewable directions, etc., and something that you will need to answer on your own. However, if like me, you lack woodworking skills or woodworking tools then I recommend you take a hard look at a parallelogram type mount to enhance your binocular observing experience. With this setup I was able to view objects from horizon to zenith in any direction. Once you have the binoculars aimed and focused at the object at zenith there is no arm strain but still some neck strain but more manageable for me than before. It has come to my attention after posting my first light report here that to obtain an increase in the altitude adjustment using my standard tripod head is to mount the binos backwards, towards the tilt/lock arm of the tripod head. I have not tried the suggestion since I am very happy with my purchase of the Orion Paragon-Plus mount.

One other difficulty has arisen when using my new setup and that is aiming at objects in the night sky. I am not sure if it's the narrower field of view between the Scenix 10x50s and the Z20x80s or the size of the objectives, meaning the 20x80s are so large it's hard to tell what I am pointing them at. I had become very proficient at pointing the 10x50s at bright stars and if needed star hopping to my desired target. But the Z20x80s are an entirely different matter when it comes to aiming them at anything. It seems that I have a very difficult time pointing them at and recognizing the visible star field.

So what's next? A finder is what's next. I have ordered the Bino-Brac II with the Orion EZ finder from Astronomy-Shoppe and will report back my experience with it here. Tony at the Astronomy-Shoppe indicated I should have the items in a few days. According to the local weather I won't have clear skies until Monday or later.

Why "Big Eyes" in the title? It's really simple. I love to read and when I purchased the 20x80s I was in the middle of reading a book from the library titled The Last Ship a post apocalyptic novel written by William Brinkley. The book is written from the viewpoint of the ship's captain, Thomas, his last name is never given, as he and his crew aboard the Nathan James, a US destroyer, search for a habitable area after a nuclear exchange. During this search the crew mans a large pair of binoculars, the captian calls "Big Eyes", to search the shores looking for a safe place to start the human race anew. When I looked at the front objectives of the Z20x80s I could easily imagine that the crew had some type of large binoculars aboard the Nathan James just like my new Z20x80s.

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Carl Kolchak]
      #2112875 - 01/11/08 01:05 PM

nice report!

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Carl Kolchak]
      #2114123 - 01/11/08 10:27 PM

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Once you have the binoculars aimed and focused at the object at zenith there is no arm strain but still some neck strain but more manageable for me than before.




Thanks for the post. To address the neck strain issue, have you considered viewing high objects while laying horizontally on a reclining lawnchair? I've tried this a few times now and I find it makes my observing experience MUCH more comfortable (and also more stable, if you're handholding). I find that when I'm sitting or laying out on a lawnchair I enjoy my viewing much more because I am comfortable and can simply look up at the sky.

BTW, I don't have a parallelogram mount, but have been considering it. Sometimes I wonder how stable the binoculars are at the end of that arm after you position them. Do you find that they stay put and don't jiggle around? I'd be interested in your experience.

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Friendly Giant]
      #2114245 - 01/11/08 11:19 PM

Thanks edz.

Quote:

Thanks for the post. To address the neck strain issue, have you considered viewing high objects while laying horizontally on a reclining lawnchair? I've tried this a few times now and I find it makes my observing experience MUCH more comfortable (and also more stable, if you're handholding). I find that when I'm sitting or laying out on a lawnchair I enjoy my viewing much more because I am comfortable and can simply look up at the sky.




Yes I have, Friendly Giant. But I haven't taken the time to see if I can adjust the mounting block to allow me to move the binos in the altitude movement. I commonly use the 10x50s in a chaise lounger at the pool and find it quite comfortable and stable (handheld).

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BTW, I don't have a parallelogram mount, but have been considering it. Sometimes I wonder how stable the binoculars are at the end of that arm after you position them. Do you find that they stay put and don't jiggle around? I'd be interested in your experience.




My setup is really stable. The tripod I use is heavy and has a wide footprint when the legs are fully extended. I was worried about that too but with the 20x80s mounted I have tried to rock them to see where the tipping point would be. So far, I would need to tip it over on purpose to spill them.

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Orion ShortTube 90mm f/5.6 Refractor
Meade Model 300 80mm f/15 Refractor
Tasco Cosmic 6TE-5 50mm f/12 Refractor
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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Carl Kolchak]
      #2114838 - 01/12/08 09:43 AM

Hi again, Richard! Nice report on your new setup. It sounds like you are well on your way to becoming a bino addict! Trust me... it's contageous. I caught it from the 2 Mikes in NEFAS my first meeting!
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During this search the crew mans a large pair of binoculars, the captian calls "Big Eyes", to search the shores looking for a safe place to start the human race anew.



