Wes James
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Another option would be to cut down/grind down the sides of the adaptor in pic #2 so it would fit like the other narrower one- if that would work. Good luck, I hope you come up with a solution- that's one of the great things about this forum- there's a wealth of help and experience out there just for the asking!
Wes
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lalana
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Yeah Wes,your proposal from picture #2 is also a good one!! The other side of that adapter also holds a metallic-type washer that's held by those 3 screws that you can see,BUT,that could also be ground down,I suppose.Thanks for the suggestion,and as you say,this forum's got a wealth of info. that can be tapped into + help us out!!
ALL THE BEST,
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EdZ
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you have figured it out.
Furture reference,
link to manufacturers photos perfectly fine
copying manufacturers photos, no no
see Rules pinned at top of Binoc forum
thanks for understanding
edz
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Dis
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I have the exact same binocs and mount. I too ran into this problem when I first got this setup about a month or so ago. I was pretty irritated at first, but quickly came up with a solution. I solved the problem by removing the circular metal plate that is attached by three screws to the L-bracket and using a smaller washer from my Nikon binocular tripod adapter. This smaller washer fits between the rubber while keeping the binocs off the L-bracket, and it mates up perfectly with the L-bracket where the circular plate used to be. A thick plastic washer from the hardware store might work just as well as long as its diameter is small enough to fit between the rubber and thick enough to mate up properly.
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tom r.
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Hi David,
I just had to do the exact same thing with my Paragon mount. The "flat" adapter replaces the Paragon "L" bracket. You may then place that original Paragon "L" bracket away for safe keeping. Then place the narrower binocular "tripod" ready adapter onto the "flat" adapter. Ready to rock and roll!
Tom
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lalana
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No problem Edz...silly me + never gave copyright infringement any consideration,so will know for again to just post a link!! 
Thanks Dis,lucky for you that you had a Nikon bino adapter but it's not in my armoury however!!Your thick washer idea is not a bad alternative though,..take it you'd be just referring to sticking/attaching it on some way then,as I doubt I'd get a washer with such a 3-screw configuration???
With that in mind,I "might" go with this "Flat Adapter" option as it's the neater of the alternatives and would "seem" to be a failsafe solution!!! 
tom r.?????.......Do you yourself have the Orion 15*70 Resolux model or the Obie Ultra/Garret Optical etc... which I'm led to believe are all from the same "Batch" so to speak by this Chinese Kunming Company???
GREAT to hear that the 2 screw-holes on the flat adapter fit perfectly on to the head replacing the L-Bracket and I'm assuming?? that the screw-thread on this flat adapter fits into the base of my slimline adapter which is being held in my hand in this picture!!!
Speaking of rock 'n roll how have you guys been getting on using these size Bino's...I'm really looking forward to using mine and am enjoying reading the Books I've bought in anticipation of the pleasures to come 
TAKE CARE ALL,
DAVID......
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Randy Cordell
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I did not read this whole post thoroughly but I own the Paragon Plus and the L adapter you have. After I first got it I mounted a head off of a cheap, lightweight camera tripod that uses a 1/4"-20. I then put the "standard" L adapter on the shoe for that head and mounted my binoc there. I did this to get the other axes of movement and it was prior to receiving my binoculars. I actually have pictures of that posted somewhere on this site. I will try to find it and provide a link to that here.
Randy
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Meade StarFinder 10" F/4.7 Dob, Telrad, Craford, Fans
Bogen 3040 and 3050 Tripods with Orion Paragon-Plus Parallelogram or 3047 head
Oberwerk Mariner 7x50
Pentax PCF WP 8x40
Garrett Optical Gemini 15x70 WP-IF
Laptop running Kubuntu and Stellarium 0.9.1
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lalana
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 Cheers Randy + should be interesting to see your pictures!! I'm just going to calm down for a day or two and think of all my options first before acting! My Bino's,I've been told, are good-quality + will give me much to views/study for years to come so I'm not worried about waiting a bit and spending the extra $$$ to get the right solution
I'm also glad + will NOT TRY to squeeze this large L-Bracket into my bino's anymore,for as you can see from the 2nd picture in my post,it has begun to mark/indent the rubber on them....I suppose this could be seen as only aesthetic damage,but I don't like marking my nice new bino;s like this 
ALL THE BEST,
DAVID........
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Randy Cordell
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David,
I am so sorry. I completely forgot I have the Orion #07589 adapter which is what you need, or something similar. I see it is mentioned above so this is no news for you. Here is what I did though:
You could make one out of a hunk of metal and a 1/4-20 bolt (stainless steel) from the hardware store and a drill (and you wouldn't need the head at all).
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Randy Cordell
Meade StarFinder 10" F/4.7 Dob, Telrad, Craford, Fans
Bogen 3040 and 3050 Tripods with Orion Paragon-Plus Parallelogram or 3047 head
Oberwerk Mariner 7x50
Pentax PCF WP 8x40
Garrett Optical Gemini 15x70 WP-IF
Laptop running Kubuntu and Stellarium 0.9.1
Edited by Randy Cordell (05/09/08 09:52 PM)
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lalana
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Thanks anyway Randy,good to see what you did with your mount +as you say this #07589 adapter is what I'll be needing!!!
I see from your equipment info. that you have 7*50 Bino's....I should take note of this really and get something similar.The 4.4 degree TFOV on my bino's might be complimented well by a wider-view, hand-holdable set similar to the type-ones you have,
HAPPY HUNTING,
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Dis
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Thanks Dis,lucky for you that you had a Nikon bino adapter but it's not in my armoury however!!Your thick washer idea is not a bad alternative though,..take it you'd be just referring to sticking/attaching it on some way then,as I doubt I'd get a washer with such a 3-screw configuration???