Every Navy ship has a large set of mounted bino's on the bridge... and they've always been called "Big Eyes". It wasn't just artistic license!
Wes

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Wes James]
      #2114951 - 01/12/08 10:55 AM

Hi Friendly Giant,

I use one of the original UniMount devices. To answer one of your questions.

Although the devices may look a bit unstable, the tip is to get the binocular very well balanced. On a well-made //-ogram, the friction bearing washers and spacers will give you a firm and secure movement.

Usually, you will find materials such as mylar and teflon, etc., used on the moving moments. Sometimes these friction points are adjustable by the user.

But believe me, once properly set up, there is no movement of the binocular--very forgiving (except for the settle rate). And least not to forget the size of the aluminum bars used--that's the reason these guys weigh so much. Hope this helps you a bit.

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: DJB]
      #2115078 - 01/12/08 11:41 AM

Congrats on getting the paragon-plus- I just got mine in the mail yesterday. I got it set up, just waiting for the clouds to clear. Orion accidently sent me a large binocular bracket mount- isn't this the same thing that comes on the paragon plus- just making sure before I send it back. Thanks.

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Carl Kolchak]
      #2116938 - 01/13/08 08:45 AM

Richard,

Good report. I got the Paragon p-mount last spring (along with the Paragon Plus heavy duty tripod) and have used it many times since then. My 15x70's are the Kunming Series 8 type and heavy (5.5 lb.) but the mount is steady and stays on target. The parallellogram design is very convenient because the object stays centered in the FOV whether you pull it down for a child to look through or push it up to give your local basketball team a turn at the view.

One thing--the knurled allen head cap screws on my mount rusted almost immediately after getting dew on them--you might want to protect yours.

Btw, when you said you couldn't locate Comet Holmes with the 20x80's after seeing it with the 10x50's--you were probably looking right through it. Holmes has evolved into such a huge extended object that it is best seen with low magnification.

Good luck with your future observations and clear skies!

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Wes James]
      #2117636 - 01/13/08 02:35 PM

Quote:

Hi again, Richard! Nice report on your new setup. It sounds like you are well on your way to becoming a bino addict! Trust me... it's contageous. I caught it from the 2 Mikes in NEFAS my first meeting!

Every Navy ship has a large set of mounted bino's on the bridge... and they've always been called "Big Eyes". It wasn't just artistic license!
Wes




Hi Wes,

As addicting as buying telescopes!

From reading the book I got a sense that either the author served in the Navy or did very good research for it.

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AstroTelescopes 102mm f/7 Refractor
Orion ShortTube 90mm f/5.6 Refractor
Meade Model 300 80mm f/15 Refractor
Tasco Cosmic 6TE-5 50mm f/12 Refractor
Orion SkyView Pro 8" Intelliscope
Orion Scenix 10x50 Binoculars
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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: edwardmatt83]
      #2117652 - 01/13/08 02:42 PM

Quote:

Congrats on getting the paragon-plus- I just got mine in the mail yesterday. I got it set up, just waiting for the clouds to clear. Orion accidently sent me a large binocular bracket mount- isn't this the same thing that comes on the paragon plus- just making sure before I send it back. Thanks.




edwardmatt83,

They, whoever they are, say a picture is worth a thousand words so here are a couple of images:

This is the standard bracket for all binos that mount with a front screw, like my Scenix 10x50s:




The image below is the additional bracket I had to buy for my Z20x80s to work with the p-gram.


And this last image is of the above mentioned bracket #07589 mounted on the p-gram:



Hope this helps,

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Orion ShortTube 90mm f/5.6 Refractor
Meade Model 300 80mm f/15 Refractor
Tasco Cosmic 6TE-5 50mm f/12 Refractor
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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Special Ed]
      #2117663 - 01/13/08 02:48 PM

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Good report.





Thank you, Special Ed.

Quote:


One thing--the knurled allen head cap screws on my mount rusted almost immediately after getting dew on them--you might want to protect yours.




OK, thanks for the heads up. Any suggestions on what to use?


Quote:



Btw, when you said you couldn't locate Comet Holmes with the 20x80's after seeing it with the 10x50's--you were probably looking right through it. Holmes has evolved into such a huge extended object that it is best seen with low magnification.




I thought about that after I posted and I think you're right. Holmes looked fairly faint through the 10x50s, much different than it did in November or so.

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Orion ShortTube 90mm f/5.6 Refractor
Meade Model 300 80mm f/15 Refractor
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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Carl Kolchak]
      #2118512 - 01/13/08 09:26 PM

Quote:

Quote:


One thing--the knurled allen head cap screws on my mount rusted almost immediately after getting dew on them--you might want to protect yours.




OK, thanks for the heads up. Any suggestions on what to use?




I was interested to hear this too, having just bought one a month ago myself. I'll be heading to my local hardware store for some stainless cap screws....actually, pan heads might be better for me anyway, as the caps interfere with the tripod head I mounted there.

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Carl Kolchak]
      #2119563 - 01/14/08 12:06 PM

Quote:

Quote:


One thing--the knurled allen head cap screws on my mount rusted almost immediately after getting dew on them--you might want to protect yours.




OK, thanks for the heads up. Any suggestions on what to use?





Not really sure--maybe you could try spraying the cap screws with sillicone.

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Special Ed]
      #2119859 - 01/14/08 02:08 PM

Would suggest switching to Stainless Steel hardware.

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Wes James]
      #2121337 - 01/15/08 01:15 AM

Has anyone found a good way to store and transport the paragon-plus and tripod- thinking about a bag of some kind- but i dont want the mount to scratch up my tripod.

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: edwardmatt83]
      #2121493 - 01/15/08 05:18 AM

Bags such as Orion makes for their telescopes- and use a seperate one for the tripod and mount???
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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Wes James]
      #2121559 - 01/15/08 07:47 AM

FYI,

Besides spraying with silicone, the product can be purchased in a gel form. The gel form can be "pressed on" to cover the hardware. I would advise changing to stainless, and, then, maybe, some silicone for good measure.

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: edwardmatt83]
      #2121651 - 01/15/08 08:59 AM

Quote:

Has anyone found a good way to store and transport the paragon-plus and tripod- thinking about a bag of some kind- but i dont want the mount to scratch up my tripod.




I had not thought about it much - probably due to relentless clouds keeping me from ever carrying it since I bought it before the holidays! But yeah, I used to have an Orion telescope bag for a large refractor that has a divider that separates it into two compartments. I think this is the one: Orion Case

I'm pretty sure they were offering the Paragon-Plus and XHD tripod with a case but I don't see that on their web site now. Maybe they are out of stock.

If you find a better solution could you post it here?

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Randy Cordell]
      #3355420 - 09/25/09 06:59 AM Attachment (12 downloads)

I know this is an old thread but I wanted to ask a question related to this thread.

I recently purchased an Orion Paragon Plus tripod with parallelogram mount for my 20 x 80 binocs. The Orion website and this thread say that an adapter is needed to mount these binocs to the mount. Attached is a picture of my binoculars attached to the mount. This is as I received it from Orion. I don't use the adapter. Is somethng wrong with the way mine are mounted? Where would such an adapter go? Why is it needed?

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: meteorite]
      #3356082 - 09/25/09 01:29 PM

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I don't use the adapter. Is somethng wrong with the way mine are mounted? Where would such an adapter go? Why is it needed?

Thanks

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THE FOLLOWING ITALICIZED PARAGRAPH IS WRONG. IN A RUSH, I PUT THE L ADAPTER ON BACKWARDS. Todd @ 6:56 PM


I read your post a little while ago and logged out. I put my Orion Paragon Plus L Adapter back onto my Paragon Plus Mount and attached my Celestron Skymaster 20x80. I don't see how this is at all useable. With all its weight upon the L Adapter, my Celestron Skymaster 20x80 was attached with the objective lenses toward the counterweight. With the L Adapter tilted all the way back, you're locked at one altitude. The only way to go is down.

You really need to get the Bottom-Mount Binocular Mount Adapter for the Paragon Plus. It simply replaces the L Adapter. You remove the two hexagonal bolts with a 5mm Allen wrench, remove the L Adapter and then attach the Bottom Mount Adapter and secure it with those two bolts. That's all there is to it.

The pictures of the L Adapter and Bottom Mount Adapter are about as clear as possible. The Bottom Mount Adapter attached to Paragon Plus Mount was a thoughtful touch for this review.

Here's a link to the Garrett Optical page for this adapter:

Bottom-Mount Binocular Mount Adapter for Paragon Plus

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Man in a Tub]
      #3356100 - 09/25/09 01:40 PM

Ignore this post!

Oh! I see what's going on. The L Adapter is attached in reverse. Let me go try that.

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Man in a Tub]
      #3356244 - 09/25/09 02:51 PM

WRONG! I WAS ACTUALLY PUTTING IT ON THE RIGHT WAY!

I reversed the Paragon Plus Mount L Adapter and mounted my Celestron Skymaster 20x80 again. First, I do not think that the L Adapter and bolts are designed to support this kind of weight. Orion certainly knows there are many weights when it comes to 20x80 binoculars. Two, take a look at your manual (it's page 4 in my copy) and note the distance between the model's head and the binocular eyepieces. With the Bottom Mount Adapter, a similar distance is maintained when using binoculars with a center rail mounting post. With the way I think you presently have your 20x80 binocular mounted, your head is very close to the end of the parallogram. At or near zenith, your chin is almost literally bumping into the end of the parallelogram. I really don't want to lose my teeth if the tension knobs loosen or fail.