DAVID......
Yea, the "washer" is not attached to the bracket directly, but the screw that goes into the bino's is threaded through the "washer" hole. The nice thing about the one from my Nikon adapter is that it has a rubber side that makes for a snug fit against the metal on the bino's and its center hole is threaded to fit match the screw. If you got one from the hardware store it would have to have a big enough hole to fit over the threads. Anyway, just an idea for ya...
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lalana
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Cheers Dis,will just have a quick look down this road/possibility before ordering from Orion,either ways...I'm a happier boynow than I was about 24 hours ago because this now seems to be a very fixable problem.....
DAVID......
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tom r.
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Hi David,
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tom r.?????.......Do you yourself have the Orion 15*70 Resolux model or the Obie Ultra/Garret Optical etc... which I'm led to believe are all from the same "Batch" so to speak by this Chinese Kunming Company???
GREAT to hear that the 2 screw-holes on the flat adapter fit perfectly on to the head replacing the L-Bracket and I'm assuming?? that the screw-thread on this flat adapter fits into the base of my slimline adapter which is being held in my hand in this picture!!!
Yes, you have it correct. I have the 10X50 Garrett Signature's. The flat adapter was the answer!
Tom
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Mr. Bill
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Here's my solution....drilled out the tapped 1/4-20 in the P-mount block and used the socket head bolt to secure the L adapter supplied with the binoculars. Works great!
Also note the copper washer between the L bracket and bino. This helped stop the rotational slop between them because the copper washer is deformable and allows both to "dig in."
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Mr. Bill
Oberwerk 100BT 45 degree + Hercules fork mount
15x70 AP binos + Paragon p-mount
120mm f/5 Orion achromat + Moonlite focuser
140mm f/5.7 Vixen NeoAchro Petzvel refractor
150mm f/6.5 Antares achromat
150mm f/8 "bent" homemade achromat
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10 inch f/4.7 Orion newt + Paracorr
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Mr. Bill
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Also replaced the nylon washers on the altitude axis with real Teflon....much improved movement....
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Mr. Bill
Oberwerk 100BT 45 degree + Hercules fork mount
15x70 AP binos + Paragon p-mount
120mm f/5 Orion achromat + Moonlite focuser
140mm f/5.7 Vixen NeoAchro Petzvel refractor
150mm f/6.5 Antares achromat
150mm f/8 "bent" homemade achromat
8 inch Orion newt with f/5 Swayze mirror
10 inch f/4.7 Orion newt + Paracorr
15 inch f/5 Discovery split tube
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Mr. Bill
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Also replaced the stock azimuth bearing with Teflon, both between tripod and head and washer and p-mount block. In other words, it takes both bearing surfaces to provide smooth motion.
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Mr. Bill
Oberwerk 100BT 45 degree + Hercules fork mount
15x70 AP binos + Paragon p-mount
120mm f/5 Orion achromat + Moonlite focuser
140mm f/5.7 Vixen NeoAchro Petzvel refractor
150mm f/6.5 Antares achromat
150mm f/8 "bent" homemade achromat
8 inch Orion newt with f/5 Swayze mirror
10 inch f/4.7 Orion newt + Paracorr
15 inch f/5 Discovery split tube
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Edited by Mr. Bill (05/10/08 05:18 PM)
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Mr. Bill
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Ready for action...
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Mr. Bill
Oberwerk 100BT 45 degree + Hercules fork mount
15x70 AP binos + Paragon p-mount
120mm f/5 Orion achromat + Moonlite focuser
140mm f/5.7 Vixen NeoAchro Petzvel refractor
150mm f/6.5 Antares achromat
150mm f/8 "bent" homemade achromat
8 inch Orion newt with f/5 Swayze mirror
10 inch f/4.7 Orion newt + Paracorr
15 inch f/5 Discovery split tube
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tom r.
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Hi Mr. Bill,
The hex nut on my az bearing loosens up all the time, no matter how I adust it. Too tight, and the az is locked, too loose, and the two disks start to come apart. Does your teflon bearings solve this problem?
Tom
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Mr. Bill
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Quote:
Hi Mr. Bill,
The hex nut on my az bearing loosens up all the time, no matter how I adust it. Too tight, and the az is locked, too loose, and the two disks start to come apart. Does your teflon bearings solve this problem?
Tom
Yup. I'm assuming you're using an aircraft nut.....
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Mr. Bill
Oberwerk 100BT 45 degree + Hercules fork mount
15x70 AP binos + Paragon p-mount
120mm f/5 Orion achromat + Moonlite focuser
140mm f/5.7 Vixen NeoAchro Petzvel refractor
150mm f/6.5 Antares achromat
150mm f/8 "bent" homemade achromat
8 inch Orion newt with f/5 Swayze mirror
10 inch f/4.7 Orion newt + Paracorr
15 inch f/5 Discovery split tube
Member IDA
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Wes James
Carpal Tunnel
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Posts: 2079
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The hex nut on my az bearing loosens up all the time, no matter how I adust it. Too tight, and the az is locked, too loose, and the two disks start to come apart.
Is there any way you can double-nut it? In other words, get it to the tension you want, then holding that nut with a wrench, snug another one up against it? "Double-nutting" is a very effective way of locking a nut into position.
Wes
BTW... Mr. Bill- your mountains are beautiful...
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