That's about all I can say. Once again, look at the pictures in this thread and in your Paragon Plus Mount manual.

I hope you enjoy your new mount. It's considered "entry-level" — by those who either sell or buy those pretty darn expensive, real parallelogram mounts and hefty, hefty tripods.

Clear Skies!

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Todd

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Nikon Action EX 12x50 ° Oberwerk 15x60 and 20x80 Standard
Orion Paragon Plus Mount and Paragon XHD Tripod
Garrett Optical Series 2000 Grip-Action Monopod



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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Man in a Tub]
      #3356449 - 09/25/09 04:49 PM

You'll need the other bracket too Walter. The stock L-bracket with the Paragon is for binos that attach via female 1/4-20 threads at the objective end of the hinge.

Since I own several binos, I can say that the Paragon has been my single best bino-related purchase.

It adds to enjoyment of 7x50 and 10x50 and is best way to use 80mm.

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Jay_Bird]
      #3356736 - 09/25/09 07:50 PM

Hello Todd,

Thanks for the help

>the way back, you're locked at one altitude. The only way >to go is down

Not sure whst you mean. Loosening the altitude control knob, as demonstrated on page 4 figure 4, shows the binocular tilt angle changing. Mine does that.

BTW, the manual Orion sent me is a photocopy. Figures 5 and 6 on page 4 are terrible. i can't make anything out.

I attached my binoculars as per figure 4.

>It simply replaces the L

Ah. I did not know this. I don't recall reading that it replaced the adapter that came with the mount.

>The pictures of the L Adapter and Bottom Mount Adapter are >about as clear as possible

Which pictures?

>I hope you enjoy your new mount

It's great, even with the wrong adapter

Hello Jay Bird

I am really enjoying this set up. I have been using an Orion 130ST for wide field observing but no more. I was up this morning comparing the views aroudn M42 between the scope and the binoculrs and, although the FOV was similar, the view through the 20x80 was so much more "real." It seemed to have depth! It was incredible! As well, the double cluster looked as though I could reach out and touch it.

I looked for one of my favorite clusters, NGC 457 but did not see it. Oh well, I will try again tonight.

Thanks again to both of you for your help (and thanks to the OP). I will order the proper adapter.

-Walter

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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: meteorite]
      #3356815 - 09/25/09 08:48 PM

Hi again, Walter

This reply is corrected. Your reply about attaching your 20x80 to the L Adapter made me suddenly realize that I goofed!



My first experiment is a laugh! In a rush and without checking with one of my other binoculars, I put the L Adapter on backwards. I apologize. However, my thoughts about the second experiment with the L Adapter attached correctly are the same even though I thought it was on backwards!



Quote:

Quote:

The pictures of the L Adapter and Bottom Mount Adapter are about as clear as possible.




Which pictures?




On the first page of this thread, there are three pictures in Carl's post #2117652, 1/13/08 @ 11:42 AM.

The second picture is the Bottom Mount Adapter alone and the third picture shows the Bottom Mount Adapter attached. The third picture is preceded by the text:

Quote:

And this last image is of the above mentioned bracket #07589 mounted on the p-gram:




This is a much more stable, secure and safe way to mount your 20x80. I'm glad you're going to get the Bottom Mount Adapter.

BTW, you can download the manual in PDF format from Orion's website. I'm pretty sure of that because I have two copies of it.

I've had mine since November 2007. The first thing I observed with my Celestron Skymaster 20x80 mounted on the Orion Paragon Plus/Paragon XHD Tripod was Comet Holmes when it was almost at zenith. My next door neighbor and his son took a look too. And we're all different heights.

Clear Skies!

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Brunton Eterna 15x51 ° Garrett Optical Signature Series 15x70
Nikon Action EX 12x50 ° Oberwerk 15x60 and 20x80 Standard
Orion Paragon Plus Mount and Paragon XHD Tripod
Garrett Optical Series 2000 Grip-Action Monopod



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Re: Big Eyes and the Orion Paragon-Plus Bino Mount new [Re: Man in a Tub]
      #3360246 - 09/27/09 06:38 PM

Quote:



BTW, you can download the manual in PDF format from Orion's website. I'm pretty sure of that because I have two copies of it.




Here's a direct link to the PDF manual for the Orion Paragon Plus Mount and Paragon XHD Tripod:

Orion Paragon Plus Mount and Paragon XHD Tripod PDF

Sorry to hear they're only providing smudgy copies.

Best regards,

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Brunton Eterna 15x51 ° Garrett Optical Signature Series 15x70
Nikon Action EX 12x50 ° Oberwerk 15x60 and 20x80 Standard
Orion Paragon Plus Mount and Paragon XHD Tripod
Garrett Optical Series 2000 Grip-Action Monopod



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